Why Do I Live Here?

[chanchao]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070712/ap_on_.../toddler_booted

It's to not have to meet people like those.

Edited July 13, 2007 by chanchao

[Luckydog]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070712/ap_on_.../toddler_booted

It's to not have to meet people like those.

What do you mean Chany boy?

Incidentally, I wish I had known about Baby Benedryl is it?

Then I would have begged or even paid, the crew to give half a bottle of the bluddy stuff to a kid that howled for 10 of the 12 hrs I was on a Plane coming to LOS recently.....

[meemiathai]

Which part of Mars is Atlanta? I am trying to see it through my telescope.

Can't be true?

[meemiathai]

Well at least we don't have to see fake smiles from the air hostess! Like we do in thailand. We at least gain honesty.

[Tippaporn]

I'm actually shocked that an airline would insist on drugging a child and a refusal would then be grounds to turn the plane around to eject those passengers. The degree to which people can take their selfishness is mindboggling.

[terry57]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070712/ap_on_.../toddler_booted

It's to not have to meet people like those.

What do you mean Chany boy?

Incidentally, I wish I had known about Baby Benedryl is it?

Then I would have begged or even paid, the crew to give half a bottle of the bluddy stuff to a kid that howled for 10 of the 12 hrs I was on a Plane coming to LOS recently.....

i feel that planes should have a sound proof section where all the people with young kids should be seated and secluded.

its a disgrace that the majority of paying punters have to be subjected to screaming kids on long haul flights and something must be done about it.

the answer is the bung them all together away from other passengers.

some people dont like this suggestion but no one will convince that i should have to put up with someones elses screaming kid, as it aint my kid is it.

you made the screaming thing, so take responsibility for it.

thank you very much.

[chanchao]

Right, though this was not about screeming kids on a long flight. Just a short hop, and you'd be expected to share it with families just like you would a bus or train or any public space really.

For Thai Airways, (and all Asian airlines actually) they're VERY good with children and really go out of their way to make it pleasant for everyone, inlcuding the kid.

This is one thing Thai Airways (and other Thai airlines and many Asian ones) do VERY well; credit where credit is due.

[terry57]

I'm actually shocked that an airline would insist on drugging a child and a refusal would then be grounds to turn the plane around to eject those passengers. The degree to which people can take their selfishness is mindboggling.

if we get the story strait tip, it is the childs parents who are being selfish by expecting paying punters to put up with there screaming kid and there is no reason on this earth that we should have to listen to a kid scream for 10 <deleted> hours.

maybe you have a good idea to solve the the problem? sorry times up and i got a brilliant idea.

let them all be together so they can listen to there kids scream and leave us other mortals in peace .

thank you very much.

[Aujuba]

I understand what you are saying about all the irritating people back there. I'm thinking of going back for a stint. When I think of dealing with some people back there I start feeling hopeless at times. Thailand isn't perfect. I have met some of the most selfish people here in LOS. Anyways, the west does have its good points. Every country has some places which are absolutely great; all you have to do is find where you should be.

When you fly economy, you end up sitting with people from all backgrounds. If you flew first class, you wouldn't complain as much. I'm just happy to fly at all.

[Tippaporn]

I'm actually shocked that an airline would insist on drugging a child and a refusal would then be grounds to turn the plane around to eject those passengers. The degree to which people can take their selfishness is mindboggling.

if we get the story strait tip, it is the childs parents who are being selfish by expecting paying punters to put up with there screaming kid and there is no reason on this earth that we should have to listen to a kid scream for 10 <deleted> hours.

maybe you have a good idea to solve the the problem? sorry times up and i got a brilliant idea.

let them all be together so they can listen to there kids scream and leave us other mortals in peace .

thank you very much.

Ah, this is certainly one of life's more serious travails! What do these same people do when faced with real problems?

[GuestHouse]

I do a tremendous amount of business travel, and as a family we have flown long haul with our children dozens of times. From my personal experience I can’t recall any flight where any children on board where causing problems to other passengers.

Babies crying with ear ache as the aircraft takes off/lands being perhaps the only example of any noticeable noise from children on any of the many flights I’ve been on.

Adults however are often a tad more bothersome.

