Why IS It That Super-Smart People, Almost INVARIABLY, Turn Out to Be Atheists? Hear it HERE…Straight from the Horse’s Mouth!

[GammaGlobulin]

My Dear Fellows,

 

Here is a rare opportunity for you to watch an informal discussion with the Late GREAT Richard Feynman. I have watched his lectures on UTUBE, and Feynman was not only a great theoretical physicist, but he was also a glorious human, too, one who knew how to teach like no other.

 

I would be somewhat taken aback if you had never heard of Richard before this moment, but just in case you have been hiding under a rock, please refer to this short Wikipedia blurb:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

 

And, now that you know who he is, you will find this UTUBE video highly enjoyable and intellectually stimulating. I was so happy when I found this video on UTUBE, just this evening.

 

It is a well known fact that ALL scientists are atheists; they just dislike publicly admitting the fact. Keep in mind that Feynman was a very happy guy who even enjoyed playing the bongos, I am told.

 

 

So, what are your thoughts about Feynman’s point of view?

 

And, how do we KNOW that true scientists are…INVARIABLY…..ATHEISTS?

Best regards,

And always thinking of you all…..

 

Ablooming Gull

 

 

 

[flyingtlger]

Richard who?

[GammaGlobulin]

Feynman on....THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD!

 

 

[JensenZ]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

It is a well known fact that ALL scientists are atheists

"a well known fact". "Almost INVARIABLY".

 

 Who told you this? You have been mislead by some dishonest atheists. They want you believe this, but it's nonsense. You can't prove something just by calling it a "well known fact" and not backing it up. It's easier to prove you wrong than you proving yourself right because...

 

The list of religious scientists is long.

 

Have a read of this long list of famous and/or well known Christian scientists. It's well researched with 463 references, so that should keep you busy for awhile. We are fortunate to have people to do exhaustive research on this to dispell the stereotype of all scientists being atheists.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

 

This list only covers Christian scientists. If you we include other religions, the list would grow much longer.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

11 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

"a well known fact". "Almost INVARIABLY".

 

 Who told you this? You have been mislead by some dishonest atheists. They want you believe this, but it's nonsense. You can't prove something just by calling it a "well known fact" and not backing it up. It's easier to prove you wrong than you proving yourself right because...

 

The list of religious scientists is long.

 

Have a read of this long list of famous and/or well known Christian scientists. It's well researched with 463 references, so that should keep you busy for awhile. We are fortunate to have people to do exhaustive research on this to dispell the stereotype of all scientists being atheists.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

 

This list only covers Christian scientists. If you we include other religions, the list would grow much longer.

 

 

 

Why (Almost All) Cosmologists are Atheists

Sean M. Carroll, California Institute of Technology

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/writings/nd-paper/

 

"Given what we know about the universe, there seems to be no reason to invoke God as part of this description. In the various ways in which God might have been judged to be a helpful hypothesis — such as explaining the initial conditions for the universe, or the particular set of fields and couplings discovered by particle physics — there are alternative explanations which do not require anything outside a completely formal, materialist description. I am therefore led to conclude that adding God would just make things more complicated, and this hypothesis should be rejected by scientific standards. It’s a venerable conclusion, brought up to date by modern cosmology; but the dialogue between people who feel differently will undoubtedly last a good while longer."

 

 

[JensenZ]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Why (Almost All) Cosmologists are Atheists

Sean M. Carroll, California Institute of Technology

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/writings/nd-paper/

 

"Given what we know about the universe, there seems to be no reason to invoke God as part of this description. In the various ways in which God might have been judged to be a helpful hypothesis — such as explaining the initial conditions for the universe, or the particular set of fields and couplings discovered by particle physics — there are alternative explanations which do not require anything outside a completely formal, materialist description. I am therefore led to conclude that adding God would just make things more complicated, and this hypothesis should be rejected by scientific standards. It’s a venerable conclusion, brought up to date by modern cosmology; but the dialogue between people who feel differently will undoubtedly last a good while longer."

 

 

The purpose of my reply was to prove that you are wrong in saying that all scientists are atheists and provided a very long list of Christian scientists over many centuries including scientists still living.

 

You said, (quote): "It is a well known fact that ALL scientists are atheists".

