Pita To Be Given Second Chance For PM: Wan Noor

[NoshowJones]

5 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Understood.

 

So I would question them that this also means no law can ever be reformed? Or only some laws can be reformed? That would be challenging to defend.

 

It's kind of silly though because reforms would not pass the National Assembly, given the lack of a majority.

 

A lot of moving pieces. The EC could void Pita (slim, but not none) before July 13. Anutin will be nominated, and he could easily win (188+250). I think Prawit is sidelined given his new nickname with the public "Sleepy", although he is the sentimental choice and it would be payback for his loyalty.

 

Failing on a first vote means a second vote would fail as well, I can't see what might change between the two votes. Senators will not cave to protests, IMO. I guess Srettha would be nominated after a failed first vote? But I'm not sure he'll get enough Senate votes?

 

I think a better plan for the powers that be would be to let Pita become PM, but then chip away at him and his coalition hourly, making it impossible for them to accomplish anything. Then bring a EC or CC case or three. And the CC could just force him from office like they did with Yingluck, citing some obscure legal "precedent".

 

 

Yes, and then certain soldiers will be moving back to parliament probably led by Cha Cha and sleepyhead.

[h90]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

I started my career in Saudi Arabia and also did almost eight years in mainland China pre- Tienanmen whereupon I quit to go work in pre- Kuwait invasion Iraq.

 

You cannot sell me on the benefits of socialism, despots or cults of personality.

 

Having said that, one of the upsides of Saddam's reign was being able to freely buy and consume pork products, imported beers and dine, swim and play cricket at the British Embassy and party with the Irish nurses in Block 13 in the evenings. TBH, I was a bit miffed when Desert Storm kicked off.

I am no fans of socialism or despots. My point is only that sometimes non democratic governments can be good and some times democratic can be bad...

Friend of mine worked in Libya and it was OK there...some things for the people were great...Gaddafi dictator...than came democratic France and USA and made hellhole out of it.

[wealthychef]

48 minutes ago, John Drake said:

It does begin to look as if Pita has been thoroughly outmaneuvered. 

It's not hard when those doing the maneuvers do so at the point of a gun and write and interpret the rules to boot.  This reminds me of the US's Democratic Party primaries:  there, you can vote all you want, but the Party chooses the candidate in the end using loopholes in the rules which they are continually tightening to avoid any competition. 

[PETERTHEEATER]

6 hours ago, Artisi said:

Wouldn't they? 

To the establishment, PITA is an acronym.

[bannork]

19 minutes ago, h90 said:

I said 28% of the people voted for MFP....38% and 25% didn't vote for anyone....only 75% went to the election.

Makes about 28%...so not all Thailand only wants Pita...

But far far less want any other party barring PT 

[Surasak]

7 hours ago, EastBayRay said:

Surely they wouldn’t be stupid enough to deny Pita the chance to be PM?

I would say, 'Do you want to bet', but gambling is illegal at present!

[Puccini]

6 hours ago, jvs said:

Negotiation is the word.

Incentivisation

[hitext]

I saw outgoing PM Prayut polishing the gun turret on his tank.

 

The old guard are not out of options yet...

[spidermike007]

6 hours ago, jvs said:

The old style government people are scared to death.

They will finally have to defend what they have been doing in the past.

The courts will be very busy and a lot of people will be moving out of the country along with suitcases full of money.

Believe me,for the past two months the former pm has been like a duck in the water.Not much movement on the surface but peddle like crazy under water what can not be seen.

Go Pita Go get them!

Yes. Exactly. It is likely many, many billions are already in overseas accounts. The extent to which the filthy army controlled administration has fleeced the Thai nation many not be known for some time. And it is likely not many Thais assume this happened. It could be on an F. Marcos level. Prayuth, Prawit and Co. have been anything but honest and noble. 

 

Yes, Cha Cha. Goodbye and good riddens. We hope you face charges some day for your crimes. 

 

 

 

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

To the establishment, PITA is an acronym.

A threat more to the point.... 

