Pita and his “devil may care” attitude

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Each citizen who voted for a candidate from each one of the coalition parties voted for the same thing: change from the loyalist, royalist, military hegemony. The post-election coalition, by the definition of it's own mandate, is still a collective call for that change. No need to go back to the polls. None whatsoever.

Think it's only MFP suggesting a change to the royalty.

[BangkokReady]

18 hours ago, marquess said:

Let him fail in his task, if he were really concerned about improving this country rather than following a woke globalist agenda; he would stick to amending the general libel laws. Too many citizens of this country are stiffled from speaking out when they see  corruption and genearl malpractise.

This change coupled with a reform of the judiciary and the police would result in an organic change in this country that would prove to be unstoppable. Going about like a bull in China shop will rightly exclude him from the P.M position. 

Quite. Baby steps and luck are what cause a country to change. That or bloody revolutions.

 

What Pita has done is very noble, but he could probably have achieved far more by not setting his sights on those who control the country.

 

What happens now will probably be a few protests, some water cannon, some arrests, then back to normal.

 

We'll have to see what the comes.

[NanLaew]

18 hours ago, keithkarmann said:

Seems like a good plan to me. Urge some popular person to put himself forward. Get most of the votes knowing that he can be brought down easily with his share ownership. Then ease someone less popular into the top job.

Sounds like the Prawit Plan to me. Let the young and the guileless do all the heavy lifting, then wander in and assume the position just before nap time.

[NanLaew]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Think it's only MFP suggesting a change to the royalty.

But the MFP are not suggesting "a change to the royalty."

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

But the MFP are not suggesting "a change to the royalty."

Sorry, I don't really care that much.

 

[khunPer]

4 hours ago, HaoleBoy said:

MFP / Pitha got 38% and then formed a coalition.

151 seats out of 500 = 30.2%.

24,104,284 votes, as 14,438,851 party list = 38.01% and 9,665,433 constituency = 25.40%.

[NanLaew]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

But the MFP are not suggesting "a change to the royalty."

Sorry, I don't really care that much.

Yes, only three posts, just window shopping.

[connda]

"In a storm the mighty oak tree breaks and cracks, but the supple sapling bends and bounces back."

Unfortunately for Pita, if his stance remains rigid like "the mighty oak?"  Well......

The young Pita should emulate the supple sapling in his affairs.  If he does, perhaps he will weather the storm.



 

Edited July 20, 2023 by connda

[CartagenaWarlock]

On 7/19/2023 at 2:24 AM, scorecard said:

Yes, but changing the constitution/laws from appointing senators to electing senators is very very difficult, and the current powers (still in place) won't relinquish these powers easily.

Does his platform advocates for electing senators?  They can still elect senators but senators from all factions of societies should be elected by a council under the king and appointed by the king. Instead of all senators from military, they should limit how many members from the military should be elected. Maybe 50% give to military and other 50% from prominent organizations, political parties, civil institutions, etc. Senators need not be elected, they can still be selected. Political reforms should happen in small steps, instead of uprooting the the current convention. It took almost one and half century for the transition of selection to election of US senators. 

Edited July 20, 2023 by CartagenaWarlock

[Rhys]

Surprising... he did not play ball, and then just call the game off.  The objective was to get in first, then play with the rest of the gamesmanship of Thai Politics...  Sad but true.. strong and wrong rather that weak and right.. Always forward mate.

 

[billd766]

On 7/19/2023 at 9:43 AM, mfd101 said:

A little too much confidence & too little experience.

 

By next May they should be ready for government.

Please tell me what experience is necessary for government, because the current caretaker coup government have had 9 years, and don't appear to have learned anything in that time.

[zzaa09]

There won't be a "next May".

How innocent. 

[billd766]

On 7/19/2023 at 11:51 AM, Robin said:

An experienced politician would have known that his policy on sect 112 was going to cause trouble with the  Senate, and kept quiet on that until he was installed in power,

Inexperience and overconfidence are not good qualities for  new PM.

quote "Inexperience and overconfidence are not good qualities for  new PM."

 

It didn't/hasn't stopped Prayuth nor any other coup general.

[billd766]

11 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Well he got caught with 40,000 shares in his pocket he should not have had......could he have done something about that before the elections?

Really?

 

Do you think that he personally owned the shares in a defunct company? Or was it because he was appointed as the executor of his fathers will and therefore didn't actually own the shares at all?

[billd766]

57 minutes ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

Does his platform advocates for electing senators?  They can still elect senators but senators from all factions of societies should be elected by a council under the king and appointed by the king. Instead of all senators from military, they should limit how many members from the military should be elected. Maybe 50% give to military and other 50% from prominent organizations, political parties, civil institutions, etc. Senators need not be elected, they can still be selected. Political reforms should happen in small steps, instead of uprooting the the current convention. It took almost one and half century for the transition of selection to election of US senators. 