 

In this debate it is irrelevant what the scientist you are quoting has to say about religion as I will gladly concede that many scientists are indeed atheists. 

 

Anyway, let's hear what one of the greatest scientific minds of the 20th century had to say about God and religion:

 

For Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."[44][45] He told William Hermanns in an interview that "God is a mystery. But a comprehensible mystery. I have nothing but awe when I observe the laws of nature. There are not laws without a lawgiver, but how does this lawgiver look?... Einstein devised a theology for the cosmic religion, wherein the rational discovery of the secrets of nature is a religious act.[45] His religion and his philosophy were integral parts of the same package as his scientific discoveries.[45]

 

Einstein stated, "I am not an Atheist."[9] According to Prince Hubertus, Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."[27]

 

Accordingly a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation ... In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect. If one conceives of religion and science according to these definitions then a conflict between them appears impossible. For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be...[38]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein#:~:text=Einstein said people can call,god is a childlike one.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by JensenZ

[OneMoreFarang]

I wish it was true (the headline, I blocked the OP).

But evidently there are a lot of smart people who believe in god.

 

Watching interviews, mostly on YouTube, I am often surprised.

Jordan Peterson is a famous example.

Destin, the guy with the SmarterEveryDay YouTube channel, is another example. 

[GammaGlobulin]

 

 

"Fellows of the Royal Society of London were invited to participate in a survey of attitudes toward religion. They were asked about their beliefs in a personal God, the existence of a supernatural entity, consciousness surviving death, and whether religion and science occupy non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA). Overwhelmingly the majority of Fellows affirmed strong opposition to the belief in a personal god, to the existence of a supernatural entity and to survival of death. On 'NOMA’, the majority of Fellows indicated neither a strong disagreement nor strong agreement. We also found that while (surprisingly) childhood religious upbringing and age were not significantly related to current attitudes toward religion, scientific discipline played a small but significant influence: biological scientists are even less likely to be religious than physical scientists and were more likely to perceive conflict between science and religion."

 

All the above is taken from:  https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33#:~:text=Interestingly%2C this difference is far,in God or higher power.

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by GammaGlobulin

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

The purpose of my reply was to prove that you are wrong in saying that all scientists are atheists and provided a very long list of Christian scientists over many centuries including scientists still living.

It is my opinion that any scientist who truly believes there is a god is ipso facto NOT a scientist, but something else.

And that, furthermore, that "something else" is a stain upon the very name of Science!

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I wish it was true (the headline, I blocked the OP).

But evidently there are a lot of smart people who believe in god.

 

Watching interviews, mostly on YouTube, I am often surprised.

Jordan Peterson is a famous example.

Destin, the guy with the SmarterEveryDay YouTube channel, is another example. 

Are you saying that belief in that for which there is no evidence is "super-smart"?

 

And then, what about the Teapot?

 

Belief in teapots in space is "super-smart"?

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Super-Smart People, Almost INVARIABLY, Turn Out to Be Atheists?

 

Garbage.

IMO an actually smart person would admit that no one can actually know that for sure, and be open for evidence one way or the other.

Such evidence has not yet been found.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Are you saying that belief in that for which there is no evidence is "super-smart"?

 

And then, what about the Teapot?

 

Belief in teapots in space is "super-smart"?

 

 

 

Are you so desperate for threads that you come up with this nonsense unproven supposition?

 

The evidence that a greater power exists all around us, but the willfully blind will never see it.

 

Provide proof that there is no God, or it's not true.

 

Teapots have nothing to do with the existence of God, and such is just stupid deflection.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

 

"Fellows of the Royal Society of London were invited to participate in a survey of attitudes toward religion. They were asked about their beliefs in a personal God, the existence of a supernatural entity, consciousness surviving death, and whether religion and science occupy non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA). Overwhelmingly the majority of Fellows affirmed strong opposition to the belief in a personal god, to the existence of a supernatural entity and to survival of death. On 'NOMA’, the majority of Fellows indicated neither a strong disagreement nor strong agreement. We also found that while (surprisingly) childhood religious upbringing and age were not significantly related to current attitudes toward religion, scientific discipline played a small but significant influence: biological scientists are even less likely to be religious than physical scientists and were more likely to perceive conflict between science and religion."

 

All the above is taken from:  https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33#:~:text=Interestingly%2C this difference is far,in God or higher power.

