Opinion Biden’s plot to send America back into lockdown must be stopped

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2 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

As long as they continue to get their grant dosh, I don't think they care TBH.

 

I'll run with anything to do with this topic. Fire away.

I guess when you've got nothing, resorting to accusations of lying is one way to go.

[Walker88]

Would the author have been happier if Biden had announced "now 15, and soon down to 1" and "just like that, it'll be gone by Easter"? Maybe Biden should suggest we all get an injection of Lysol? Stick a UV light up where the sun doesn't shine? That didn't seem to work, nor did horse tranquilizers.

 

Prudence is wise. Prudence and preparation do not equate to lockdown. The author just makes a leap and extrapolates from one school and one studio, neither of which have anything to do with Biden. That the Administration might make contingency plans is called being professional. It would be a dereliction of duty to not at least prepare.

 

While it does seem all of the Covid variants have been mutations into less deadly forms, it is still wise to stay on top of the virus. Covid is unique in that it is one of the few---maybe only virus major known---that can be spread by non-symptomatic people. It's not SARS or MERS, and not Ebola, which are only spread by people evidencing symptoms. There is no guarantee that such a widely dispersed virus cannot mutate into something deadlier than the Delta variant, since mutations are a numbers game.

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36 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The left love to control.

 

Your language, your thoughts, your face coverings, your vaccinations, your money, their truth.

 

Ignore them.

And extreme right wing ideologues love to make over-the-top generalizations.

[impulse]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

I guess I must have missed that article that was published in the journal of three of my doctors and couple of nurses .

You got any evidence from actual epidemiological studies?

Because it's raining here and I got bored, here's 3 of the dozens I found in a quick search:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10413536/

 

The results of our proportion meta-analysis showed that the rate of VZV reactivation among those who received the COVID-19 vaccine was 14 persons per 1000 vaccinations (95% CI 2.97–32.80). Moreover, our meta-analysis for HSV reactivation showed the rate of 16 persons per 1000 vaccinations (95% CI 1.06–46.4). Furthermore, the evidence from case reports/series showed 149 cases of HHV reactivation. There were several vaccines that caused reactivation including BNT162b2 mRNA or Pfizer–BioNTech (n = 76)

 

In any study of vaccines, 14-16 per 1000 doses would be a HUGE red flag.  Certainly enough to qualify as a common side effect...

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9966113/

 

Bell's Palsy, anyone?

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8652627/

 

Recently, cases of herpes zoster (HZ) characterized by reactivation of varicella zoster virus (VZV) following COVID‐19 vaccines have been reported in the literature 

 

I had chicken pox as a kid, like most of us.  That left DORMANT virus in my system for around 60 years.  Probably would have stayed dormant until they throw dirt in my face.  But noooo...  I had to get the mRNA.  I'd be an idiot to take another without a gun to my head.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Since when did this forum's World NEWS subforum become the nonsense right-wing fanatic opinion piece forum?

 

I'm not even going to dignify the rest of the rubbish OP with any further response.

 

 

+1 feels more like a bunch of degenerates from 4chan have taken over.

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5 minutes ago, impulse said:

Because it's raining here and I got bored, here's 3 of the dozens I found in a quick search:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10413536/

 

The results of our proportion meta-analysis showed that the rate of VZV reactivation among those who received the COVID-19 vaccine was 14 persons per 1000 vaccinations (95% CI 2.97–32.80). Moreover, our meta-analysis for HSV reactivation showed the rate of 16 persons per 1000 vaccinations (95% CI 1.06–46.4). Furthermore, the evidence from case reports/series showed 149 cases of HHV reactivation. There were several vaccines that caused reactivation including BNT162b2 mRNA or Pfizer–BioNTech (n = 76)

 

In any study of vaccines, 14-16 per 1000 doses would be a HUGE red flag.  Certainly enough to qualify as a common side effect...

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9966113/

And here's the conclusion which you failed to note:

"In conclusion, our study showed the possible association between COVID-19 vaccination and herpesvirus reactivation."

[owl sees all]

34 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

As a professor I suspect he was being quite diplomatic to you.

Actually it's quite a funny story. I did ask questions. Maybe too many.

 

We were due for a two week research break. The Professor (lecturer) said he went to his local, in Hornchurch (town in Essex, England), on a Friday night, and he would be delighted to see any of us there. Well, I lived in Dagenham (just next door) and turned up. After a couple of drinks, I hit a nerve or two, regarding asking him about the role of medicines; as in medications. Really quite rude of me; now I look back.

 

Got a call to see my personal Tutor; who went on and on about how difficult it was to get placings, and exchanges, arranged. But as he showed me the door he said; ''Doctors never ask questions. Physiologists always do.'' Think he was a bit proud of me, but couldn't say so.

