Dizzy, headache.

[GarryP]

On 9/3/2023 at 10:54 PM, DavisH said:

Buy your own blood pressure meter and measure it at home. Measure in the morning (several times), before lunch and after going to the toilet. And also in the evening. Doctor clinic readings can be elevated for many people (mine are). 

Yep. White coat syndrome. Blood pressure always higher at hospital than at home. Seems I'm a bit like @Neeranam Slightly elevated blood pressure, but not serious and low resting heart rate (Just seen the latest post and it would seem that low blood presure is involved). According to my fitness tracker, which I recently invested in due to similar concerns, my average resting heart rate over the last 7 days 49 bpm. While low resting heart rates are not uncommon especially in fit people, it is quite unusual to have low resting heart rate and high blood pressure. In my case it would appear to be genetic as my father is the same.  After a few blackouts when he was 88 or 89, he had a pacemaker installed. 

Edited September 21, 2023 by GarryP

[Sheryl]

@Neeranam

 

If I recall correctly you are in Hua Hin.

 

I have no specific feedback on this doctor but may be a place to at least start. He has a private clinic in the evenings and is also at Bangkok Hua Hin And Hua Hin Sao Paolo hospitals.

 

https://www.huahinheart.com/en/

 

Clinic opens at 5 today but will be closed tomorrow . Suggest yo ugo today. Be sure to bring the record of your heart rates and BPS and stress to him that you have trouble standing for more than 15 minutes due to dizziness.

 

Let me know how it goes.,

[Ben Zioner]

On 9/4/2023 at 8:21 AM, fredwiggy said:

He's actually a little right about running being a bad activity.

More than that, I have seen several studies and articles saying the senior males slightly overweight and normally active have a better life expectancy than those with lower BMI and exercising intensively.

 

Also intense exercise under high temperature bears a lot more risk than exercise in cold conditions. I used to have a massive burden of PVCs with hours of Bigeminy which resolved when I reduced my load and exercised only 3 o 4 days a week. I seems  that of  electrolytes depletion needs more than a day to resolve. Forgot to say that one of the cause of arrhythmias is  electrolyte imbalance.

[Neeranam]

On 9/21/2023 at 11:38 AM, Sheryl said:

You should take these readings to a good  cardiologist as soon as possible.  Will need an EKG, rhythm strip (like EKG but longer) and likely an echocardiogram.  Definitely something is wrong. 

I took the readings to show the heart specialist at Bangkok Hospital.

I got an EKG test but the doctor didn't think I needed one, also got a copy of it, if anyone wants to see. It was the same as last year he said. He said if I wanted I could get a echocardiogram but he didn't recommend it and I got the feeling he thought I was a hypochondriac, which may well be true. Good thing, he talked to me for ages, unlike some other quacks I've seen recently. Talked about family history, my grandfather died of heart disease, my mother has atrial fibrillation, which seemingly I don't have. Basically, he said I was fit and not to worry, it could have been due to not drinking enough, or drinking too much, sodium levels I think.

I wonder if anything is psychosomatic as I did feel more dizzy the day after I bought the blood pressure monitor, and felt much better after seeing the doctor! 

[Sheryl]

17 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I took the readings to show the heart specialist at Bangkok Hospital.

I got an EKG test but the doctor didn't think I needed one, also got a copy of it, if anyone wants to see. It was the same as last year he said. He said if I wanted I could get a echocardiogram but he didn't recommend it and I got the feeling he thought I was a hypochondriac, which may well be true. Good thing, he talked to me for ages, unlike some other quacks I've seen recently. Talked about family history, my grandfather died of heart disease, my mother has atrial fibrillation, which seemingly I don't have. Basically, he said I was fit and not to worry, it could have been due to not drinking enough, or drinking too much, sodium levels I think.

I wonder if anything is psychosomatic as I did feel more dizzy the day after I bought the blood pressure monitor, and felt much better after seeing the doctor! 