All senators should be elected by the Thai people at an election and NO positions should go to the military, police, religious body or civil service.

[mfd101]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Please tell me what experience is necessary for government, because the current caretaker coup government have had 9 years, and don't appear to have learned anything in that time.

Capacity to manoeuvre between contending forces and, often, between equally valid but incompatible principles or policies [eg what The People want - lower taxes + more government expenditure on pet projects - vs what is actually doable or what the elected government judges is appropriate or the most urgent].

[mfd101]

44 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Really?

 

Do you think that he personally owned the shares in a defunct company? Or was it because he was appointed as the executor of his fathers will and therefore didn't actually own the shares at all?

And what's more he was unable to offload the shares because (1) the company being defunct noone would buy them, and (2) the company shell is in longterm litigation against a government organ and the litigation is frozen, without resolution.

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Capacity to manoeuvre between contending forces and, often, between equally valid but incompatible principles or policies [eg what The People want - lower taxes + more government expenditure on pet projects - vs what is actually doable or what the elected government judges is appropriate or the most urgent].

quote "what the elected government judges is appropriate or the most urgent".

 

NOT what some bloated overpaid senators and coup generals want.

[zzaa09]

37 minutes ago, billd766 said:

quote "what the elected government judges is appropriate or the most urgent".

 

NOT what some bloated overpaid senators and coup generals want.

Not here....

[billd766]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

Not here....

Why not?

[jacko45k]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

Really?

 

Do you think that he personally owned the shares in a defunct company? Or was it because he was appointed as the executor of his fathers will and therefore didn't actually own the shares at all?

No I don't... got a source for that or just lip flapping?

If his father left them to him, yes he owned them... it seems to have been enough to get him suspended as an MP! Quite easily it would appear.....

[NanLaew]

15 hours ago, CartagenaWarlock said:

Does his platform advocates for electing senators?  They can still elect senators but senators from all factions of societies should be elected by a council under the king and appointed by the king. Instead of all senators from military, they should limit how many members from the military should be elected. Maybe 50% give to military and other 50% from prominent organizations, political parties, civil institutions, etc. Senators need not be elected, they can still be selected. Political reforms should happen in small steps, instead of uprooting the the current convention. It took almost one and half century for the transition of selection to election of US senators. 

Let's not allow the US's unsteady march towards their sort of democracy be any sort of template that Thailand should adhere to.

 

Beyond the bit where they kicked out their colonial overlords I mean.

[NanLaew]

12 hours ago, billd766 said:

13 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

Not here....

Why not?

OK, maybe not yet? They've haven't gotten used to not having the fatherly hand-holding of IX yet, so it needs at least one more generation to work out for themselves why they don't really need to put up with this medieval crap.

[billd766]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

No I don't... got a source for that or just lip flapping?

If his father left them to him, yes he owned them... it seems to have been enough to get him suspended as an MP! Quite easily it would appear.....

There is that word again.

 

IF  

 

Did his father leave them to Pita personally, or to the executor of the fathers will.

 

Everything I have read about it says they were to be held by the executor until the probate was complete.

 

His father could have chosen anybody as the executor,but whoever was chosen would not own the shares. They would have been allocated after probate.

 

Do you know something different? If so, what?

[cleopatra2]

43 minutes ago, billd766 said:

There is that word again.

 

IF  

 

Did his father leave them to Pita personally, or to the executor of the fathers will.

 

Everything I have read about it says they were to be held by the executor until the probate was complete.

 

His father could have chosen anybody as the executor,but whoever was chosen would not own the shares. They would have been allocated after probate.

 

Do you know something different? If so, what?

Ok I understand that Pita could as executor be holding the shares.

However this raises the question why did Pita continue to hold the shares as executor untill after the election. 

Under Thai inheritance laws Pita would be the owner of at least part of the shares if no will left to state otherwise.

 

I do not know all the details but am leaning towards that Pita was the true owner of the shares. 

[jacko45k]

55 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Everything I have read about it says they were to be held by the executor until the probate was complete

I would expect them to be held in probate.... executors don't get to hold the cash while probate is underway... legal representation would hold them.

He has been pushed to one side all too easily. Perhaps he was not the man for the job anyhow. Sad, I hoped for a fresh young replacement, not more toady old school cronies.......

 

[SiSePuede419]

Devil may care?  Actions?  What actions?

 

Is refusing to change an "action "?

 

No, my 3 year old stealing my water bottle last night in the park and riding off with it on his tricycle, laughing all the way is "Devil may care".

 

Confucius say...

 

Refusing to change based on someone else's opinion is integrity.

 

Refusing to change based on the facts is stubbornness. ????

Edited July 25, 2023 by SiSePuede419