RFK Jr. accused of antisemitism, racism after remarks about COVID, Ashkenazi Jews

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45 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

I think you'll find that it was HR Clinton who started the Russia Russia Russia thing. If anything it is you who is saying that in relation to RFK. Accusing him of being a Kremlin troll! Without any real proof. 

 

It's just a way to avoid the real issues. At some stage someone has to deal with the issues. Rather than Blame Russia or China for the failure that is American politics. 

I think you'll find that among others, it was a Senate Committee headed by Republicans that reported strong evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 elections. Including,, but not limited to the fact that Paul Manafort passed along campaign information to an agent of a Russian oligarch who had previously been judged to be a Russian intelligence agent.

[CharlieKo]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Agree to disagree. 

https://www.nationalmemo.com/kremlin-2656987132

Kremlin-Style Propaganda Now Defines The Republican Party

The journalist is anti right, He is sadly or not, no longer living. I could suggest It's an opinion piece at best. If not a pro Dem hit piece against the Republicans. 

 

Agree to disagree. 

 

I will just say, The whole Russia Russia thing is a great way to avoid dealing with the issues that effect the USA. It seems being anti Russia is more important than the issues.  

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[Tug]

19 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

The journalist is anti right, He is sadly or not, no longer living. I could suggest It's an opinion piece at best. If not a pro Dem hit piece against the Republicans. 

 

Agree to disagree. 

 

I will just say, The whole Russia Russia thing is a great way to avoid dealing with the issues that effect the USA. It seems being anti Russia is more important than the issues.  

That’s the republicans problem they DONT deal with any issues that affect my country they only try to manufacture outrage over minor issues against easily attacked minorities 

[Jingthing]

36 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

The journalist is anti right, He is sadly or not, no longer living. I could suggest It's an opinion piece at best. If not a pro Dem hit piece against the Republicans. 

 

Agree to disagree. 

 

I will just say, The whole Russia Russia thing is a great way to avoid dealing with the issues that effect the USA. It seems being anti Russia is more important than the issues.  

The Ukraine Russia war is a major election issue.

[rudi49jr]

3 hours ago, CharlieKo said:

Just asking, do you have a link for your assertion of being a Kremlin troll. Or is this just a theory of yours. Is not American politics messed up enough. Does the kremlin really need to interfere in what will be another mess for Americans. 

Of course the Kremlin will (try to) meddle and interfere and do whatever they can to fan the division, because that is in their best interest. Jevgeni Prigozhin, not just the Wagner boss but also the proprietor of a very busy troll farm and possibly several, admitted they had meddled in US elections and will continue to do so.
But they must be laughing their @ss off in the Kremlin, seeing as how many useful idiots they have already in the good ol’ US of A, doing their job for them, tearing the country apart, sowing division and hatred. 

[CharlieKo]

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

But they must be laughing their @ss off in the Kremlin, seeing as how many useful idiots they have already in the good ol’ US of A, doing their job for them, tearing the country apart, sowing division and hatred.

It's the divide and rule concept. While citizens argue with each other politicians can get away with what they want. However did the kremlin really influence the vote that these useful idiots got elected? Or Politicians blaming Russia to cover what they do? 

 

Probably opening a can of worms here, But can the Kremlin really influence the vote to such a degree that they get the president they want in the white house? 

 

  

[CharlieKo]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The Ukraine Russia war is a major election issue.

It's a major issue in UK and Europe also. But the UK and  Europe seem to be committing suicide, the sanctions right or wrong have more of an effect domestically than it seems to effect Russia. 

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21 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

It's a major issue in UK and Europe also. But the UK and  Europe seem to be committing suicide, the sanctions right or wrong have more of an effect domestically than it seems to effect Russia. 

Really?

5 stats show how Russia’s economy is withering

• Russia's economy has deteriorated since Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
• Its current-account balance has crashed, the ruble is weakening, and it's status as an energy superpower has crumbled.
• At the same time, Russia's domestic consumption and production are low. 

https://businessinsider.mx/russia-economy-crash-ruble-imports-account-finance-putin-moscow-ukraine-2023-7/

 

Russia's own economic figures show a steep drop in industrial output amid a record labor shortage

• Russian industrial production fell 5% in April from the prior month, according to the economy ministry.