I’ve witnessed, adults fighting, punching air crew and on one flight a couple undertaking their ‘Mile High’ practical qualifications. I was on one flight to BKK on which a guy was read the 'air act' and arrested on arrival for 'taking matters in hand' - presumably unable to control his anticipation of things to come.

On a BA flight to BKK, a guy trying to smash one of the windows. On another flight across France the aircraft having to be put down at a provincial airport to off load two drunk women who where fighting. I’ve seen couples in the throws of a violent ‘domestic’ and a host of other ‘adults’ behaving like nutters – almost always drunk.

My conclusion is, that children are perhaps the best passengers.

[Prakanong]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070712/ap_on_.../toddler_booted

It's to not have to meet people like those.

What do you mean Chany boy?

Incidentally, I wish I had known about Baby Benedryl is it?

Then I would have begged or even paid, the crew to give half a bottle of the bluddy stuff to a kid that howled for 10 of the 12 hrs I was on a Plane coming to LOS recently.....

I really hate when sitting at the pointy end when kids are brought in - its wasted on them ;-)

My best pal used to get first class tickets for his two kids, himself and his wife. The maid got economy.

He hate flying with kids so much he used to let the maid sit in First to entertain the kids and he would go to economy but when it was meal time he took his tray to First, gave the economy food to the maid and had the first class meal - pure class.

He loved Virgin airways to Tokyo though - he stayed in the upper class there as the hosties would entertain the kids away from everybody the whole trip

[tijnebijn]

And I thought a guy smoking in the plane was something like a happening . Guesthouses experience surtenly eclipses any worse scenario i can think of . I expect it did not happen on business class while travelling .

I think they should abandon , forbid alcohol on every flight , would help a lot.

[Prakanong]

And I thought a guy smoking in the plane was something like a happening . Guesthouses experience surtenly eclipses any worse scenario i can think of . I expect it did not happen on business class while travelling .

I think they should abandon , forbid alcohol on every flight , would help a lot.

Yeah - remind me not to board a flight with GH

I have seen one guy arrested on landing at Heathrow when he should have been offloaded at BKK it was obvious but apart from that not much and I fly a lot as well.

Never really had too much noise from kids though - yeah like GH says the ears on take off and landing but thats about all.

[JetsetBkk]

if we get the story strait tip, it is the childs parents who are being selfish by expecting paying punters to put up with there screaming kid and there is no reason on this earth that we should have to listen to a kid scream for 10 <deleted> hours.

maybe you have a good idea to solve the the problem? sorry times up and i got a brilliant idea.

let them all be together so they can listen to there kids scream and leave us other mortals in peace .

thank you very much.

"their"

Ear plugs and headphones work for me.

Thank you very much.

[MikeRay]

Travelling with kids isn´t and wasn´t ever fun. Not for my parents or anyones parents but sometimes necessary.

If my wife wouldn´t be a Thai citizen I´d never travel for so many hours with my 3 kids. It´s no fun to them and neither to us. But someone should tell me to drug my children and I´d have to pay a fortune for landing the airplane in the middle of nowhere

[eek]

woah some of the comments here seem really harsh.

I had no idea so many would condone the behaviour of the flight attendent,

Kiddies and babies can be annoying in flights, even more-so i think for their parents. Must be very hard to try settle an upset child. But, in the OP article, the child just seemed a little excited. Annoying perhaps, but not enough to warrent the mother being spoken to like that and then made to leave. Seems like the hostess was abusing her abilities, rather than being reasonable.

Seperate sections would be fantastic, but then i would want a ton of people compartmentalized, esp the non-stop yackers. In the mean time i never take a flight without earplugs and headphones. Has saved my sanity on many a flight.

Edit: on UK trains they have 'quiet' compartments. One or two compartments reserved for no mobile phones, no loud noises or music, and quiet conversations. Its bliss. Heaven would be flights that have the same!

Edited July 13, 2007 by eek

[Tippaporn]

I once lived near one of the world's busiest airports and had a commuter/freight railroad within a stone's throw of my apartment. Yet the apartment complex was to my liking in many important ways and I chose it despite the noise pollution. Nothing is ever perfect so you just block out aspects that don't please you and focus on what's pleasant. Some people just can't seem to accomplish this and feel compelled to focus all of their attention on the slightest of irritations until they drive themselves crazy. Then they complain that someone else is doing it to them.

