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2023 Trip Report for Retirement Extension via Thai Bank Deposit at BKK CW


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2 minutes ago, Caldera said:

I'm a bit baffled that you waited for 5 hours for the re-entry permit, aren't you aware that you can apply at the airport on your way out?

 

That being said, when Big Jok(e) gets around to make his suggestions, I'd wish they do away with re-entry permits altogether and make them an integral part of every long-term extension. It's such a waste of time, hassle and passport pages for no good reason.

The current distinction between visa and "temporary permission to remain in Thailand" make this a real can of worms. Vast swathes of the legislation would need to be reworded. On the other hand, they have somehow managed to finesse that with the way the LTR visas have been set up. I agree with you that the whole re-entry permit system is needlessly bureaucratic.

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43 minutes ago, Caldera said:

I'm a bit baffled that you waited for 5 hours for the re-entry permit, aren't you aware that you can apply at the airport on your way out?

 

My custom, for the more than decade that I've lived here, has been to always get my reentry permit at the same time I do my annual extension at BKK CW. Which I would assume is pretty common.

 

And in almost all prior years, it was the more involved extension part of the process that generally took longer than the simple reentry permit application. So I had no habit or custom to rely on airport exits as my route for doing reentry permits...

 

Plus, my international flights out generally tend to be at or after midnight here local time. And frankly, I've never been sure that the Survarnabhumi Immigration desk for reentry permits would necessarily be staffed at those off hours, and didn't want to risk getting left high and dry, which would mean considerable grief.

 

Also PS - I didn't KNOW it was going to take FIVE HOURS when I sat down to wait at the beginning of the reentry permit process... All I knew was I was given a queue # of 171 at 10:10 am that morning, and they were on #70 for people submitting their applications at that point.

 

As it turned out, I was able to submit my application (the first part of the process) just before the noon lunch break. But then having done that, with things in their processing stage, I didn't get my passport returned and stamped until after 3 pm....

 

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42 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Pretty sure they are not acceptable to immigration.

Requires bank statements with the bank stamp .

Kasikorn told me today that can be done on the day (unlike Bangkok bank) 

Cost 200baht

Last year, when I was demanded unexpectedly to produce a 12 month statement at BKK CW, the Krungsri branch there also was able to generate one within a half hour or so, I think, for the same 200 baht fee.

 

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56 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes I had same issue last November at CW for annual extension based on retirement using funds in the bank.

In the past photocopies of bank book pages along with bank book had been accepted for many years.

Immigration issue was that I had various months with zero transactions. 

They wanted Bank Statements.

Asked to see supervisor.

Eventually approved with I had to promise to provide bank statements for next extension.

 

As for your other question.

"Retirement Visa" 

There is no such thing.

It's shorthand for non O based on retirement and subsequent extensions. OR

Could also be a Non O-A...OR

Also could be a multiple entry Non O (retirement) .

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your answer ! The only thing that could be the reason,is that I did not have any transactions.I always thought that it was good to not have any:making it easy and clear.But I now understand,that it looks suspicious,and actually makes problem.Guess I have to do some transactions in the future.( on the money that is over the 800.000 )

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3 minutes ago, Bosse137 said:

Thanks for your answer ! The only thing that could be the reason,is that I did not have any transactions.I always thought that it was good to not have any:making it easy and clear.But I now understand,that it looks suspicious,and actually makes problem.Guess I have to do some transactions in the future.( on the money that is over the 800.000 )

Is your account the kind that doesn't credit interest on a monthly basis? The normal interest credit would become a monthly entry and update in your bank book (the kind of transaction that reassures Immigration).

 

On an 800,000+ baht deposit, I certainly hope it's an account that's earning interest!

 

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9 minutes ago, Bosse137 said:

Thanks for your answer ! The only thing that could be the reason,is that I did not have any transactions.I always thought that it was good to not have any:making it easy and clear.But I now understand,that it looks suspicious,and actually makes problem.Guess I have to do some transactions in the future.( on the money that is over the 800.000 )

You are correct in your first sentence.

Many folk use a dedicated bank account for immigration purposes.

I can understand immigration issue with MANY transactions in various months being "consolidated" 

On the other hand accounts with various months zero transactions being an issue is ludicrous.

 

Just more rubbish from a stupid system.

I love Thailand but seriously so many areas of immigration rules are a joke.

 

Back to your post. 

All you need to do is make ONE transaction every month.

 

For my next extension I will do the bank statements.

 

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15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Is your account the kind that doesn't credit interest on a monthly basis?

Believe it is normal to credit interest June and December for normal passbook accounts - rather than monthly.