 Did the cardiologist do BP and pulse readings lying down then standing up? What was your BP when there?

 

And what brand of home BP machine did you buy?

[ExpatOilWorker]

9 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 Did the cardiologist do BP and pulse readings lying down then standing up? What was your BP when there?

 

And what brand of home BP machine did you buy?

I am also considering getting a home BP monitor, but unsure which one. Can you recommend one?

Is the below OMRON HEM-7120 a good choice?

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[Sheryl]

3 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

I am also considering getting a home BP monitor, but unsure which one. Can you recommend one?

Is the below OMRON HEM-7120 a good choice?

Check out OMRON HEM-7120 เครื่องวัดความดัน(Cuff22-32cm...at 20% off!฿1,318.00 only!Get it on Lazada now! | https://s.lazada.co.th/s.PcF5i

Yes. Any Omron band of hte type that wraps around the arm (as opposed to wrist device) is good.

[Sticky Rice Balls]

On 9/3/2023 at 7:10 PM, save the frogs said:

I'm not saying don't do any exercise, just choose a different one. 

dangit.....crawls slowly back off couch.....logs back in.......thinks of something witty to say.....

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 Did the cardiologist do BP and pulse readings lying down then standing up? What was your BP when there?

 

And what brand of home BP machine did you buy?

Actually, I only got my blood pressure taken by the nurse when I went into the room to get the EKG. I was lying down. It was 124/85.strange as all previous visits there I got blood pressure taken, weight, height etc. 

The doctor looked at the readings I gave earlier and when I was sitting listened to my heart and took my pulse.

I've taken BP when standing up after a nap in the afternoon and they are different to in the morning, pretty normal, about 110/72, 114/80

Could this be something to do with when I eat? My last meal of the day is about 1 pm. Blood sugar? 

I've a feeling it was initially dehydration then maybe I drank too much water. 

I'll eat tonight and try again in the morning. 

[Neeranam]

On 9/23/2023 at 2:33 PM, Sheryl said:

Did the cardiologist do BP and pulse readings lying down then standing up? What was your BP when there?

I've just been to the government hospital, premium service. I still feel dizzy and I got a chest Xray, EKG and a thorough doctor's consultation all for 800 baht. 

I don't know why I still go to Bkk hospital, they are dreadful. The doctor I say at Hua Hin Hospital was very good and said all my blood tests are normal, as well as liver tests. Also chest Xray was clear, unlike at Bkk hosp, who told me I had asthma, then COPD, then emphysema.

 

Summary, my pulse was only 41 when getting EKG. She wants to do more tests before investigating if it is a nervous system issue affecting the auto-regulation of the pulse and dizziness. 

If dizziness persists, might need 24 hour observation. 

So see the heart specialist at the premium centre  in a month and also any further tests I can use my social insurance! 

[GarryP]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I've just been to the government hospital, premium service. I still feel dizzy and I got a chest Xray, EKG and a thorough doctor's consultation all for 800 baht. 

I don't know why I still go to Bkk hospital, they are dreadful. The doctor I say at Hua Hin Hospital was very good and said all my blood tests are normal, as well as liver tests. Also chest Xray was clear, unlike at Bkk hosp, who told me I had asthma, then COPD, then emphysema.

 

Summary, my pulse was only 41 when getting EKG. She wants to do more tests before investigating if it is a nervous system issue affecting the auto-regulation of the pulse and dizziness. 

If dizziness persists, might need 24 hour observation. 

So see the heart specialist at the premium centre  in a month and also any further tests I can use my social insurance! 

My father started having dizzy/light headed spells resulting in a few falls and as a result had a pacemaker fitted, but that was when he was 88 or 89. He had always had a low resting heart rate and I'm in the same boat. According to my fitness watch, it sometimes drops to 44 and my resting rate is now 50. On top of that, I do take 5mg amlodopine for blood pressure and occasionally feel lightheaded if I bend over and quickly stand up straight again.  Hence my interest in this thread.

