Biden biographer says it ‘wouldn’t be a total shock’ if president drops out of 2024 race

[candide]

1 hour ago, bignok said:

Welcome back then.

Welcoming yourself now?

[bignok]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Welcoming yourself now?

Talking to you.

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Biden is a better health risk than Trump even though Trump is a tad bit older.

Brain fart. Yes Biden is older.

 

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-09-biden-trump-super-agers.html

Biden is expected to outlive Trump, even though he is three years older. In the paper, the researchers note Biden's "nearly perfect health profile for a man his age," compared with Trump's "significant but modifiable" negative risk factors.

Edited September 4, 2023 by Jingthing

[bignok]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Brain fart. Yes Biden is older.

 

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-09-biden-trump-super-agers.html

Biden is expected to outlive Trump, even though he is three years older. In the paper, the researchers note Biden's "nearly perfect health profile for a man his age," compared with Trump's "significant but modifiable" negative risk factors.

Written by a Democrat? Biden looks nearly dead. Trump is heaps fitter.

[bignok]

Tim Scott should be VP

[cdnvic]

Several posts contravening our community standards were removed. No need for personal attacks.

[BusyB]

19 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Laying the groundwork for retirement.

 

Let's hope so. Better late than never. The US needs some fresh blood in it's politics, too many 70+ out of touch millionaires running the place at the moment (and yes, I do include the Don in that).

Yeah it's a bit reminiscent of the Soviet Union before they finally chose a younger man with Gorbachev. Remember Andropov and all the other fossils in the politburo, all dying almost the moment they were 'elected'?

Edited September 4, 2023 by BusyB

[BusyB]

4 hours ago, bignok said:

Written by a Democrat? Biden looks nearly dead. Trump is heaps fitter.

When you get to 80 if you're normal and healthy your skin does get thinner and more parchment like, you look more gaunt and start to resemble the grim reaper who's lurking a bit nearer down the road somewhere.

 

Trump doesn't look 'fitter'. He's simply padded out by his obesity. And mentally he's a catastrophe which Biden isn't.

Edited September 4, 2023 by BusyB

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, BusyB said:

When you get to 80 if you're normal and healthy your skin does get thinner and more parchment like, you look more gaunt and start to resemble the grim reaper who's lurking a bit nearer down the road somewhere.

 

Trump doesn't look 'fitter'. He's simply padded out by his obesity. And mentally he's a catastrophe which Biden isn't.

Watching the 2 on stage talking, walking, Trump just looks much healthier and more energetic. As you get older a bit of padding helps to make an old man look healthier. And Trump outshines ole biden on the cognitive stage.

[impulse]

20 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Impeachment?  Republicans will first have to figure out what they're impeaching Joe Biden for.  It will have to be a charge that doesn't require evidence as they clearly don't have any. 

One of the reasons I'm grateful for the right wing coconut telegraph is that, even if they occasionally botch up connecting the dots, they publish the dots.  The "dots" being the evidence.  Like bank records.  

 

https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/09/house-oversight-hunter-biden-millions-russian-ukrainian-oligarchs/

[LaosLover]

23 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

 — he’s buried in details. He’s somebody who is very technocratic, really obsessed with the intricacies of policy. He’s a very activist president in that he micromanages a lot of the dealings in the White House”

 

FULL STORY

Short version: He's a democrat.

 

Democrats favor analysis, hire more analysts, do more studies, have more public outreach to solicit opinions.

 

Republicans think analysis is very suspect (or in Fox-speak, a "narrative"). They constantly assert that someone having no experience is a great thing.

 

This is the principle divide: people who favor analysis and people who attack it.

[Skipalongcassidy]

5 minutes ago, LaosLover said:

Short version: He's a democrat.

 

Democrats favor analysis, hire more analysts, do more studies, have more public outreach to solicit opinions.

 

Republicans think analysis is very suspect (or in Fox-speak, a "narrative"). They constantly assert that someone having no experience is a great thing.