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8 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Believe it is normal to credit interest June and December for normal passbook accounts - rather than monthly.

My Krungsri MTD account credits interest monthly...which is one feature that makes it handy for Immigration purposes.

 

But my regular BKK Bank savings account, as you mention, credits twice a year...

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10 minutes ago, Bosse137 said:

Thanks for your answer ! The only thing that could be the reason,is that I did not have any transactions.I always thought that it was good to not have any:making it easy and clear.But I now understand,that it looks suspicious,and actually makes problem.Guess I have to do some transactions in the future.( on the money that is over the 800.000 )

The problem with passbook entries is unless they are updated frequently which ensures "every" balance change/transaction is reflected in your passbook, then some transactions could have caused your balance to drop below whatever the minimum deposit requirement is required for your extension of stay....and that transaction/balance would not be reflected in a consolidated (a.k.a., summary) balance update to your passbook as a consolidated balance update just shows your current balance.  There could have been numerous transactions/balance changes in the period covered by that summary/consolidated balance update to your passbook.   

 

It seems most Immigration offices want to see a balance update to the passbook at least once a month.   If no monthly update then the immigration officer may want to ensure you maintained the required extension of stay balance throughout the required months of the extension period and a 12 month statement will provide that information as such statements will reflect "all" (each and every one) transactions/balance changes.  

 

Even if it's a fixed savings account where you don't/can't add additional deposits and the fixed acct might only pay interest once a year the immigration officer knows a "statement" will always reflect "all" transactions/balance changes even in the unlikely event there were no changes.....just as they know passbooks might not reflect all transactions/balance changes.   

 

If you can get at less one monthly passbook update to your passbook generally that good enough for most immigration offices....they will usually accept the passbook.   Otherwise, don't be surprised if the immigration office requires a 12 month statement.  If it was me I would just get a 12 month statement just before an annual extension of stay since they are cheap to get but keep in mind that at some Thai banks it may take up to a week to get a 12 month statement (like at Bangkok Bank) while some others can produce an annual statement in minutes....the kind of statement that comes on bank letterhead paper, has a bank stamp/signature.  The immigration office may not accept a 12 month statement you print from your online ibanking/mbanking account as such a statement could be photoshopped (altered).

 

And as more Thai banks are slowly transitioning to "passbook-less" accounts I expect in the not-so-distance future immigration offices will always want a statement due to passbooks not always showing all transactions and more applicants not even having passbooks.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

My Krungsri MTD account credits interest monthly...which is one feature that makes it handy for Immigration purposes.

 

But my regular BKK Bank savings account, as you mention, credits twice a year...

Yea...ditto for me.   So many different types of Thai bank accts paying interest at different times.  Regular savings accts which usually pay in Jun and Dec......fixed savings accts that may pay monthly/quarterly/semiannually/ annually..... hybrid accts like the Krungsri MTD acct which is kinda a regular & fixed acct mixed together.  

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7 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Oh man !!! on reading your post I just realised that Thailand will soon be a story of the past,  and I rather put in my forthcomming retirement money in a few years,  in another Asian country that does not make so much immigration trouble for the quality retirees as yourself !

 

I think it's something of a mixed bag. The actual rules for retirees to stay in Thailand right now are not too difficult from a financial end of things, compared to other countries.

 

However, the price we tend to pay for that is a sometimes mind-numbingly bureaucratic Immigration system that unfortunately also suffers from opacity (the opposite of transparency) to its clients and operational policies that vary and change from place to place and time to time, creating headaches and confusion at times.

 

It will be very interesting to see what becomes -- if anything -- of a top police official's recent public trial balloon proposal to substantially increase the current financial requirements for Thailand's retirement visas/extensions.

 

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Thanks to all who answered my question about bankstatement ! My conclusion of various info on the subject is,that I put in some money every month,resulting in a every month update.BTW,I get interest twice a year.And I will do it in more than one bank...Hopefully it will work better next extension,.Thanks again !

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8 hours ago, mokwit said:

No, it was in response to your point that while one IO at CW may say not needed, you may have a situation with another IO not sharing this view.

The TM6 isnt required or issued for International flights any longer although still used on border entries if I remember correctly, hence the confusion on needing one or not. 

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5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Ahh... on the point of bank passbooks... at least in my experience, Krungsri Bank (the yellow, Ayudhya one) continues to have problems with their bank book update machines not accepting some (all?) bank books.

 

After I got my Immigration letter at my local branch earlier this week, I tried updating my bankbook in their public machine, and FAIL.... Go inside, and the bank staff can update my book just fine on their private machines...