 

It must be quite stressful, but as you are actively doing something about your health issue, I'm sure things will work out for you.  

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, GarryP said:

My father started having dizzy/light headed spells resulting in a few falls and as a result had a pacemaker fitted, but that was when he was 88 or 89. He had always had a low resting heart rate and I'm in the same boat. According to my fitness watch, it sometimes drops to 44 and my resting rate is now 50. On top of that, I do take 5mg amlodopine for blood pressure and occasionally feel lightheaded if I bend over and quickly stand up straight again.  Hence my interest in this thread.

 

It must be quite stressful, but as you are actively doing something about your health issue, I'm sure things will work out for you.  

Thanks for the reply, mate. 

I was speaking to my mother yesterday and she told me she has problems with sodium levels and has atrial fibrillation. Seems I have the latter.

It's less worrying now as I had thought a TIA had maybe happened or was coming but the doctor doesn't think so.  She said she wouldn't give me medicine today until further tests were done, 

[Neeranam]

On 9/21/2023 at 12:11 PM, Sheryl said:

@Neeranam

 

If I recall correctly you are in Hua Hin.

 

I have no specific feedback on this doctor but may be a place to at least start. He has a private clinic in the evenings and is also at Bangkok Hua Hin And Hua Hin Sao Paolo hospitals.

 

https://www.huahinheart.com/en/

 

Clinic opens at 5 today but will be closed tomorrow . Suggest yo ugo today. Be sure to bring the record of your heart rates and BPS and stress to him that you have trouble standing for more than 15 minutes due to dizziness.

 

Let me know how it goes.,

Thanks. 

 

I just got results of a 24 heart monitor thing and an echo cardiogram. There is nothing to worry about said the doc. 36-130 was the pulse range.  Not sure why it could have reached so high. 

 

The dizziness has gone, blood pressure back to normal and the only thing I've changed is drinking 1.5 l of water a day with electrolytes in it. Before I never really drank any water, just the occasional soda. 

My mother has a problem with sodium levels, maybe I am the same, however the blood test said otherwise. 

Also got a blood test for thyroid yesterday and that is normal. 

[bignok]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Thanks. 

 

I just got results of a 24 heart monitor thing and an echo cardiogram. There is nothing to worry about said the doc. 36-130 was the pulse range.  Not sure why it could have reached so high. 

 

The dizziness has gone, blood pressure back to normal and the only thing I've changed is drinking 1.5 l of water a day with electrolytes in it. Before I never really drank any water, just the occasional soda. 

My mother has a problem with sodium levels, maybe I am the same, however the blood test said otherwise. 

Also got a blood test for thyroid yesterday and that is normal. 

I don't trust blood tests. My magnesium and sodium was normal yet increased does fixed my issues.

 

Dr's are con artists.

[Aforek]

On 9/3/2023 at 6:58 PM, bignok said:

Lack of sodium is my guess. You lose a lot due to exercise or sweat.

It happened for me, walking like if I was drunk ; I avoided salt , and after I spent two nights in hospital with perfusion of salt in my blood 

 

[bignok]

9 minutes ago, Aforek said:

It happened for me, walking like if I was drunk ; I avoided salt , and after I spent two nights in hospital with perfusion of salt in my blood 

 

Media told us salt was bad. All bs. Low salt is very dangerous. Hong Kong people live the longest on a high Salt diet!

[Chris Daley]

You ran 8 km?  Why would anyone do that?  It's too much to be daily exercise and a one-off marathon is dangerous.

 

Little but often is better than 8k once a year.

[Neeranam]

55 minutes ago, Aforek said:

It happened for me, walking like if I was drunk ; I avoided salt , and after I spent two nights in hospital with perfusion of salt in my blood 

 

Too little or too much salt?

[Neeranam]

44 minutes ago, Chris Daley said:

You ran 8 km?  Why would anyone do that?  It's too much to be daily exercise and a one-off marathon is dangerous.