Nor do they look for solutions, though they are available. As I asked earlier, what do these people do when confronted with real problems and not just annoyances?

[toasted]

Tippaporn - Your post is very accurate. I agree wholeheartedly.

As a parent of two children I can tell you that most parents are all too aware of the noise their children can make, and will frantically do what they can to quieten their kids. Looks of anger from other passengers only serve to stress out the parents further, and the children pick up on this and react with even more crying, and so the situation is exacerbated.

Unfortunately, I have witnessed parents who let their children run around the plane like it's a playground, but please spare a thought for the majority of parents of a crying child on a plane - they probably feel worse about it than you do.

[Goldenbead]

The treatment that woman recieved was shocking. I don't enjoy hearing children cry constantly on a plane but that is part of it. It is a temporary situation.

I have four children and when they were younger, travelling with them was stressful. They didn't cause huge disturbances but we were constantly stressed out trying to make sure they didn't.

That woman and child had as much right to travel as anyone else. Not good!

[sukanyacondo]

I understand what you are saying about all the irritating people back there. I'm thinking of going back for a stint. When I think of dealing with some people back there I start feeling hopeless at times. Thailand isn't perfect. I have met some of the most selfish people here in LOS. Anyways, the west does have its good points. Every country has some places which are absolutely great; all you have to do is find where you should be.

When you fly economy, you end up sitting with people from all backgrounds. If you flew first class, you wouldn't complain as much. I'm just happy to fly at all.

Not true came business class this time and had some woman with a huge GOB spouting crap all the way. She was such a loud mouthed bore I wanted to get up and stuff one of the pillows in her mouth. Money does not make you polite or thinking about other peoples feelings before your own.

[eek]

I do feel for you toasted. I can only imagine how difficult it is.

Imo the UK is a rather child unfriendly place, esp in London. One peep and the glowers that parents get is unsettling. Some areas of Europe are similar. Its a somewhat 'children should be seen and not heard' mentality. Impossible.

In latin countries and developing countries the attitude seems more child friendly. In Argentina people are almost like a one big family when it comes to kids. On the beaches if a child goes missing they parents clap while walking along the beach front, and everyone who hears it stands up and claps too until the child is found. Its a wonderful caring attitude.

Defies logic why some people are so spiteful. We were all kids once.

[toasted]

Thanks Eek, but actually so far my kids have been good as gold (fortunately), but I've seen other parents struggle and felt for them when others have been glowering at them.

[Tippaporn]

Defies logic why some people are so spiteful. We were all kids once.

Many people have forgotten this, eek.

[mrtoad]

I think thos that codone the actions of the flight attendent should hang their heads in shame.

I have taken my children on planes before, and at times they have been naughty. It is embarrasing, and I am pretty certain that most parents feel the same way. What they certainly don't deserve is to be demonised for taking their child on a plane. At that age, you just don't know how they are going to behave or what they are going to do, but it's hardly the end of the world.

Believe me, I have been on plenty of long haul flights and have had to endure noisey children. Irritating it can be, but I just remember that I was once a child and I also have my own children.

It's sad world, when people tolerate lies, corruption, greed, murder, bigotry etc, but can't deal with a small child making a bit of noise.

[vegas]

Those people that are irritated by crying children on flights are the same people that moan on this site about Thai's walking too slowly, poor service in restaurants, the weather etc. In short whiners. If things bother you to such an extent that you have to take your moaning public then simply don't go out, get a big mirror and sit in front of it and snivel to yourself.

I've taken over 200 flights all over the world and can only think of one occasion where a child bothered me. I simply had a few glasses of wine, ignored it and went to sleep. I recently took my 7 month daughter on a flight to Australia and back and she cried a little but teh BA staff were fantastic and not one of the passengers complained. It doesn't surprise me that the majority of these sorts of stories come from the country that is least tolerant of other races.

[kmart]

Earplugs and headphones are good. But I once had one endearing little scamp throw up on me as a finale to his screaming fit. That was nice. His doting parents coo'ed and tut-tutted at his hysterics whilst I sought peace of mind and tranquility by imagining him being jettisoned from the lane at 30,000ft, and his chubby little frame landing on some distant barn down below.