 

 

 

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Scientists are just human beings and nothing special. I've met enough of them to know that.

 

Your charts are meaningless gibberish to anyone that has faith.

[GammaGlobulin]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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Scientists are just human beings and nothing special. I've met enough of them to know that.

 

Your charts are meaningless gibberish to anyone that has faith.

Where???

 

Someplace down south, maybe?

55555

[JensenZ]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

It is my opinion that any scientist who truly believes there is a god is ipso facto NOT a scientist, but something else.

And that, furthermore, that "something else" is a stain upon the very name of Science!

Your personal opinion is duly noted. I don't need a personal opinion on this because the list of famous scientists who were Christians is long and many were responsible for ground breaking scientific discoveries. In fact if you scrubbed some names off the list, we probably wouldn't be sitting in our homes using computers.

[Lacessit]

I do not have the arrogance to assert the presence or absence of a supreme being. I am an agnostic, which means I simply don't know.

I do know I regard all forms of organized religion as anathema, due to the evils they have visited and continue to visit on the world.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Feynman was not only a great theoretical physicist, but he was also a glorious human, too, one who knew how to teach like no other.

Here's a question for you? From where did he derive his "glory"?

Was he a freak of nature, or was his intelligence "designed" by the architect of the universe.

 

Also, in nature, are humans more important than an ant?

 

If scientists are such great people, why do so many use their intellect to create the ways to kill other people in their millions? Why do scientists design bioweapons that can only be used to bring death to masses of other people?

 

Scientists? Purveyors of death more like.

 

Want evidence of God? Plenty of evidence of the devil at work on this planet, and in nature there is always ying and yang - ergo, if the devil exists, IMO God must also exist.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Where???

 

Someplace down south, maybe?

55555

That's right, in Antarctica.

Some of them were right tossers too. Obviously intelligent, but some had zero common sense, and had to have minders so they didn't die there.

[GammaGlobulin]

Well, I guess most guys on this forum are old enough to clearly recall this great article published in the journal, Nature, in 1998:

 

 

"Sir

The question of religious belief among US scientists has been debated since early in the century. Our latest survey finds that, among the top natural scientists, disbelief is greater than ever — almost total."

 

You can find all the above in the Nature article here: https://www.nature.com/articles/28478

 

And, My Fellows... This article is 25 years OLD!  Obviously, the trends are going in just one direction, as you can plainly see. These days, among scientists, it's about 99% agnostic/atheist, if I am not mistaken. I will post the corroborating newer article as soon as I find it.

 

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I do not have the arrogance to assert the presence or absence of a supreme being. I am an agnostic, which means I simply don't know.

I do know I regard all forms of organized religion as anathema, due to the evils they have visited and continue to visit on the world.

I gave that a thumbs up.

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Your personal opinion is duly noted. I don't need a personal opinion on this because the list of famous scientists who were Christians is long and many were responsible for ground breaking scientific discoveries. In fact if you scrubbed some names off the list, we probably wouldn't be sitting in our homes using computers.

Just curious - can you name some famous scientists who were or are Muslims? It does seem rather strange God should be so selective of the Christian faith.

[JensenZ]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

I do not have the arrogance to assert the presence or absence of a supreme being. I am an agnostic, which means I simply don't know.

I do know I regard all forms of organized religion as anathema, due to the evils they have visited and continue to visit on the world.

Well, Einstein considered himself Agnostic, meaning, as you explained, he didn't know, but was rather annoyed when people labelled him incorrectly as atheist...

 

However, the OP has been rather antagnostic to non-atheists, and that is the problem. He is suggesting that smart people cannot be religious, and taking it further, that only smart people are atheists.

 

Apart from that, he is making false statements and suggesting they are fact. When proven wrong, he ignores the evidence.

[GammaGlobulin]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Here's a question for you? From where did he derive his "glory"?

Was he a freak of nature, or was his intelligence "designed" by the architect of the universe.

 

Also, in nature, are humans more important than an ant?

 

If scientists are such great people, why do so many use their intellect to create the ways to kill other people in their millions? Why do scientists design bioweapons that can only be used to bring death to masses of other people?

 

Scientists? Purveyors of death more like.

