Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[candide]

18 minutes ago, traveller101 said:

After going through 25 pages of comments about Trumps character traits in light of various indictments and his suitability to once again reside in the White House .... all those who regard the honourable Mr. Trump as 

an upstanding citizen, a honest man, an excellent or even the best economic Manager ever, only concerned with the wellbeing of fellow citizens, upholding America's democratic principles and the Constituition at all times -

please vote in the Affirmative.

All others, which can only be described as extreme left looneys, Marxists, Socialists, please Abstain from voting.

Note:

Mr. Trump unfairly lost the last election because a mere additional 11'779 votes could not be found in Georgia among other irregularities, and presently being relentlessly pursued by the FBI and DOJ - agencies weaponized by the real criminal (Biden).

Thank you

Nice peace of sarcasm

[xylophone]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

Nice peace of sarcasm

Therein lies the rub.........was it sarcasm or did the poster actually believe what he wrote??

[candide]

8 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Therein lies the rub.........was it sarcasm or did the poster actually believe what he wrote??

You mean it could be that's it was not sarcasm? 

Not impossible.

[earlinclaifornia]

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You need to get out a bit more, then.   How could you know what areas of the indictment will be confirmed to be "facts"?

Sad times for you, telling me to get out more often. 

Best rebuttal to the four counts today, perhaps.

You do know only a jury will determine what counts as facts.

Those presented in the indictment make me want to puke.  Trump is a very vile person.

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

You may have heard the expression that prosecutors can “indict a ham sandwich.”
This reflects the facts that: (1) grand jury proceedings are secret and closed to the public. The defense has no opportunity to present evidence at a grand jury proceeding, challenge the prosecution’s evidence, or present its side of the story. 
https://www.burnhamgorokhov.com/criminal-defense-resources/federal-criminal-process/federal-indictments-faqs

At this point its all political! Accusations by a democrat prosecutor ,hired by a democrat attorney general Garland .

imop

Now onto a hostile DC court system , where  95% of the voters, vote for dems and where the electorate has been told previously by his political  opponent that Trump is like Gobbels a Nazi propagandist !

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/26/joe-biden-trump-joseph-goebbels-422047

 

 

None of your quotes comes from the final link, which is from 2020 btw 

[earlinclaifornia]

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You don't seem to realise that an indictment is not a statement of facts, it's just an accusation!

insult removed 

[Danderman123]

On 8/2/2023 at 8:34 AM, bignok said:

I don't anything real here. All fake trumped up charges. He didn't cause the riots. All he did was question the election results.

 

 

This comment did not age well.

 

A question for you: when the Capitol Rioters sought to "hang Mike Pence", why didn't Trump stop them?

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

Humour??? Am I missing something? These bogans obviously believe the nonsense they are spouting! Sad.

Never heard of it before.........but a little Google search has put me right!! Satire at its best and sorry that I didn't know it. Duh!!

 

But then again as @candide said, "not impossible" with the trump/MAGA IQ and mindset.

 

You mean it could be that's it was not sarcasm? 

Not impossible.

 

[watthong]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Nice peace of sarcasm

Yep, the give-away was the inclusion of trump regarded as "a honest man."  A self-respecting trumper would never say that word, it burns the inside of their mouth.

I gave it a thump up (loved the "real criminal (Biden)" tail end.)

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Trump is a very vile person.

Thank you. As someone who lived in mid-town Manhattan (west 57th street) in the 1970's, that realization is coming about 50 years too late for some.

[candide]

57 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Never heard of it before.........but a little Google search has put me right!! Satire at its best and sorry that I didn't know it. Duh!!

 

But then again as @candide said, "not impossible" with the trump/MAGA IQ and mindset.

 

You mean it could be that's it was not sarcasm? 

Not impossible.

 

Well, the problem is that some serious MAGA posts are so ridiculous that it's difficult to differentiate them from sarcasm.

[FruitPudding]

31 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Thank you. As someone who lived in mid-town Manhattan (west 57th street) in the 1970's, that realization is coming about 50 years too late for some.

What did Trump do back then?

[Walker88]

10 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You do realize the Trump Russia collusion you are TWICE referring to in this post has been debunked long ago? You knw it was, I guess some narratives are just too beneficial to dump even when we know they are disinformation. Why does the forum left keep attacking Trump over the hoaxes their side concocted to smear him(this week we had someone attacking him for the false claim he cleared a street for a photo op too and many others)? 

 

"The Russia-Trump collusion narrative of 2016 and beyond was a dirty trick for the ages, and now we know it came from the top—candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. That was the testimony Friday by 2016 Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in federal court, and while this news is hardly a surprise, it’s still bracing to find her fingerprints on the political weapon."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709

 

while this news is hardly a surprise!!!! Was it a surprise for you, Tug?

 

No, it wasn't debunked. It was marginalized by 1) restrictions put on Mueller, and 2) AG Barr getting in the way.

 

FACT: Campaign Chair manafort traveled to Spain to meet GRU asset konstantin kilimnik, gave kilimnik internal polling data, kilimnik gave it to the GRU entity Internet Research Agency, who then microtargeted voters in key swing States with fake stories about HRC or other Dems, such as the silly uranium story.

 

That FACT appeared in the (R) written SSCI report on russia.