 

This is the principle divide: people who favor analysis and people who attack it.

Your broad stroke brush is indicative of your obvious bias... such drivel

[LaosLover]

Your leg humping reminds me of a German Shepard we had to put down.

 

Was Fattie prone to report-reading?

 

Didn't they have to show him pictures and simple pie charts instead?

Do democrats or republicans hire more analysts? 

 

Are you the sniffiest crybaby in Trump Trash-dom?

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by LaosLover

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9 hours ago, impulse said:

One of the reasons I'm grateful for the right wing coconut telegraph is that, even if they occasionally botch up connecting the dots, they publish the dots.  The "dots" being the evidence.  Like bank records.  

 

https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/09/house-oversight-hunter-biden-millions-russian-ukrainian-oligarchs/

And you can see how misleading the Daily Caller is when you delve a bit into the allegations. For instance, Elena Baturina is described as a Russian oligarch. It's true she is ethnically Russian. But, in fact, she left Russia in about 2010 after her family fell from favor.

 

• "Russia's second wealthiest woman, Elena Baturina, was married to Yury Luzkhkov, who was the mayor of Moscow for years.
• In 2010, Luzhkov was removed from the mayor's post; Baturina and their daughters left the country.
• Baturina soon sold almost all of her assets in Russia including a construction company called Inteko and a cement factories."
• https://www.forbes.com/profile/elena-baturina/?sh=483c25d23c29

 

The Russian government subsequently filed criminal charges against her. I'm not going to debates the merits of their cases, but the fact is she is on the outs with the Russian govt. So calling her Russian without explaining her status vis-a-vis the Russian Govt at the time she sent Hunter Biden payment is clearly misleading.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by placeholder

[impulse]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You'll note how in the minds of certain parties, the part that says "and their associates" has somehow never managed to gain any traction in their consciousness and has morphed to the Biden family has received over $20 million in payments.

Yeah, but that's just one of many dots.  Taken individually, they could all probably be explained away.  But in totality, they paint a pretty crooked picture.

 

The one incident that's going to hang him is bragging about using a $ billion in tax money to get a prosecutor fired.  The one that was investigating the company paying his son a $ million a year.  Followed by an FD-1023 alleging he and Hunter each took away a cool $5MM, from the CEO of Hunter's employer who was being investigated by the fired prosecutor.    Add that to Hunter's email to his sister complaining about having to give Pops 50% of his income, and you don't need anything else to prove Joe was up to his eyeballs in corruption.   With that e-mail, he provided the direct link implicating his father.  Even if Joe declined to be "The Big Guy", of course he doesn't want a paper trail when he's already getting the benefit from his kid.

 

Obama was right about Joe's ability to goober things up.  He certainly doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut.

Which has nothing to do with anything.  But I still bet Joe doesn't make it to November, 2024.  He's going to have an "episode" to make the impeachment go away.  And part of the deal will be a pardon for Hunter.

Edited September 5, 2023 by impulse

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19 minutes ago, impulse said:

Yeah, but that's just one of many dots.  Taken individually, they could all probably be explained away.  But in totality, they paint a pretty crooked picture.

 

The one incident that's going to hang him is bragging about using a $ billion in tax money to get a prosecutor fired.  The one that was investigating the company paying his son a $ million a year.  Followed by an FD-1023 alleging he and Hunter each took away a cool $5MM, from the CEO of Hunter's employer who was being investigated by the fired prosecutor.    Add that to Hunter's email to his sister complaining about having to give Pops 50% of his income, and you don't need anything else to prove Joe was up to his eyeballs in corruption.   With that e-mail, he provided the direct link implicating his father.  Even if Joe declined to be "The Big Guy", of course he doesn't want a paper trail when he's already getting the benefit from his kid.