• That comes amid a historic labor shortage, and the unemployment rate hit a record low of 3.3%.

• Russia's war on Ukraine has set off a mass exodus of workers and the mobilization of 300,000 troops.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russias-own-economic-figures-show-041233574.html

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[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, CharlieKo said:

It's the divide and rule concept. While citizens argue with each other politicians can get away with what they want. However did the kremlin really influence the vote that these useful idiots got elected? Or Politicians blaming Russia to cover what they do? 

 

Probably opening a can of worms here, But can the Kremlin really influence the vote to such a degree that they get the president they want in the white house? 

 

  

Potentially yes when it's close and in the US it's been very close.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, CharlieKo said:

It's a major issue in UK and Europe also. But the UK and  Europe seem to be committing suicide, the sanctions right or wrong have more of an effect domestically than it seems to effect Russia. 

Sounds like you've been influenced by Kremlin propaganda. 

 

Putin's biggest chance is to last until the US election with Trump winning. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Jingthing

[bamnutsak]

17 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

News flash, there are US labs in Ukraine. 

Russian disinformation. Picked up and pushed by QAnon, and you, of course.

 

 

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the U.S. far right

 

It was a lurid and difficult to believe claim: that Ukraine was developing biological weapons with the assistance of the U.S. government. In fact, U.S. assistance to Ukrainian biological labs has been targeted at strengthening public health measures. Both the U.S. and Ukraine have also signed a treaty vowing never to produce or use biological weapons.

 

But unlike most Russian efforts to spread false narratives justifying its invasion of Ukraine, this one found a receptive audience in the United States among far-right social media channels, Fox News and followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1087910880/biological-weapons-far-right-russia-ukraine

 

 

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[novacova]

14 hours ago, placeholder said:

I notice at least one ignorant remark regard hate crime law. Yours. It's not about what is said during the commission of a crime. The Federal hate crime law is not even a law against speech. It's a law against  a crimes motivated by specified kinds of  bigotry. Speech may be evidence about motivation, but in itself is not a crime under these laws.

And thanks for your ridiculous over-the-top generalizations. 

 

Thanks for the over wordy erroneous convoluted nonsensical and defensive response ????????????. Obviously you don’t understand the laws or you search the internet to find support for your errors, as in everything you reiterate on the forum. 

“The Supreme Court decision in Snyder v Phelps provides an example of legal reasoning. Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, hate speech can only be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group.”
Playing word games and hiding behind semantics just goes to show how narrow minded one is, though your motivation is inspired by your prejudice and intolerance of other perspectives that you persist to decimate on the forum.  

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

31 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Russian disinformation. Picked up and pushed by QAnon, and you, of course.

 

 

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the U.S. far right

 

It was a lurid and difficult to believe claim: that Ukraine was developing biological weapons with the assistance of the U.S. government. In fact, U.S. assistance to Ukrainian biological labs has been targeted at strengthening public health measures. Both the U.S. and Ukraine have also signed a treaty vowing never to produce or use biological weapons.

 

But unlike most Russian efforts to spread false narratives justifying its invasion of Ukraine, this one found a receptive audience in the United States among far-right social media channels, Fox News and followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1087910880/biological-weapons-far-right-russia-ukraine

 

 

This is where the word salad begins. Ukraine has US backed bio labs. And you say bio weapons labs in Ukraine is a conspiracy story. You add a word and yell QAnon 

[EVENKEEL]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

He offered an unfounded claim that the Covid vaccine had less effect on the Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews without offering any scientific evidence. If such a comment wasn't malignant, it should otherwise be classified as overwhelmingly stupid.

He's a threat to biden now, so we'll see more of these stories.

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13 minutes ago, novacova said:

Thanks for the over wordy erroneous convoluted nonsensical and defensive response ????????????. Obviously you don’t understand the laws or you search the internet to find support for your errors, as in everything you reiterate on the forum. 

“The Supreme Court decision in Snyder v Phelps provides an example of legal reasoning. Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, hate speech can only be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group.”
Playing word games and hiding behind semantics just goes to show how narrow minded one is, though your motivation is inspired by your prejudice and intolerance of other perspectives that you persist to decimate on the forum.  