 

And exactly the same thing with the Krungsri update machines outside the branch in the basement of the BKK CW complex... Same this year, same as last year... Same with my prior bank book, same with my newest bank book....

 

And as a consequence, each year, I'm unable do my required bank book update on the day of my Immigration visit until AFTER the BKK CW Krungsri branch opens at 8:30 am, which happens to be the same time the BKK CW Immigration office begins allowing in people from their long queue.

 

It's an ongoing hassle with Krungsri.

 

Prior to my trip to Immigration for my extension, I go to the bank for bank letter and 12 months transaction print out and they update my bank book at the same time.

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On 8/24/2023 at 9:20 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

But both were fully booked up for about a week ahead of time, and I was in a hurry to do my renewals, as I wanted to complete them before any potential increase in the bank deposit financial requirements for retirement extensions (something Police Gen. Big Joke has recently publicly talked about proposing to the new incoming Thai government

 

 

 

 

Not sure why you continue to include this statement in your posts as its not an accurate statement and to my knowledge hasn't been mentioned by any official that does have authority to make a change. As discussed in one of your previous posts he has no authority to change the amount of money required. He made a comment about it but that's all he can do. The MOI controls the monetary aspect and regulations for visas and was pointed out by a number of posters to you so to include this can be confusing to others that are not aware of who controls this issue. 

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7 minutes ago, Kopitiam said:

Prior to my trip to Immigration for my extension, I go to the bank for bank letter and 12 months transaction print out and they update my bank book at the same time.

Yes, but that only works if you get all that done on the same day you visit Immigration, as the bank book update that Immigration wants to see must be done on the day of your visit to Immigration prior to you submitting your paperwork.

 

And since most Thai bank branches don't open until 8 a.m. or later, that seems like it's going to set back / delay your ability to get an early start with Immigration... especially in a place like Bangkok which has long Immigration queues and time-consuming travel.

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Not sure why you continue to include this statement in your posts as its not an accurate statement and to my knowledge hasn't been mentioned by any official that does have authority to make a change. As discussed in one of your previous posts he has no authority to change the amount of money required. He made a comment about it but that's all he can do. The MOI controls the monetary aspect and regulations for visas and was pointed out by a number of posters to you so to include this can be confusing to others that are not aware of who controls this issue. 

The police official who proposed increasing the financials for retirement visas/extensions is a very senior leader in the current Thai police administration, as well as a current candidate for becoming the new national police chief, and former head of Thai Immigration.

 

While others have roles in the ultimate final decision on whether that kind of increase actually occurs, it's blinders thinking to suggest that someone like Gen. Surachate Hakparn publicly proposing such an increase has no significance.

 

"Pol Gen Surachate Hakparn, nicknamed Big Joke, is a Thai police officer and current deputy national police chief of Thailand. He previously served as the chief of Immigration Bureau of Thailand. He had held several posts, including commissioner of the MPB, or Tourist Police Bureau."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surachate_Hakparn

 

I never said he could unilaterally impose such an increase solely with his own authority.

 

And as noted for background previously:

 

"As part of the efforts, Pol Gen Surachate promised that he would propose an amendment to the immigration law, especially concerning retirement visa extensions, through the police chief once a new government takes office. 

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"First, as an individual of great influence with both the Royal Thai Immigration and Royal Thai Police, when Mr. Hakparn speaks it is best to listen. He is well known for many reforms and changes, many admittedly unpopular to foreigners, when in charge of Thai Immigration."

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2023/08/05/opinion-editorial-no-it-isnt-time-to-worry-about-retirement-visa-changes-yet/

 

All of the above is why I mentioned it.

 

The specifics of just what he actually may propose to the new government remains to be seen, as does the ultimate fate of his original (very general) public proposal.

 

But with the new government soon to be formed under the new PM and a new national police chief soon to be appointed, I suspect we'll all be finding out in the not too distant future.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The police official who proposed increasing the financials for retirement visas/extensions is a very senior leader in the current Thai police administration, as well as a current candidate for becoming the new national police chief, and former head of Thai Immigration.

 

While others have roles in the ultimate final decision on whether that kind of increase actually occurs, it's blinders thinking to suggest that someone like Gen. Surachate Hakparn publicly proposing such an increase has no significance.

 

"Pol Gen Surachate Hakparn, nicknamed Big Joke, is a Thai police officer and current deputy national police chief of Thailand. He previously served as the chief of Immigration Bureau of Thailand. He had held several posts, including commissioner of the MPB, or Tourist Police Bureau."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surachate_Hakparn

 

I never said he could unilaterally impose such an increase solely with his own authority.