[zzaa09]

3 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

Yes, and then certain soldiers will be moving back to parliament probably led by Cha Cha and sleepyhead.

Yep. In time.....

Some more insightful folks could tell ya that this smutty circle won't be away for long. 

This is what happens when we allow crooks to run free - they eventually make their way back into the fold.

[bannork]

9 hours ago, h90 said:

should should...they won't care. And sure PTP has already the alternative ready and so it will be equal democratic.

What's the alternative for PT?

[zzaa09]

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

What's the alternative for PT?

Thaksin waiting in the wings?

[khaowong1]

11 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Each Senator will have to decide that they want to deny the will of the people.

 

~ 313 from 500 is an electoral mandate which cannot be ignored, or rejected by unelected "Senators", because they don't like some platform issues they ran on, and were elected for.

 

When/if Senators reject Pita as PM, two or more times, then they should each publicly justify their decision.

 

 

 

 

When have these Senators ever cared about the Will of the People?  

[MrJ2U]

13 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Come the second vote, will they dare deny him?

Probably.

 

Previous protests have never dampened the greed and contempt this Junta has.

 

The Junta has the 250 senators on its side, each hand picked senator makes upwards of 120,000 baht a month not including bribes and dail allowance (10,000 baht).  Nobody is going to forfiet that for democrac

 

Money is on the old gaurd.

 

Pita getting kicked out because of his " media" shares.

 

Protests for a few weeks with daily arrests until things peter out. 

[KhaoNiaw]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

What's the alternative for PT?

Pita can't get the votes to become PM.

PT given the chance, but first say they will keep Move Forward in their government line up.

Senators not voting for the PT candidate for PM because they still have MF in their government.

PT saying that to get around this, they won't have MF in their government and form a new coalition with Palang Pracharath, Bhumjaithai etc. 
Prawit becomes PM.  

Thaksin returns to Thailand.

Edited July 5, 2023 by KhaoNiaw

[traveller101]

8 hours ago, h90 said:

Well that are not politician in that sense....and there is not much money to be made as senator.

But that it is a bad solution to appoint them is agreed already....

 

Look at China, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia....they all don't have elected governments but do well. Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia....elected Socialists.
Hitler was elected and in a coalition...sure his voter would have been angry if there would have been an unelected senate that blocked him.

My point is...it is not all black and white: elected wonderful and great; not elected: evil.....

Usually democracy works better but there are also a lot exceptions....

"Do well" in what respect? Do well for who?

"Usually democracy works better but there are a lot of exceptions"

"Works better" in what respect? For who?

[bannork]

10 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

Pita can't get the votes to become PM.

PT given the chance, but first say they will keep Move Forward in their government line up.

Senators not voting for the PT candidate for PM because they still have MF in their government.

PT saying that to get around this, they won't have MF in their government and form a new coalition with Palang Pracharath, Bhumjaithai etc. 
Prawit becomes PM.  

Thaksin returns to Thailand.

The problem with that is it will shatter PT's promise to have nothing to do with Pravit or Prayuth. 

And whilst the senators may reject Pita on the 112 reform vow, they have no reason to reject Settha 

MF could stick with PT despite losing the premiership.

An extreme measure could see the Constitutional Court dissolving MF, but even then the MPs have 60 days to find a new party, as MF did from FF.

[zzaa09]

42 minutes ago, khaowong1 said:

When have these Senators ever cared about the Will of the People?  

Most certainly applies to the appointed [not elected] variety.

Whatta scam.

[KhaoNiaw]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

The problem with that is it will shatter PT's promise to have nothing to do with Pravit or Prayuth. 

And whilst the senators may reject Pita on the 112 reform vow, they have no reason to reject Settha 

MF could stick with PT despite losing the premiership.

An extreme measure could see the Constitutional Court dissolving MF, but even then the MPs have 60 days to find a new party, as MF did from FF.