 

 

One incident that is definitely not going to hang him is using 1 billiln dollars to get that corrupt prosecutor fired. Joe Biden was carrying out U.S. policy in getting Viktor Shokin fired. And the EU also applauded him for getting rid of Shokin. Devon Archers testified to the House Committee that Biden confessed he had no pull with his father but was promoting a false narrative to Burisma that he had some influence over him. In order to gain credit he didn't deserve.  Archer also told the House Committee that he was told by associates that the CEO of Burisma had Shokin under control and that the firing of Shokin was actually bad for Burisma.  Shokin's staff told investigators that Shokin was lying about being engaged in an investigation of Burism. In fac Shokin was not investigating any oligarchs at all but was engaged in actively prosecuting anti-corruption groups in Ukraine. When 2 investigators in Shokin's office were found to be in possession of inexplicably large amounts of cash and jewelry, Shokin fired the prosecutor investigating them. An FD-1023 report is a hearsay report. The FBI investigated it at the time when Trump was still President and found nothing.

 

As for the 50% claim. Hunter Biden wrote that when he was either 49 or 50. That would mean since he was 20 years old, he was giving his father 50% of his income. Does that seem believable?  Clearly this is someone complaining about being asked to contribute to the upkeep of a property and engaging in hyperbole. There are financial records to support Hunter Biden's contributions to that upkeep but absolutely no records to support any transfers of large amounts of cash to his father.

 

You've got nothing.

[ozimoron]

22 hours ago, impulse said:

Remind me, how much Ukrainian territory did Russia take on Obama's (D) watch, how much did they take on Trump's (R) watch, and how much have they taken so far under Biden's (D) watch?

 

Remind us how long it takes to mobilize an invasion of that magnitude.

[candide]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Yeah, but that's just one of many dots.  Taken individually, they could all probably be explained away.  But in totality, they paint a pretty crooked picture.

 

The one incident that's going to hang him is bragging about using a $ billion in tax money to get a prosecutor fired.  The one that was investigating the company paying his son a $ million a year.  Followed by an FD-1023 alleging he and Hunter each took away a cool $5MM, from the CEO of Hunter's employer who was being investigated by the fired prosecutor.    Add that to Hunter's email to his sister complaining about having to give Pops 50% of his income, and you don't need anything else to prove Joe was up to his eyeballs in corruption.   With that e-mail, he provided the direct link implicating his father.  Even if Joe declined to be "The Big Guy", of course he doesn't want a paper trail when he's already getting the benefit from his kid.

 

Obama was right about Joe's ability to goober things up.  He certainly doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut.

Which has nothing to do with anything.  But I still bet Joe doesn't make it to November, 2024.  He's going to have an "episode" to make the impeachment go away.  And part of the deal will be a pardon for Hunter.

Only if, as usual, you connect only the dots you like and ignore the ones you don't like.

1. The position of the Obama administration has always been to complain about Burisma not being effectively investigated, before and after the nomination of Shokin as prosecutor general

Feb. 3, 2015 — Obama administration conveys harsh criticism of Ukraine Prosecutor General’s Office for its coverup of Zlochevskiy/Burisma

Feb. 10, 2015  – Viktor Shokin takes office as Ukraine’s prosecutor general"

Sept. 24, 2015 – U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt excoriates officials in the Prosecutor General’s Office for stymying anti-corruption investigations, including those involving Burisma

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

 

2. As to Hunter complaining about having given a lot of money (while asking his sister to give him money, hmmm....), here's what the right-wing NYPost reported:

There were $1,239 in repairs to an air conditioner at “mom-mom’s cottage,” and another $1,475 to a painter for “back wall and columns at the lake house.” There was also another $2,600 for fixing up a “stone retaining wall at the lake” and $475 “for shutters.” ????

.........

"There’s also evidence Joe Biden sometimes reimbursed his son."

https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/hunter-biden-frequently-covered-family-expenses-texts-reveal/

 

But don't let facts get in the way of a good MAGA story, right?