 

 

The case you cite is a civil one that has nothing to do with laws directed at hate speech. In that case the plaintiffs sued the Westboro Baptist Church on the grounds of emotional distress caused by church members' hateful speech when they were demonstrating near the funeral of a gay Marine. My original question was to ask what laws are there that ban hate speech. That was in response to a claim from a member who claimed that there were.

 

[bamnutsak]

RFK Jrs. own words (at the dinner table): "...that's what all those labs in Ukraine are about, they're collecting Russian DNA, they're collecting Chinese DNA, so we can target people by race".

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-targeted-to-spare-jews/

 

From TASS Russian News Agency

 

Robert Kennedy Jr. Acknowledges US has biolabs in Ukraine

 

NEW YORK, June 6. /TASS/. US presidential hopeful Robert Kennedy Jr. has acknowledged that the US has biolabs in Ukraine.

 

In a conversation with US businessman Elon Musk that was webcast on Twitter, Kennedy Jr. said US laboratories are located all around the world, including Ukraine, and are developing all kinds of biological weapons.

 

https://tass.com/society/1628133

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

He's a threat to biden now, so we'll see more of these stories.

Possibly there will be more of these TRUE stories. I certainly wouldn't put it past Kennedy to indulge his penchant for making nasty and false claims. His viability as a Democratic Presidential contender is a rightwing wet dream. How does a vaccine conspiracy theorist, and an absolutist supporter of the 2nd Amendment, pose a serious threat as a candidate?

[bamnutsak]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Possibly there will be more of these TRUE stories. I certainly wouldn't put it past Kennedy to indulge his penchant for making nasty and false claims.

I strongly support RFK Jr's right to share his opinions on any subject. 

 

More RFK Jr., every day.

 

 

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[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

He's a threat to biden now, so we'll see more of these stories.

He is a threat if he runs third party aa far as tipping a win to Trump.. He's no threat to Biden's democratic party nomination.

[CharlieKo]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sounds like you've been influenced by Kremlin propaganda. 

 

Putin's biggest chance is to last until the US election with Trump winning. 

I could say the same thing. The idea That the west doesn't do propaganda is a joke. We might know the truth when the fighting is over.

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[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

I could say the same thing. The idea That the west doesn't do propaganda is a joke. We might know the truth when the fighting is over.

Deflection. 

[CharlieKo]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Deflection. 

indeed. Not saying Russia doesn't use propaganda. But so does the west. We don't really hear how the fighting is really going. We hear of bridges being attacked or tanks being destroyed. But no real news of Ukrainian progress in retaking territory. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

indeed. Not saying Russia doesn't use propaganda. But so does the west. We don't really hear how the fighting is really going. We hear of bridges being attacked or tanks being destroyed. But no real news of Ukrainian progress in retaking territory. 

 

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. There is plenty of news. We know for a fact that things have been slow for Ukraine and that they under political pressue even though the west hasn't supplied them well enough to get more dramatic results with the fear being the west will lose it's resolve and Putin's poodle Trump will gain power again and cut them off. I'm really at a loss about what your actual agenda is here, but when you accused me of being a Trumpist, that's a strong indication of extreme insincerity and game playing.

If Russia ends of winning and anything is possible, that doesn't mean that the Ukrainians aren't right to resist their genocidal brutality.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Jingthing

[stevenl]

12 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

indeed. Not saying Russia doesn't use propaganda. But so does the west. We don't really hear how the fighting is really going. We hear of bridges being attacked or tanks being destroyed. But no real news of Ukrainian progress in retaking territory. 

Plenty of news on what exactly is happening.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Plenty of news on what exactly is happening.

Absolutely and it's not hard to find it. Even Russians with a VPN can find it if they want to find it. 

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, novacova said:

Thanks for the over wordy erroneous convoluted nonsensical and defensive response ????????????. Obviously you don’t understand the laws or you search the internet to find support for your errors, as in everything you reiterate on the forum. 

“The Supreme Court decision in Snyder v Phelps provides an example of legal reasoning. Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, hate speech can only be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group.”
Playing word games and hiding behind semantics just goes to show how narrow minded one is, though your motivation is inspired by your prejudice and intolerance of other perspectives that you persist to decimate on the forum.  

 

 

So you're in favor of it being that way? I believe racists are scum.

Edited July 19, 2023 by ozimoron