 

Want evidence of God? Plenty of evidence of the devil at work on this planet, and in nature there is always ying and yang - ergo, if the devil exists, IMO God must also exist.

Do you admit that Entropy exists?

If so, then science tells us that NOTHING can be eternal....

 

And, although it's off-topic... I do NOT believe in evil as you seem to use the term.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I do not have the arrogance to assert the presence or absence of a supreme being. I am an agnostic, which means I simply don't know.

I do know I regard all forms of organized religion as anathema, due to the evils they have visited and continue to visit on the world.

Well, PLEASE do not tell me that you are agnostic about the TEAPOT, too!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

 

 

[scorecard]

28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Super-Smart People, Almost INVARIABLY, Turn Out to Be Atheists?

 

Garbage.

IMO an actually smart person would admit that no one can actually know that for sure, and be open for evidence one way or the other.

Such evidence has not yet been found.

And somewhere is any discussion on this is the fact that other 'religions' exist, with enormous numbers of followers, which also believe in a god, a different god.

[GammaGlobulin]

This OLD DEBATE about there being any SIGNIFICANT difference between an agnostic and an atheist is already just pointless.

 

As everybody knows, there is still great stigma attached the word "atheist", and therefore it is just a matter of convenience for some to admit to being an agnostic when, actually, they DO NOT BELIEVE in a god, or gods...

 

But of course, we know their true position.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Do you admit that Entropy exists?

If so, then science tells us that NOTHING can be eternal....

 

And, although it's off-topic... I do NOT believe in evil as you seem to use the term.

 

 

Nothing physical in this universe lasts forever, but if God is not a physical being, why would God be bound by such limits?

Surely you don't think that people of faith actually think God is an old man sitting a throne in space?

How do you know that this universe is the only one that ever existed, or will exist? This universe could be the billionth to the power of a billion that has existed so far.

If God is outside physical laws, as God would have to be to create the universe, God is also outside time.

 

IMO the greatest arrogance of some humans is that they think they know everything, when they know very little.

 

If you don't believe in evil, then what was Dachau? A holiday camp perhaps?

What were Hitler, Stalin and Mao? Between them they murdered rather a lot of people, or was that just a triviality in the great game?

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

This OLD DEBATE about there being any SIGNIFICANT difference between an agnostic and an atheist is already just pointless.

 

As everybody knows, there is still great stigma attached the word "atheist", and therefore it is just a matter of convenience for some to admit to being an agnostic when, actually, they DO NOT BELIEVE in a god, or gods...

 

But of course, we know their true position.

 

 

Digging and holes comes to mind.

[JensenZ]

10 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Well, I guess most guys on this forum are old enough to clearly recall this great article published in the journal, Nature, in 1998:

 

 

"Sir

The question of religious belief among US scientists has been debated since early in the century. Our latest survey finds that, among the top natural scientists, disbelief is greater than ever — almost total."

 

You can find all the above in the Nature article here: https://www.nature.com/articles/28478

 

And, My Fellows... This article is 25 years OLD!  Obviously, the trends are going in just one direction, as you can plainly see. These days, among scientists, it's about 99% agnostic/atheist, if I am not mistaken. I will post the corroborating newer article as soon as I find it.

 

I don't suppose you considered the survey dates, did you?

 

1914 - the start of WW1

1933 - Great depression, the rise of Hitler, Persecution of the Jews started in 1933.

 

Usually religion takes a back seat when the world political scene is more settled. That's when arrogant scientists start kicking religion to the curb. In fact, if you surveyed the general population, you'll likely get very similar numbers. Perhaps you could find a survey of the general population to compare results.

[GammaGlobulin]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing physical in this universe lasts forever, but if God is not a physical being, why would God be bound by such limits?

Surely you don't think that people of faith actually think God is an old man sitting a throne in space?

How do you know that this universe is the only one that ever existed, or will exist? This universe could be the billionth to the power of a billion that has existed so far.

If God is outside physical laws, as God would have to be to create the universe, God is also outside time.

 

IMO the greatest arrogance of some humans is that they think they know everything, when they know very little.

 

If you don't believe in evil, then what was Dachau? A holiday camp perhaps?

What were Hitler, Stalin and Mao? Between them they murdered rather a lot of people, or was that just a triviality in the great game?

Please clarify what you mean by "physical", because otherwise your question is impossible to address.