 

That's the inglorious story.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by owl sees all

[impulse]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Since when did this forum's World NEWS subforum become the nonsense right-wing fanatic opinion piece forum?

 

I'm not even going to dignify the rest of the rubbish OP with any further response.

+1 feels more like a bunch of degenerates from 4chan have taken over.

Gotta be honest.  I didn't even look at the top to see that we're in the World News forum.  Given the troll baiting nature of the OP, I assumed we were rolling around in the mud of The Pub section.

 

[owl sees all]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess when you've got nothing, resorting to accusations of lying is one way to go.

Seem to recall you saying similar to some posters on the recent climate thread. Change the record boss.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

Gotta be honest.  I didn't even look at the top to see that we're in the World News forum.  Given the troll baiting nature of the OP, I assumed we were rolling around in the mud of The Pub section.

 

Well I have to agree there with you, it does seem that way and if it were in the pub then it would be more understandable

[owl sees all]

36 minutes ago, impulse said:

I had chicken pox as a kid, like most of us.  That left DORMANT virus in my system for around 60 years.  Probably would have stayed dormant until they throw dirt in my face.  But noooo...  I had to get the mRNA.  I'd be an idiot to take another without a gun to my head.

I have to take issue with this. How do you know it was a dormant virus. Viruses are dead to start with. Where can they live in your system for one minute, let alone 60 years? Would that hiding place be inside the cell or outside?

 

As far as you taking another the MRNA jab; I agree, and hold up your courage, and common sense.

Edited August 27, 2023 by owl sees all

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7 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Seem to recall you saying similar to some posters on the recent climate thread. Change the record boss.

When someone says 2+2=5, I'm going to say that's false, I could dress up my reply in any number of ways, but the answer would amount to the same thing.

The fact is anyone who makes a claim like yours, is just inventing stuff to avoid facing the fact that they've got nothing. But if you do have proof that epidemiologists are lying, you should post a link to that. 

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

https://aseannow.com/forum/158-world-news/

[owl sees all]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

When someone says 2+2=5, I'm going to say that's false, I could dress up my reply in any number of ways, but the answer would amount to the same thing.

The fact is anyone who makes a claim like yours, is just inventing stuff to avoid facing the fact that they've got nothing. But if you do have proof that epidemiologists are lying, you should post a link to that. 

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

https://aseannow.com/forum/158-world-news/

Where did I state that?

 

If you don't get down off that high horse you will fall off it.

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Just now, owl sees all said:

Where did I state that?

 

If you don't get down off that high horse you will fall off it.

You've still got nothing. Come up with a link to a credible source the epidemiologists are lying about varying rates of mortality among different cohorts. In other words put up...

[impulse]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

I have to take issue with this. How do you know it was a dormant virus. Viruses are dead to start with. Where can they live in your system for one minute, let alone 60 years. Is that inside the cell or outside?

 

As far as you taking another the MRNA jab; I agree, and hold up your courage.

My doctors, my nurses and the 3 papers I linked to refer to re- activating Herpes Zoster.  Viruses that have been dormant since I recovered from chicken pox around 60 years ago, according to my own health care providers. 

 

I don't pretend to know how it works. 

 

That's why I learned absolutely nothing beyond what my doctors told me, by pulling up those 3 links (and dozens of similar papers)  But it seems that's the requirement for acceptance here.  A link to a reliable source.  What happened to me personally, and what my health care providers told me, just isn't good enough for the forum.  But I'm gonna believe my lying eyes anyway.

 

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1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

Placehold-hold-hold-holder, your record is stu-stu-stu-stuck as you keep repea-repea-repea-repeating yourself...

And @BangkokHank already clearly addressed your 'approved credible source' insistance.

>> As for this website's requirement to quote "an approved credible source", that's just a feeble attempt to cover blatant censorship, as whatever proof I present that goes against this site's approved version of events would de facto be deemed neither approved nor credible. As such, it is pointless for me to try to argue with a person who has the right to censor anything I say.

 

 

Please. People who had every motivation to find evidence found nothing as the results of the work by 2 forensic teams hired by Trump's campaign show. Even judges appointed by Trump repeatedly ask his intercessors to produce actual evidence. How many victories did they manage to get in court?

[owl sees all]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You've still got nothing. Come up with a link to a credible source the epidemiologists are lying about varying rates of mortality among different cohorts. In other words put up...

Again! I must ask you. Where did I state that?

[KhunLA]

I didn't have to read any more after this line:

"And the federal government is also sending $1.4 billion to defense contractors and pharmaceutical companies for more Covid “countermeasures” and vaccines. ...

 

... Does the lunacy ever stop?"

 

Apparently not ????

[herfiehandbag]

57 minutes ago, impulse said:

Hyperbole is lost on you...

