'Big Joke' Targets 'Outlaws' Gang Leaders in Pattaya

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

So they take his Harley before they even go to court and before they even have a trial

Potentially, it's evidence if the owner is suspected of involvement in the murder.  But, even if he isn't involved, he's going to have no use for it as a deportee.

Edited July 22, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Quite, if they go to trial and get found not guilty, do they get the bike back?

He's being deported, what does it matter?

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Sydebolle said:

Wichian Klanprasert, a Thai police officer, got killed on 3 September 2012 allegedly by Vorayuth "Boss" Yoovidhya, grandson of billionaire Red Bull co-founder in a hit-and-run incident in Bangkok. The whole world knows, where this sweetheart of Thailand's future ran into hiding, Associated Press even got him in front of camera and microphone. The only ones dragging their feet BIIIIIIIG time are the very same BiB. 

And what do you think the RTP can do when their person of interest is located out of their jurisdiction, i.e. not in Thailand?

[swerve]

Hopefully Big Joke gets rid of a lot more bikers.  I can't understand why the Thais tolerate foreign criminal biker gangs.

[sherwood]

32 minutes ago, swerve said:

Hopefully Big Joke gets rid of a lot more bikers.  I can't understand why the Thais tolerate foreign criminal biker gangs.

I don't like these scumbags either but the Thais tolerate them because they pay their dues.

[geisha]

13 hours ago, gomangosteen said:

Names and nationalities

 

Mr Thomas - refers to Thomas Ginner (or Ginsner as Thai media report)

And Thomas Ginner/Ginsner is reported as being Austrian (note this has been changed twice to Australian in previous posts - there is a difference). 

Not in Thailand ! I heard a Thai lady mentioning to the owner of an Austrian restaurant «  ohh kangaloos. « ! 

[Jonathan Swift]

15 hours ago, bob smith said:

it really is amazing how fast the BiB spring into action when a foreigner commits a crime in Thailand.

 

When a Thai commits a crime against a foreigner on the other hand....

Oh, so humane of you to sympathize with these murderers. Will you be contributing to their defense then? If there is so much of this terrible injustice and it bothers you so much why are you here? It's their country. They have every right and justification to delegate their priorities as they see fit with regard to  foreigners who commit crimes without explaining to you. Plus, you don't know what goes on behind the scenes, the stories that don't make the papers. A crime by a foreigner is news by its very nature. They are often international criminals. Crimes by Thais are not necessarily priority news. How much of what you think is unfair is simply the news media making its own choices? But wasn't there a Thai woman who poisoned a bunch of people? Did the police do their jobs on that one? Kind of proves you wrong, doesn't it? Plenty more examples which you conveniently ignore when you whine about "injustice".

[Gknrd]

Ok, we will see big joke on his new Harley soon.

Edited July 22, 2023 by Gknrd

[ibjoe]

Outlaws are a very hardcore worldwide motorcycle gang. For perspective about this type of organization (example is Mongols gang), check out the book "Under and Alone: The True Story of the Undercover Agent Who Infiltrated America's Most Violent Outlaw Motorcycle Gang" by William Queen. It is an interesting read.

https://www.amazon.com/Under-Alone-Undercover-Infiltrated-Motorcycle/dp/0345487524

Also (Hell's Angels gang) the book "Hell's Angel: The Life and Times of Sonny Barger and the Hell's Angels Motorcycle Club" by Sonny Barger (founder / leader of Hell's Angels).

https://www.amazon.com/Hells-Angel-Barger-Angels-Motorcycle/dp/0060937548

One more. I didn't read this one, but it seems to be similar type and targets Outlaws gang specifically.

"Outlaws: How a Small Town Biker Gang Took on the Hell's Angels - And Lived to Tell the Tale".

https://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-Small-Biker-Hells-Angels/dp/144471662X

Edited July 22, 2023 by ibjoe
update context / add information

[spidermike007]

17 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And let's be honest here... The police have allowed these "outlaws" to operate here openly for years without much blowback or apparent enforcement.

 

It's only because they finally got caught up in this recent and widely publicized murder case that any kind of crackdown is finally occurring.

 

But as with most police crackdowns here, the extent of it likely will be short-lived and much overblown... And the related crime will be back to normal before too long thereafter, maybe just with some new faces replacing the older ones.

 

Spot on. Only when much egg ends up in the face of the RTP, do they spring into action. And most cases just "go away", if the culprit has cash or influence. Even if it gets to the courts, that is another level of safety for the criminals, if they have enough cash. Multiple layers of protection. 

 

And as you say, the so called crackdowns are mostly PR, especially when the biggest joke is involved. And the crackdowns last two weeks. Then poof. 

Edited July 23, 2023 by spidermike007

[Neeranam]

21 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

No sympathy,

 

They should know very well and they have been here long enough that Human trafficking and drug trafficking are reserved occupations for Thais.

This has been going on for some time, foreign organized crime groups getting involved with this. 10 years ago, I was at a dinner with top cops who didn't know how to handle it. Conflict of interests, actually the dinner felt like a 'sit down'.

[mikeymike100]

11 hours ago, Gknrd said:

Ok, we will see big joke on his new Harley soon.

Get the sarcasm, but you may be not too far from the truth?

[Neeranam]

Big Joke reminds me of 'The Teflon Don' in many ways.

[Scouse123]

8 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Get the sarcasm, but you may be not too far from the truth?

Yeah, but he's way behind Ferrari Joe!

 

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Big Joke reminds me of 'The Teflon Don' in many ways.

He certainly does!

 

Teflon Tony, the former UK Prime minister can't hold a candle to BJ. ( That's Big Joke, by the way)

[Scouse123]

52 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Spot on. Only when much egg ends up in the face of the RTP, do they spring into action. And most cases just "go away", if the culprit has cash or influence. Even if it gets to the courts, that is another level of safety for the criminals, if they have enough cash. Multiple layers of protection. 

