Popular Post Red Phoenix Posted September 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2023 PFIZER - Covid-Vax contract with South-Africa finally released by court-order And the conditions that Pfizer imposed on South Africa to provide them with their product are staggering! No wonder that both Pfizer and the SA Public Health authorities have done everything to keep this strangle-contract from becoming public. After a long fight of more than 1 year the contract has now finally been released by court-order. The contract contains a.o. the bombshell admission by Pfizer that they have absolutely no idea of the long-term effects of their product, and that was 3 months AFTER the roll-out of the covid-shots! Dated 30 March 2021, this contract was signed a whole month after the Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Event Reports. And that report had identified a plethora of adverse events over the first few months of vaccine rollout. Here the link to the contract > https://healthjusticeinitiative.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/OCRPfizer-1_Redacted.pdf 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 covid is old news 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted September 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2023 Good that you have posted this RP. A lot of dodgy things going on with the vaxes. If one considered how long it normally takes to develop a drug, it can be of little surprise that there was - and still is not - any 'long tern data'. There could be another mutation along shortly. So best we not forget. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rattlesnake Posted September 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, save the frogs said: covid is old news The adverse effects of the Covid vaccines are very current news. 2 1 1 1 6 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, rattlesnake said: The adverse effects of the Covid vaccines are very current news. My apologies. I made a flippant remark about a complex issue. That's one of my foibles sometimes I guess. I'm staying out of this debate. I haven't been following the (alleged) adverse effects of the vaccine. Edited September 8, 2023 by save the frogs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted September 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2023 Hot air about nothing from the anti vaxxers. 2 1 1 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Red Phoenix Posted September 9, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 Needless to say, Section 5.5 < see screenshot > is not a standard provision in a government contract for goods, even in an emergency. Normally, purchasing contracts contain guarantees of performance standards. Imagine the South African government were buying generators, or solar power stations, and the seller’s contract said “we don’t know whether these generators will work, and they might even explode and take down the power grid when plugged in.” The pressure on South-Africa to sign such a strangle-hold contract must have been enormous. And it gets even worse. Section 8 of the contract is titled “Indemnification.” It says that if Pfizer is ever sued by anyone — for any reason — because of the shots, then South Africa must pay for Pfizer’s complete defense, and then pay any judgment if Pfizer loses! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said: Needless to say, Section 5.5 < see screenshot > is not a standard provision in a government contract for goods, even in an emergency. Normally, purchasing contracts contain guarantees of performance standards. Imagine the South African government were buying generators, or solar power stations, and the seller’s contract said “we don’t know whether these generators will work, and they might even explode and take down the power grid when plugged in.” The pressure on South-Africa to sign such a strangle-hold contract must have been enormous. And it gets even worse. Section 8 of the contract is titled “Indemnification.” It says that if Pfizer is ever sued by anyone — for any reason — because of the shots, then South Africa must pay for Pfizer’s complete defense, and then pay any judgment if Pfizer loses! So, quite naturally, one should ask questions. The first would be; who was putting the pressure on? Secondly; why such a lop-sided agreement? Were the government that scared of a virus hurting their people, that they gave in to these demands. Thirdly; have other governments signed the same, or similar contracts? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 11 hours ago, save the frogs said: I'm staying out of this debate. I haven't been following the (alleged) adverse effects of the vaccine. ,,,,,,the (alleged) adverse effects of the vaccine. They are real enough; not alleged. They are not adverse effects; they are direct effects. 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rattlesnake Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 3 hours ago, owl sees all said: So, quite naturally, one should ask questions. The first would be; who was putting the pressure on? Secondly; why such a lop-sided agreement? Were the government that scared of a virus hurting their people, that they gave in to these demands. Thirdly; have other governments signed the same, or similar contracts? Germany has, as the taxpayers there are currently paying for compensations to the numerous injured people. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, rattlesnake said: Germany has, as the taxpayers there are currently paying for compensations to the numerous injured people. All countries will have to pay vax injury compensation. Going by 'How Bad is my Batch'. There would seem to be different levels of toxic ingredients in different batches. From toxic, down to harmless. I see it as being a individual's well-being, in the first place, as to whether their body can deal with the ingredients. But as Dr Cahill says; everyone who has had one of the more toxic jabs will eventually have problems. Thimerosal (mercury) used to be the main adjuvant in days past, now it is generally aluminum. There are conflicting studies regarding both. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) This whole thread is a lot of anti-vax nonsense by the same familiar crowd of anti-vaxers and conspiracy theorists here... The contract conditions listed above are hardly surprising, given that Pfizer at the time, back early in the pandemic, was rolling out an entirely new vaccine on a rapid time schedule demanded by the world, even though it had already been widely tested in clinical trials. But, what ultimately matters in all this is that the COVID vaccines have worked and have saved, and continue to save, cumulatively millions of lives by protecting people from COVID death and illness... And, while there always is the possibility of side effects from any medication or vaccine, the past several years of worldwide COVID vaccine use and more than 13 BILLION doses administered worldwide have shown that serious side effects actually linked to the vaccines are very rare. Source link No Evidence Excess Deaths Linked to Vaccines, Contrary to Claims Online Posted on April 17, 2023 "COVID-19 vaccines substantially reduce the risk of dying from COVID-19, and serious side effects are very rare. Excess deaths among working-age adults in 2021 and 2022 were driven by COVID-19 and other factors, not vaccination. Faulty logic underlies claims that vaccines caused mass disability and economic harm." https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/scicheck-no-evidence-excess-deaths-linked-to-vaccines-contrary-to-claims-online/ Benefits of Vaccination Outweigh the Risks Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely rare following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. The benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Vaccines and vaccine safety 28 June 2023 "Like with any vaccine, some people will experience mild to moderate side effects after being vaccinated against COVID-19. This is a normal sign that the body is developing protection.... More serious or long-lasting side effects to COVID-19 vaccines are possible but extremely rare." https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-vaccines Edited September 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: But, what ultimately matters in all this is that the COVID vaccines have saved, and continue to save, cumulatively millions of lives by protecting people from COVID death and illness.. I think this is computer generated numbers. Imperial College London is infamous for medical forecasts. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) There are numerous studies from different soures that all conclude the same thing in various ways and various places and times -- COVID vaccines saved vast numbers of lives. April 8, 2022 / 10:13 AM Study finds U.S. COVID-19 vaccinations averted 2.2 million deaths April 8 (UPI) -- A new study published Friday found COVID-19 vaccinations have prevented 2.2 million deaths in the United States. The Commonwealth Fund study said 17 million hospitalizations were averted by the vaccines between December 12, 2020, and March 31, 2022. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2022/04/08/COVID19-commonwelath-fund-study-vaccines-prevented-millions-of-deaths/1421649425164/ etc etc etc. And those are just counting the COVID deaths that have been averted.... Before we even begin to start talking about the hospitalizations and serious illnesses averted, the costs to governments and the public health systems of those, etc etc. Edited September 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Red Phoenix said: PFIZER - Covid-Vax contract with South-Africa finally released by court-order And the conditions that Pfizer imposed on South Africa to provide them with their product are staggering! No wonder that both Pfizer and the SA Public Health authorities have done everything to keep this strangle-contract from becoming public. After a long fight of more than 1 year the contract has now finally been released by court-order. The contract contains a.o. the bombshell admission by Pfizer that they have absolutely no idea of the long-term effects of their product, and that was 3 months AFTER the roll-out of the covid-shots! Dated 30 March 2021, this contract was signed a whole month after the Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Event Reports. And that report had identified a plethora of adverse events over the first few months of vaccine rollout. Here the link to the contract > https://healthjusticeinitiative.