You exagerate!

Edited August 27, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[Lacessit]

19 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I have to take issue with this. How do you know it was a dormant virus. Viruses are dead to start with. Where can they live in your system for one minute, let alone 60 years? Would that hiding place be inside the cell or outside?

 

As far as you taking another the MRNA jab; I agree, and hold up your courage, and common sense.

How is a dead virus capable of replicating? You have stated a logical absurdity.

[BE88]

The corruption of the manufacture of untested vaccines worked well for a time and tens of billions have filled their pockets without worrying about the secondary effects widespread in the population, the big pharmaceutical companies have always made money with the sick and not with people healthy, therefore all for their benefit pseudo vaccines.

The only thing that made evident with this Covid epidemic was the big corruption in all countries, here in Thailand someone who doesn't like farangs inexplicably reached B. 1000 billions from 150 million three years earlier.

All is well but stop bothering me.

[owl sees all]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

don't pretend to know how it works. 

 

A virus cannot remain 'dormant'. A virus is part of a cell that is decaying or in the process of being broken down. It is not alive. It passes not one of the tests that show a particle to be so.

 

The body is constantly rejuvenating itself. Millions of cells are dying all the time and are being got rid of through various bodily functions. Much of the cell debris is regarded as viruses.

 

Virus; from Latin meaning poison or obnoxious substance.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

 

A virus cannot remain 'dormant'. A virus is part of a cell that is decaying or in the process of being broken down. It is not alive. It passes not one of the tests that show a particle to be so.

 

The body is constantly rejuvenating itself. Millions of cells are dying all the time and are being got rid of through various bodily functions. Much of the cell debris is regarded as viruses.

 

Virus; from Latin meaning poison or obnoxious substance.

 

 

That is not correct. Viruses are not part of a cell that is decaying or in the process of being broken down. Viruses are separate entities from cells. They are made up of genetic material (DNA or RNA) and protein, but they do not have their own cells.

 

They need to infect a living cell in order to replicate and reproduce.

 

When a virus infects a cell, it hijacks the cell's machinery to make more copies of itself. The virus's genetic material is inserted into the cell's DNA, and the cell starts to produce proteins that are needed for the virus to replicate. The cell eventually bursts, releasing the new viruses into the environment.

So, while viruses can cause cells to decay, they are not themselves part of a decaying cell. They are separate entities that need to infect a cell in order to survive.

[spidermike007]

I think many don't want to let it go. There are huge incentives for the CDC, the FDA, the WHO, the medical industry, and Big Pharma. 

 

Zero worries on my part. I am far more concerned about catching a flu. 

 

The numbers might be ticking up a bit, but they are still very low. And the mortality rates continue to drop, with each subsequent variant. 

 

In both percentage change and raw terms, hospitalizations remain far below their pandemic-era peak.

Nationally, hospitalizations are down 82% year over year.

 

The CDC reports 10,320 overall hospital admissions in the week between July 30-Aug. 5, compared to more than 150,000 in one week in January 2022.

 

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/17/covid-19-cases-2023-uptick-where-why

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1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

 

A virus cannot remain 'dormant'. A virus is part of a cell that is decaying or in the process of being broken down. It is not alive. It passes not one of the tests that show a particle to be so.

 

The body is constantly rejuvenating itself. Millions of cells are dying all the time and are being got rid of through various bodily functions. Much of the cell debris is regarded as viruses.

 

Virus; from Latin meaning poison or obnoxious substance.

 

 

 "Latent" is the scientific term. But so what? Dormant is perfectly clear.  Another feature of denialists is that they confuse semantics with science.

[owl sees all]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

How is a dead virus capable of replicating? You have stated a logical absurdity.

Obviously it cannot. And does not.

Edited August 27, 2023 by owl sees all

[MangoKorat]

I thought Asean Now was anti disinformation/fake news/conspiracy theories?

 

This 'polarisation' between Americans must be causing so many problems for both the USA as a whole and at more local levels.  What would have previously been perceived as normal political differences appears to have been turned into hatred.

 

Polarisation may not be new and is not exclusive to the USA but looking from the outside in, I would lay the blame for what's going on there solely at the feet of one person - Donald Trump.  Those who support him, don't seem to realise that they are being played - those against him react with their own attacks.

 

Just stop it and get on with sorting out your country's problems - in other words, return to normal politics and stop making every issue personal

 

Here in the UK, we were going down the slippery slope of polarisation again fueled by one lunatic who much of the population loved (inexplicably).  Thankfully his party finally got rid of him a few months back and we are now slowly returning to normal politics.