 

 

[n00dle]

On 9/4/2023 at 8:25 AM, Social Media said:

“I would say it would, it would be a surprise to me. But it wouldn’t be a total surprise,” Foer said, adding that “it wouldn’t be a total shock.”

id be bloody surprised if he lives that long

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

id be bloody surprised if he lives that long

Because of his age? He's not even 80. How long do you think people live these days? Are you 12?

[n00dle]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Because of his age? He's not even 80. How long do you think people live these days? Are you 12?

I actually know 80 year olds that seem far more alert and well spoken. 

Besides, just becuse pople live longer, doesnt mean that government is the place for septegenerians. I would like to think that the president of the united states of Murca can actually handle a few late nights without risk of health issues.

 

im all for capping presidential age at 65. Biden (and Trump) is from a different era, he has no place determining the future. 

  

[candide]

49 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Remind us how long it takes to mobilize an invasion of that magnitude.

Not to mention the devastating effect of Covid in Russia in 2020/2021.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/13/russias-population-undergoes-largest-ever-peacetime-decline

[Nick Carter icp]

17 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Because of his age? He's not even 80. How long do you think people live these days? Are you 12?

The average life expectancy in the USA is 76 years and four months 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

The average life expectancy in the USA is 76 years and four months 

He's white and rich, stop cherry picking.

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He's white and rich, stop cherry picking.

The figure that I gave WAS for White people 

(Life expectancy for Black people is 70 years old and for Hispanics its 77 years old)

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The figure that I gave WAS for White people 

(Life expectancy for Black people is 70 years old and for Hispanics its 77 years old)

No it's not and as usual you never post links to fake claims. The current US ave life expectancy is 77 years,

 

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/whats-behind-shocking-u-s-life-expectancy-decline-and-what-to-do-about-it/

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by ozimoron

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

No it's not and as usual you never post links to fake claims. The current US ave life expectancy is 77 years,

 

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/whats-behind-shocking-u-s-life-expectancy-decline-and-what-to-do-about-it/

 

Here's a link here 

 

 

Provisional data from 2021 show that overall life expectancy across all racial/ethnic groups was 76.1 years (Figure 14). Life expectancy for Black people was only 70.8 years compared to 76.4 years for White people and 77.7 years for Hispanic people.

 

 

https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/report/key-data-on-health-and-health-care-by-race-and-ethnicity/#:~:text=Provisional data from 2021 show,77.7 years for Hispanic people.

 

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27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The average life expectancy in the USA is 76 years and four months 

Yes, starting at birth. But that moves up with every year of life someone achieves. We're talking about the average life expectancy of a well-to-do educated white male aged who will be aged 82 if he wins a second term.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Here's a link here 

 

 

Provisional data from 2021 show that overall life expectancy across all racial/ethnic groups was 76.1 years (Figure 14). Life expectancy for Black people was only 70.8 years compared to 76.4 years for White people and 77.7 years for Hispanic people.

 

 

https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/report/key-data-on-health-and-health-care-by-race-and-ethnicity/#:~:text=Provisional data from 2021 show,77.7 years for Hispanic people.

 

Average life expectancy is a misleading indicator as it includes early deaths in the calculation (ex infant deaths, people who died before old age from disease, accident, crime, drug, etc...). The life expectancy of someone who is not already dead is higher than the average life expectancy.

[ozimoron]

25 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Here's a link here 

 

 

Provisional data from 2021 show that overall life expectancy across all racial/ethnic groups was 76.1 years (Figure 14). Life expectancy for Black people was only 70.8 years compared to 76.4 years for White people and 77.7 years for Hispanic people.

 

 

https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/report/key-data-on-health-and-health-care-by-race-and-ethnicity/#:~:text=Provisional data from 2021 show,77.7 years for Hispanic people.

 

I said rich and white. Try this statistic instead if you want to focus on reality.

 

 

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/1/9/16860994/life-expectancy-us-income-inequality