 

And as noted for background previously:

 

"As part of the efforts, Pol Gen Surachate promised that he would propose an amendment to the immigration law, especially concerning retirement visa extensions, through the police chief once a new government takes office. 

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"First, as an individual of great influence with both the Royal Thai Immigration and Royal Thai Police, when Mr. Hakparn speaks it is best to listen. He is well known for many reforms and changes, many admittedly unpopular to foreigners, when in charge of Thai Immigration."

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2023/08/05/opinion-editorial-no-it-isnt-time-to-worry-about-retirement-visa-changes-yet/

 

All of the above is why I mentioned it.

 

The specifics of just what he actually may propose to the new government remains to be seen, as does the ultimate fate of his original (very general) public proposal.

 

But with the new government soon to be formed under the new PM and a new national police chief soon to be appointed, I suspect we'll all be finding out in the not too distant future.

 

 

Again he has no standing at all to propose anything in his current role of if he were promoted  within the police ranks as MOI controls immigration and the regulations. So for you to continue to speculate that he does or will is not accurate. He like most officials in many dept in Thailand constantly comment on issues outside their area as a way to show "power and importance". So unless he is promoted into the MOI he's just talking about his opinion. No need to continue to try to trumpet this as an anticipated change.  If any change is coming you'll here about it from an appropriate official. 

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3 hours ago, Dan O said:

cussed in one of your previous posts he has no authority to change the amount of money required. He made a comment about it but that's all he can do. The MOI controls the monetary aspect and regulations for visas

All kinds of changes have been made with Police Orders without any Parliamentary involvement, including changes from 200k to 800k (albeit grandfathered).

 

 

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1 hour ago, mokwit said:

All kinds of changes have been made with Police Orders without any Parliamentary involvement, including changes from 200k to 800k (albeit grandfathered).

 

 

Police orders are used (issued) for clarification, notification and enforcement of existing regulation with associated divisions within Thailand. I don't believe they can actually create or generate new regulations as they must work with the general guidelines of regulation under the constitution. But if that's how you read it thats fine.

 

This is a circular discussion that's happened on multiple post on this forum.  I'm done as its going nowhere but in circles.  

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1 hour ago, Dan O said:

Police orders are used (issued) for clarification, notification and enforcement of existing regulation with associated divisions within Thailand. I don't believe they can actually create or generate new regulations as they must work with the general guidelines of regulation under the constitution. But if that's how you read it thats fine.

 

This is a circular discussion that's happened on multiple post on this forum.  I'm done as its going nowhere but in circles.  

In many, many situations, the controlling law states that the prevailing rules should be covered in Ministerial Announcements that become effective when published in the Government Gazette. The Police Orders largely reflect how the law, as qualified by the Ministerial Announcements, are implemented.

 

The above states how things are supposed to work. In practice, the officials often ignore the Ministerial Announcements, and sometimes even the clear language of the laws themselves.

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10 hours ago, Pib said:

The problem with passbook entries is unless they are updated frequently which ensures "every" balance change/transaction is reflected in your passbook, then some transactions could have caused your balance to drop below whatever the minimum deposit requirement is required for your extension of stay

Another problem with passbook entries, such as I have just experienced with my dedicated Krungsri 800k account, is overprinting.

 

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2 minutes ago, OJAS said:

Another problem with passbook entries, such as I have just experienced with my dedicated Krungsri 800k account, is overprinting.

 

Yea...quite a few times over the years both the wife and I with Bangkok Bank, Krungsri Bank, and KrungThai Bank passbooks have experienced passbook printing update problems like overprint, blurred, print so light it's only partially readable, etc.  It happens maybe around 5 percent of the time.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Pib said:

It seems most Immigration offices want to see a balance update to the passbook at least once a month. 

This was certainly made clear to me for the first time when I applied for my latest retirement extension at Rayong in July. I am seriously wondering whether some edict has recently gone out to immigration offices from the Immigration Bureau hierarchy covering both this requirement and also the need for 12-month bank statements in the case of those offices who haven't already been requesting these (this was another unwelcome surprise which was sprung on me last July). Expect more reports on here in connection with other offices, I think!

 

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3 hours ago, OJAS said:

also the need for 12-month bank statements

In my experience, at least at BKK CW, the only time that particular IO tends to demand 12 month bank official bank statements is when there's some perceived problem or lacking with the printed entries in the bank passbook itself.

 

On my visit Thursday, they were fine with the normal stuff -- examining the bank book itself that was updated earlier that day, and getting the signed photocopies of all the pertinent bank book pages.

 

Of course, not commenting on what other IOs may be doing.

 

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