 

Quite how people believe in and support these massively populist figures in the first place is difficult to understand - as neither of them use any particularly truthful or scientific elements in their policies. What they seemed to rely on to promote their cause was to portray plain and simple hatred of their political opponents.  What their supporters didn't seem to realise was that their 'leaders' 'causes' were more centralised on promoting their persona and achieving 'greatness' than bringing about change for the better in terms of the country as a whole - something normally expected of a political leader.  One word could be used to describe both Trump and Johnson - Narccissistic.

 

There's always going to be political differences - that's healthy and in a democracy often leads to policies that are acceptable to all political flavours.  Can't you in the USA just get back to normal politics and end this stupidity that is tearing your country apart?

 

What's worrying to me - and yes, worrying because of policies that have world wide consequences, is that the existence of Trump and the support base he generated has now lead to the emergence of others who may continue his methods long after he's gone.

 

Anyone who saw Vivek Ramaswamy's speech at the recent debate would understand what I mean - clearly anti climate change and pro business at any cost - worrying. Quite how anyone today can hold such views is totally baffling - large parts of Canada are on fire and look at Hawaii.

 

If you have any love for your grandchildren and want to make sure thay have a safe planet on which to live - stop this hatred and get back to dealing with the things that matter.  Currently nothing matters more than climate change and reducing human being's massive consumption of the planet's resources.

 

I await vitriolic replies from a certain sector who I fear will never learn - let's see.

Edited August 27, 2023 by MangoKorat

[owl sees all]

5 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I thought Asean Now was anti disinformation/fake news/conspiracy theories?

 

This 'polarisation' between Americans must be causing so many problems for both the USA as a whole and at more local levels.  What would have previously been perceived as normal political differences appears to have been turned into hatred.

 

Polarisation may not be new and is not exclusive to the USA but looking from the outside in, I would lay the blame for what's going on there solely at the feet of one person - Donald Trump.  Those who support him, don't seem to realise that they are being played - those against him react with their own attacks.

 

Just stop it and get on with sorting out your country's problems - in other words, return to normal politics and stop making every issue personal

 

Here in the UK, we were going down the slippery slope of polarisation again fueled by one lunatic who much of the population loved.  Thankfully his party finally got rid of him a few months back and we are now slowly returning to normal politics.

 

Quite how people believe in and support these massively populist figures in the first place is difficult to understand - as neither of them use any particularly truthful or scientific elements in their policies. What they seemed to rely on to promote their cause was to portray plain and simple hatred of their political opponents.  What their supporters didn't seem to realise was that their 'leaders' 'causes' were more centralised on promoting their persona and achieving 'greatness' than bringing about change for the better in terms of the country as a whole - something normally expected of a political leader.  One word could be used to describe both Trump and Johnson - Narccissistic.

 

There's always going to be political differences - that's healthy and in a democracy often leads to policies that are acceptable to all political flavours.  Can't you in the USA just get back to normal politics and end this stupidity that is tearing your country apart?

 

What's worrying to me - and yes, worrying because of policies that have world wide consequences, is that the existence of Trump and the support base he generated has now lead to the emergence of others who may continue his methods long after he's gone.

 

Anyone who saw Vivek Ramaswamy's speech at the recent debate would understand what I mean - clearly anti climate change and pro business at any cost - worrying. Quite how anyone today can hold such views is totally baffling - large parts of Canada are on fire and look at Hawaii.

 

If you have any love for your grandchildren and want to make sure thay have a safe planet on which to live - stop this hatred and get back to dealing with the things that matter.  Currently nothing matters more than climate change and reducing human being's massive consumption of the planet's resources.

If only i had a bunch of roses!

[owl sees all]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That is not correct. Viruses are not part of a cell that is decaying or in the process of being broken down. Viruses are separate entities from cells. They are made up of genetic material (DNA or RNA) and protein, but they do not have their own cells.

 

They need to infect a living cell in order to replicate and reproduce.

 

When a virus infects a cell, it hijacks the cell's machinery to make more copies of itself. The virus's genetic material is inserted into the cell's DNA, and the cell starts to produce proteins that are needed for the virus to replicate. The cell eventually bursts, releasing the new viruses into the environment.

So, while viruses can cause cells to decay, they are not themselves part of a decaying cell. They are separate entities that need to infect a cell in order to survive.

Can they be seen with an electron microscope?

 

Point me to a paper or study that supports what you say.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Can they be seen with an electron microscope?

 

Point me to a paper or study that supports what you say.

 

 

Yes then can be seen with an electron microscope but not a  light microscope.

 

You want a link? Yes happy to supply that for you but first you need to get your ducks in order and supply some links to these claims:

 

"The people that live with 'comorbidities' are the people most at risk if they take the jab. From the effects of the jab itself. Back in the day at medical school we called them 'underlying conditions'. After all; you wouldn't want to start cutting into them, or filling a patient with drugs, unless you knew. Same thing."