Well, they have made that promise. But that could be tested by how determined they are to get Thaksin back and he is to come back. Agreed that Settha could pass as PM. But if there is a game going on in the background, it could be that the senate doesn't vote to accept him with MF in a coalition. Without MF, it could be that Settha gets the vote and Prawit is happy with some other position. Any scenario like this will have been worked out well ahead not simply a reaction to events as they unfold. The best thing would be for Pita to win the vote or else an even stronger advantage goes to PT. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by KhaoNiaw

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, MrJ2U said:

Probably.

 

Previous protests have never dampened the greed and contempt this Junta has.

 

The Junta has the 250 senators on its side, each hand picked senator makes upwards of 120,000 baht a month not including bribes and dail allowance (10,000 baht).  Nobody is going to forfiet that for democrac

 

Money is on the old gaurd.

 

Pita getting kicked out because of his " media" shares.

 

Protests for a few weeks with daily arrests until things peter out. 

This time…….., it’s different. ????

 

The old guards only choice is to lose with violence or lose without violence.

 

I think the Senators are less concerned about loss of salary and perks and more concerned about avoiding jail under a democratic government.

 

[zzaa09]

13 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

This time…….., it’s different. ????

 

The old guards only choice is to lose with violence or lose without violence.

 

I think the Senators are less concerned about loss of salary and perks and more concerned about avoiding jail under a democratic government.

 

Democratic Government.

When was this?

Or.....will it ever be?

 

Really. 

[bannork]

4 hours ago, KhaoNiaw said:

Well, they have made that promise. But that could be tested by how determined they are to get Thaksin back and he is to come back. Agreed that Settha could pass as PM. But if there is a game going on in the background, it could be that the senate doesn't vote to accept him with MF in a coalition. Without MF, it could be that Settha gets the vote and Prawit is happy with some other position. Any scenario like this will have been worked out well ahead not simply a reaction to events as they unfold. The best thing would be for Pita to win the vote or else an even stronger advantage goes to PT. 

Yes, the volatile senator, Kittisak Rattanawara, has already announced he would vote for a PT candidate if they dropped MF 

Trouble is in February he said he wouldn't vote for a PT candidate because Thaksin's daughter was immature!

It's said some senators are under pressure from their own offspring to follow democratic principles and vote for Pita.

A plan to ' force ' PT to dump MF to form a government will cause public outrage and irritrievably damage PT's image as a democracy loving party.

Does Thaksin really want to come back amid protests and boos?

[MrMojoRisin]

6 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

Democratic Government.

When was this?

Or.....will it ever be?

 

Really. 

Wheels are in motion.
In a matter of days or weeks - it will be.

[sabai-dee-man]

20 hours ago, EastBayRay said:

Surely they wouldn’t be stupid enough to deny Pita the chance to be PM?

I was just about to post something... then I saw the badge over your name. ????

[Zack61]

250 senators is a ridiculous number. How many senators does it take to review legislation? It is definitely a number designed to keep control of the parliament. 
One elected from each Province would make good sense moving forward. (MF)

Edited July 5, 2023 by Zack61

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Wheels are in motion.
In a matter of days or weeks - it will be.

I would like to think so, but I really expect that the wheels will come off!

[herfiehandbag]

17 hours ago, John Drake said:

Pretty much the definition of a motley crew, seems to me.

Nice haircut in the front row. I wonder which bit of the "people" he is from!

[zzaa09]

4 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Wheels are in motion.
In a matter of days or weeks - it will be.

But......how democratic? 

As long as we have in place a patronage-run systems and related laws/policies things will never be a state of democracy. 

 

Always baffling to witness those who think that such a free and independent state can exist under these archaic designs of rule. 

[MrMojoRisin]

2 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

But......how democratic? 

As long as we have in place a patronage-run systems and related laws/policies things will never be a state of democracy. 

 

Always baffling to witness those who think that such a free and independent state can exist under these archaic designs of rule. 

How democratic?

Well, more democratic than before.

And after 4 years of a MF government, it will be more democratic than now.

Step by step, just keep moving in the right direction.

Always baffling to witness those who think change is impossible, that demographics aren’t changing and what was will always be.