 

I submit you have minimal actual knowledge of the russia interference. It may never be fully publicized, partly because it might reveal critical clandestine sources and methods, violate commitments made to foreign intel liaison services, and mostly because trump commits crimes so quickly that there's plenty to charge him with now.

 

[Walker88]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

He incited people to make their voices heard "peacefully and patriotically". 

Well then he must be a really poor leader, if he can't even keep his goobers peaceful. Hardly qualified to lead a nation of 335,000,000 people if he can't keep his actual supporters in line.

 

BTW, what 'voice' must Congress hear? That many are whining because democracy said no to trump?

[Slip]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

This comment did not age well.

 

A question for you: when the Capitol Rioters sought to "hang Mike Pence", why didn't Trump stop them?

The magat's comments age like milk in hot sun these days.  Baseless accusations and whining, but at least most have realised their position is ridiculous lately and post mostly in the word game/ favourite movie threads alone.  Fair play to them I say.  Even if they can't admit it publicly, they have gained some sense.

The ones who are still active are laughable.

[metisdead]

Off topic deflection posts and replies about the George Floyd riots have been removed.

 

Off topic posts about refurbishments of hotels have been removed.

[watthong]

1 hour ago, Slip said:

The magat's comments age like milk in hot sun these days.  Baseless accusations and whining, but at least most have realised their position is ridiculous lately and post mostly in the word game/ favourite movie threads alone.  Fair play to them I say.  Even if they can't admit it publicly, they have gained some sense.

The ones who are still active are laughable.

Please stop the bragging and have some sympathy for those going through existential crisis... Their master is on the chopping block, for christ sake!

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Trump is a very vile person.

That's your opinion, nothing more.

[Liverpool Lou]

8 hours ago, Berkshire said:

8 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You don't seem to realise that an indictment is not a statement of facts, it's just an accusation!

Lordy.  The DOJ is not going to make accusations without facts/evidence to back them up.  Especially not against an ex-Prez.  You need to read the indictment.

"The DOJ is not going to make accusations without facts/evidence to back them up". 

Hahahahahahaha.....!    It's got a bloody history of doing just that!

[Dave0206]

12 hours ago, sirineou said:

Graham is a boot licker and a reprihensible human deing , every time I see him I am reminded of a caricature represented in comedies about   corrupt politician in the south ????

His moral compass is a weather vane. When he wakes up in the morning  he sticks his thumb  out the window  to see which way the wind blows and whos ass he needs to kiss. 

When he thought McCain was going to be president , he was his best friend , then even though trump was trashing McCain,  when it seemed like trump might win he became trump's best friend. Then when it looked like trump was finished he dumped trump but just as soon as he realised that he was not done  he reversed course and became trump's best friend again. 

 

Well 'you can quote me lying ted" also said he has got to remain relevant  he just forgot to mention no matter what I do

[Liverpool Lou]

9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

If they were not facts in evidence Sir then the grand jury would never have heard them. 

Oh, my...you're not serious are you?   

 

"How could you know what areas of the indictment will be confirmed to be "facts"?"

I did not say that I do know which, if any, area of the indictment would prove to be factual!

[Dave0206]

It always amazed me how many people memories return as soon as they are no longer in trumps cabinet I would say 95% that leave all a sudden remember he is a liar. Only one who called him a moron was rex tillerson. ???? 

[Liverpool Lou]

11 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

I would say 95% that leave all a sudden remember he is a liar.

Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count as fact.

[scottiejohn]

20 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count as fact.

Nor yours for that matter!

[stevenl]

50 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Oh, my...you're not serious are you?   

 

"How could you know what areas of the indictment will be confirmed to be "facts"?"

I did not say that I do know which, if any, area of the indictment would prove to be factual!

The facts in the indictment are facts. Whether they can be proved or has a defense is the question.

[watthong]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The facts in the indictment are facts. Whether they can be proved or has a defense is the question.

No need to argue with whom the notion of fact/truth no longer matters...

Imagine In every zombie movie, there's a mandatory scene where a lone zomb arrives at the empty town square, starting to engage with any unlucky passers-by and heckling to itself in the process.. you'll get the picture.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"The DOJ is not going to make accusations without facts/evidence to back them up". 

Hahahahahahaha.....!    It's got a bloody history of doing just that!

DOJ has a very high conviction rate for charged criminals, so either you are wrong, or thousands of juries are wrong.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"The DOJ is not going to make accusations without facts/evidence to back them up". 

Hahahahahahaha.....!    It's got a bloody history of doing just that!

Plenty of testimonies from Republican witnesses. I know Republicans don't have a good reputation for telling the truth, but there are many of them, and they testified under oath.

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"The DOJ is not going to make accusations without facts/evidence to back them up". 

Hahahahahahaha.....!    It's got a bloody history of doing just that!

Please give us that history. Otherwise, you're just guessing.

 

As for this indictment, videos, emails, memos and messages, plus multiple witness statements from trump's own people, are FACTS.

 

The only point of the trial is to let trump make some excuse up, and then if at least one jury member believes what will be an obvious lie.

 

Technically your point about trial and evidence might be correct, as Al Capone must never have had anyone killed, but he did cheat on his taxes....hence, jail.

 

Of course Capone did have people killed, just as trump was intimately involved in a scam to overthrow US democracy.

 

 

[Danderman123]

41 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count as fact.

Has Donald Trump ever told a lie?