 

And as you say, the so called crackdowns are mostly PR, especially when the biggest joke is involved. And the crackdowns last two weeks. Then poof. 

 

 

The RTP always and I mean always play the same old ' wait game '

 

A load of bluster and load of supposed ' action ' then they sit and wait it out.

 

The papers and TV forget and move on to the next piece of sensationalist journalism.

 

The only time you hear anything more is if the culprit hasn't managed to mortgage the farm and give them their pound of flesh , then they delight in their own "back slapping" of a job well done, and sending the miscreant to Ban Kwang or wherever.

 

It's all a win for the corrupt cops all wearing more fake medals that would make Idi Amin proud.

 

Heads I win, tails you lose!

[spidermike007]

I used to know a guy who dealt in ganja on Samui, and he got busted with about a kilo. The cops gave him a choice, come up with 1 million baht within the next 48 hours, and you walk, or be tried for dealing and spend some time in prison. He couldn't come up with the money and he ended up spending about 17 months in the Samui prison.

 

That is law enforcement in Thailand in a nutshell. Highly selective, who you know, who you are, and how much cash you have. This especially includes the joke, as he is chief. Even more so. Just higher amounts. 

[Zack61]

Looks like the Joke is on them (the bikies). Pattaya and Thailand is a better place without these vermin. Keep up the good work 

[TonyFromItaly]

And now that those foreigners are in jail, the Thai mafia will be able to thrive....

[dogfish180]

On 7/22/2023 at 6:37 AM, flyingtlger said:

This guy looks like an exemplary citizen....NOT!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which one, or all 4 really ????

[Sydebolle]

On 7/22/2023 at 7:50 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

And what do you think the RTP can do when their person of interest is located out of their jurisdiction, i.e. not in Thailand?

Like any other civilized country, Sir.

There is Interpol for a start. Another option is the passport. Over time (and certainly less than ten years) the accused will need a new passport. Other (European) Embassies will not issue a new passport replacing the expiring one to allow the holder to travel freely anywhere. Instead they issue a "laissez passer", being a document by the Embassy validating the holder's personal details like in a passport but qualifying only for one single, one-way, trip back to the accused's home country. Once the accused has arrived in his home country, the local laws and rules apply.

If no "laissez passer" is issued, the accused is no longer sitting on legal papers and will get extradited. 

Last not least is to file the papers with the authorities of the country the accused went into "hiding" which can result in cancelling the visa of the accused and get extradited (see Dr Thaksin in 2006). 

[toofarnorth]

On 7/22/2023 at 3:32 PM, Bangkok Barry said:

The Outlaws. Nothing like broadcasting to everyone what you are all about, is there.

My thoughts exactly BB.   " Hey everybody I'm an outlaw ".

[Liverpool Lou]

48 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

On 7/22/2023 at 7:50 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

And what do you think the RTP can do when their person of interest is located out of their jurisdiction, i.e. not in Thailand?

Like any other civilized country, Sir.

There is Interpol for a start.

Like what?   No other countries have jurisdiction outside their own borders, civilised or not.  What do you think Interpol can do apart from issues advisories?

Edited July 24, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

50 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Another option is the passport ... 
If no "laissez passer" is issued, the accused is no longer sitting on legal papers and will get extradited. 

His Thai passport was cancelled a long time ago so, obviously, he has a passport from another country that, he will be able to renew at the appropriate time. 

 

Arrest and extradition is the prerogative of the country that he is in at the time, if he's not committed any offences there, or is not wanted there, those countries do not have to do anything with him.

[PremiumLane]

On 7/22/2023 at 7:36 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Alleged links to the murder, fraud and computer crime.  Try reading the articles properly.

I did, so why no charges for these? Try reading my post 

[Deerculler]

Gang like the Outlaws, Hells Angels etc. Are nothing but criminal scum. 

I happy to see the Thai police are doing a great job.

[tgw]

2 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

I did, so why no charges for these? Try reading my post 

it's a clean up operation.

obviously the police has no serious charges against the club members, but will use anything minor they find to deport them because they want to get rid of the gang.

[Liverpool Lou]

7 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

On 7/22/2023 at 7:36 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Alleged links to the murder, fraud and computer crime.  Try reading the articles properly.

I did, so why no charges for these?

Because they do not have to charge him, they just want to deport him.

[Sydebolle]

21 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Like what?   No other countries have jurisdiction outside their own borders, civilised or not.  What do you think Interpol can do apart from issues advisories?

Well, it is not "missing advisories", as we know. But you have to issue them and then you can take it to the bank that the police force will do their part to ensure, that the assumed culprit is to go and face the music in the land from where the "advisory" was issued in the first place, Sir. 

The same "advisory" is required to block the issuance of a new passport and the boy's in-laws are properly connected to move the manillas in such a way, that such advisories might get ....... lets say .... forgotten? 

[Liverpool Lou]

53 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Well, it is not "missing advisories", as we know. But you have to issue them and then you can take it to the bank that the police force will do their part to ensure, that the assumed culprit is to go and face the music

Nonsense, no member police force of Interpol is compelled to act (by arrest or detention) on the advice of Interpol notices.  They can, and do, make their own decisions about whether they want to be involved in compelling non-citizens of their country, where they have not committed any offences, to "face the music" in other countries.

[Olmate]

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Nonsense, no member police force of Interpol is compelled to act (by arrest or detention) on the advice of Interpol notices.  They can, and do, make their own decisions about whether they want to be involved in compelling non-citizens of their country, where they have not committed any offences, to "face the music" in other countries.

Correct