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/OCRPfizer-1_Redacted.pdf How this is a surprise to anyone, is the amazing part. Remember, so "Safe & Effective", the big pharm, companies, CDC/FDA got the definition of vaccine changed. In the USA anyway ... the "vaccines", basically a pre-exposure prophylaxis” or “PrEP”, re-classed as a vaccine, which falls under a different set of rules (liability/compensation) and in a different court, where settlements are quick, and big pharm not held 'liable'. Why I never Q'd up for the silliness, of experimental PrEP s. Vaccines every 3-6 months, that's some funny sh!t right there. Maybe in 50 yrs, you'll be able to read all the drug trial info ... they are trying so hard not to release ... ???? DISCLAIMER: These thoughts are IMHO and IMHO only. Your opinion may differ. Edited September 9, 2023 by KhunLA 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KhunLA Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 And ...SA paid a premium price: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/6/south-africa-held-to-ransom-by-big-pharma-overcharged-for-covid-vaccines 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, owl sees all said: But as Dr Cahill says; Cahill is a well-known and disreputable peddler of vaccine misinformation: Fact check: Severe adverse events are rare following mRNA COVID-19 vaccines https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-adverse-events/fact-check-severe-adverse-events-are-rare-following-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-idUSKBN2AO2TN Irish Professor Makes Unfounded Claims About Long-Term Effects of mRNA Vaccines https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-irish-professor-makes-unfounded-claims-about-long-term-effects-of-mrna-vaccines/ "Explanation: Dr. Cahills assertions have no scientific basis. After extensive research to every credible database for scientific studies and clinical trials we were not able to locate the one she is referencing..." https://www.poynter.org/?ifcn_misinformation=according-to-dr-dolores-cahill-a-significant-percentage-of-the-people-who-received-the-mrna-vaccine-for-covid-19-will-die-within-a-year-her-conclusion-is-based-on-a-research-done-in-animals-which-sh and many more of the same.... Edited September 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post retarius Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 19 hours ago, save the frogs said: covid is old news Not to those who are still suffering the effects of this evil vaccine it's not. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, retarius said: Not to those who are still suffering the effects of this evil vaccine it's not. A vaccine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Fact check: The mRNA coronavirus vaccine is a vaccine, and it is designed to prevent illness https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine/fact-check-the-mrna-coronavirus-vaccine-is-a-vaccine-and-it-is-designed-to-prevent-illness-idUSKBN2AM0SS 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Fact check: The mRNA coronavirus vaccine is a vaccine, and it is designed to prevent illness https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine/fact-check-the-mrna-coronavirus-vaccine-is-a-vaccine-and-it-is-designed-to-prevent-illness-idUSKBN2AM0SS Then it fails miserably IMHO 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, KhunLA said: Then it fails miserably IMHO There's a big difference between merely preventing COVID infections, which often can be asymptomatic with the current Omicron variants, vs. preventing actual disease/illness, like the kinds that put people in the hospital. All the recent studies continue to show the COVID vaccines are pretty effective, especially if people stay up to date with recommended booster shots, at preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death from COVID, even in the older age folks at higher risk. Edited September 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skipalongcassidy Posted September 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2023 It has always been about money and BIG PHARMA... never about protecting people 2 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Red Phoenix Posted September 10, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2023 21 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: This whole thread is a lot of anti-vax nonsense by the same familiar crowd of anti-vaxers and conspiracy theorists here... The contract conditions listed above are hardly surprising, given that Pfizer at the time, back early in the pandemic, was rolling out an entirely new vaccine on a rapid time schedule demanded by the world, even though it had already been widely tested in clinical trials. If the contract conditions are 'hardly surprising' why then did Pfizer and the South-African authorities that signed it, fight tooth and nail to keep the contents of that contract from being accessible to the public. It took more than 1 YEAR to finally get it released by court order. But in a sense you are right, that the content is 'hardly surprising'. Yes, it is not a surprise that the long-term effects and efficacy of the vaccine were not known. This was one massive experiment called ‘warp speed’, of course they didn’t know what would happen. Furthermore, it is not a surprise that Pfizer wanted purchasers to acknowledge that there may be adverse effects of the Vaccine that are not currently known. mRNA did not have a good record with side effects and until the pandemic was only being used on the seriously ill. But what is shocking is that this information was hidden from the general public and instead replaced with the brainwashing mantra of ‘Safe and Effective’. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said: If the contract conditions are 'hardly surprising' why then did Pfizer and the South-African authorities that signed it, fight tooth and nail to keep the contents of that contract from being accessible to the public. It took more than 1 YEAR to finally get it released by court order. But in a sense you are right, that the content is 'hardly surprising'. Yes, it is not a surprise that the long-term effects and efficacy of the vaccine were not known. This was one massive experiment called ‘warp speed’, of course they didn’t know what would happen. Furthermore, it is not a surprise that Pfizer wanted purchasers to acknowledge that there may be adverse effects of the Vaccine that are not currently known. mRNA did not have a good record with side effects and until the pandemic was only being used on the seriously ill. But what is shocking is that this information was hidden from the general public and instead replaced with the brainwashing mantra of ‘Safe and Effective’. Looking àt the massive vaccination scale the mantra 'safe and effective' has absolutely been proven correct. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) Nothing much different here re South Africa... Other countries at various points kept their vaccine contracts private, so as to not disclose their pricing and/or terms, often because that was a requirement of their contracts with the vaccine makers. Other countries, including the U.S., had liability waivers for the vaccine manufacturers, and took on the liability themselves, because... That's what it took to produce and launch in record time a COVID vaccine that saved millions of lives, helped blunt the impact of the COVID pandemic when hospitals and morgues were being overrun, and as has been documented above, had only very rare serious side effects. 13+ BILLION doses and counting.... Newly updated vaccines to better deal with the latest COVID variants being rolled out in the coming weeks in the U.S., UK and elsewhere. Edited September 10, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) Lest we forget what was going on in the world prior to the arrival of the COVID vaccines: ‘Not a wave, a tsunami.’ Italy hospitals at virus limit Health Mar 13, 2020 4:45 PM EDT "The coronavirus outbreak tearing through Italy has turned a nation that usually donates medical expertise and equipment abroad into a country in need. Some hospitals in hard-hit Lombardy are at saturation point, unable to admit new patients. Every day is a scramble to find more intensive care beds than the critically ill who need them." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/not-a-wave-a-tsunami-italy-hospitals-at-virus-limit Global coronavirus deaths surpass 1 million - Reuters tally September 29, 2020 * Global deaths have doubled in three months * United States, Brazil and India leading fatalities * One person dying from COVID-19 every 16 seconds * High death rate puts burial strain on many countries https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-global-deaths-idUSL4N2GF2RR U.S. COVID deaths smash daily record amid pleas to trim back Christmas December 8, 2020 WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) -The daily U.S. death toll from COVID-19 has surpassed 3,000 for the first time, prompting pleas for Americans to scale back Christmas plans even with vaccines on the cusp of winning regulatory approval. COVID-19 deaths reached 3,253 on Wednesday, pushing up the U.S. total since the start of the pandemic to 289,740. A record 106,219 people were hospitalized with the highly infectious respiratory disease. Healthcare professionals and support staff, exhausted by demands of the pandemic, have been watching patients die alone as millions of Americans refuse to follow medical advice to wear masks and avoid crowds to contain the spread. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-idUKKBN28I1WD Edited September 10, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohlite Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) AFAIK, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent (Original and Omicron BA.4/BA.5 ARE NOT FDA approved and still only approved for emergency use (EUA) only. Why would that be if Pfizer's covid vaccines are so safe and effective? Makes you wonder, but some folks keep taking covid boosters and keep getting the virus. EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has not been approved or licensed by FDA, but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an EUA to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals aged 6 months of age and older. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-receive-positive-chmp-opinion-omicron-2 Edited September 10, 2023 by mohlite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, mohlite said: AFAIK, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent (Original and Omicron BA.4/BA.5 ARE NOT FDA approved and still only approved for emergency use (EUA) only. The original COVID vaccines originally used in the U.S. for adults had full FDA and CDC approval, and have had for a long time. FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine August 23, 2021 Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. " ... Since Dec. 11, 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has been available under EUA in individuals 16 years of age and older, and the authorization was expanded to include those 12 through 15 years of age on May 10, 2021. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine Subsequent full approvals were given for the vaccines for the several younger age groups. The Pfizer document you linked to above involves the NEW, Omicron version of the Pfizer vaccine (the third version) that has just been approved in Europe, and is expected to be approved in the U.S. within the coming month. Edited September 10, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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