 

Little but often is better than 8k once a year.

I run 20-25km every week. I know quite a few people who run this distance. 

[mstevens]

5 hours ago, bignok said:

I don't trust blood tests. My magnesium and sodium was normal yet increased does fixed my issues.

 

Dr's are con artists.

 

Blood tests for magnesium levels aren't helpful. If your blood shows low magnesium, it's seriously low. You need to test magnesium in the cells which is a much more expensive test and not widely offered.

[daveAustin]

First thing I would have looked at is hydration/electrolytes esp since you’ve been exercising and esp in this environment. Dehydration/electrolyte imbalance can throw up many symptoms. 
Also, perhaps your BP monitor is a bit naff or you’re technique is a bit off. Test it on your wife or friend. 
Gov hospital premium service sounds good. The clinics here are tempting because they’re quick n easy, but IME generally don’t spend enough time with people and are too eager to just give you a bag of meds. 

[cooked]

7 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

You ran 8 km?  Why would anyone do that?  It's too much to be daily exercise and a one-off marathon is dangerous.

 

Little but often is better than 8k once a year.

On what evidence do you base this statement? Most health specialists as well as WHO recommend daily exercise for a healthy longevity. Might do you good too.

[cooked]

On 9/3/2023 at 4:07 PM, nglodnig said:

Good idea - post your query on a website where there is a team of medical experts online who can diagnose you instantly and give you the correct advice.

 

GO TO A DOCTOR

 

(Sheryl excepted of course ???? )

Some of us lost faith in doctors during and since the Covid panic. I certainly would go to a doctor if I was worried about my health, but collecting anecdotal reports from people you don't know can be useful. Being a sneering, mocking oaf doesn't help anyone. Are you a sneerer? 

[nglodnig]

32 minutes ago, cooked said:

Being a sneering, mocking oaf doesn't help anyone. Are you a sneerer? 

I wouldn't describe myself as that but am struggling to find a suitable description of your post that is within forum rules.  "Pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind - also "takes one to know one".  I can think of a few more. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by nglodnig

[billd766]

15 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

You ran 8 km?  Why would anyone do that?  It's too much to be daily exercise and a one-off marathon is dangerous.

 

Little but often is better than 8k once a year.

Some people run for enjoyment, others run for health reasons, some people run 26 km marathons for charity.

 

How do YOU know it was a one off and why do YOU think it is too much to be a daily exercise. Are YOU a qualified doctor or a specialist?

 

Everybody is different. What is too much exercise for one person, may not be enough for another person of the same age.

 

Nobody wakes up one morning , never having exercised before, and decides to run an 8 km marathon.

 

Exercise is like a tree. A tree starts off small and over time, the tree grows larger.

 

Exercise is similar, at least for me.

 

I am 79 and never did any exercise before. 4 months ago I started doing the UK NHS exercises and now I do about 1 hour per evening but I started slowly. I also cut the grass and do odd jobs during the day for about 1 1/2 hours.

 

I listen to my body and when it says that it has had enough, then I stop and rest, no matter what I am doing.

 

[Aforek]

16 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Too little or too much salt?

too little

[BigStar]

11 hours ago, cooked said:

I certainly would go to a doctor if I was worried about my health

 

I believe in annual checkups. Most years I just go to a lab, however. But this year Phyathai Sriricha had great Father's Day special, B15000 package discounted to B5000 w/ CT calcium

and abdomen ultrasound.

 

11 hours ago, cooked said:

collecting anecdotal reports from people you don't know can be useful

 

Can be. I think the prostrate threads on here have been useful. After hearing @ThaiPauly's story, I'll never get TURP, that's for sure.

 

 

 

 

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, billd766 said:

I listen to my body and when it says that it has had enough, then I stop and rest, no matter what I am doing.

Wise

[Lee65]

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Edited December 8, 2023 by Lee65
realized this thread is old