Is anyone else as confused as me as to why the US hasn't seized the opportunity to eliminate Putin & Kim Jong un at the same time

[steven100]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Looks like the someone nuked your post .

*Hiroshima *

That's fine Nick ...  but you get my drift     !!

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, steven100 said:

That's fine Nick ...  but you get my drift     !!

Russia has Nuclear bombs as well though , if the USA fired Nukes at Russia , they will likely get a few back going in the other direction 

[RanongCat]

7 minutes ago, steven100 said:

aha ....  but look at horishima ... the US DID not mess around there ....  kinda like you make a big problem your gone ....   ?

Very true the US took advantage of an opportunity that killed many thousands of civilian lives in contravention of any humanitarian measures and have defended that act ever since in that it  quickly ended a war that was close to being ended anyway.

Do you suggest the US provoke the use of nuclear weapons on same basis ? 

[steven100]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Russia has Nuclear bombs as well though , if the USA fired Nukes at Russia , they will likely get a few back going in the other direction 

if the US were serious ....  they wouldn't hesitate in blowing Russia of the face of the earth.  It depends on the threat and risk & reward I would expect.

[steven100]

1 minute ago, RanongCat said:

Very true the US took advantage of an opportunity that killed many thousands of civilian lives in contravention of any humanitarian measures and have defended that act ever since in that it  quickly ended a war that was close to being ended anyway.

Do you suggest the US provoke the use of nuclear weapons on same basis ? 

I did not suggest anything.  The US could blow Russia out of the water if they really felt it was essential.

[RanongCat]

Why is there this sad perception that US policy represents the aspirations of the entire globe ?

It certainly  misrepresents the core  idealism of "democracy" when and while it is inflicted on nations

[RanongCat]

Just now, steven100 said:

I did not suggest anything.  The US could blow Russia out of the water if they really felt it was essential.

And in instantaneous retaliation Russia would do same to the US and significant  allies !

Are you not aware of the reality of nuclear capacities and the recognized incapable total elimination of threat in all directions?

Or are you satisfied with the concept that "we" won  because they all fried  before "we" did ?

[RanongCat]

6 minutes ago, steven100 said:

I did not suggest anything.  The US could blow Russia out of the water if they really felt it was essential.

YPSB !

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Very true the US took advantage of an opportunity that killed many thousands of civilian lives in contravention of any humanitarian measures and have defended that act ever since in that it  quickly ended a war that was close to being ended anyway.

Do you suggest the US provoke the use of nuclear weapons on same basis ? 

Before you start pointing fingers, did you forget that Japan bombed the sh_t out of Pearl Harbour with no regard for anyone.

 

The USA ended the never ending death count of USA civilians called up to stop Japans aggression by bombing.

 

 

 

Try not to start pointing fingers when the USA was attacked first.....????

[steven100]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Before you start pointing fingers, did you forget that Japan bombed the sh_t out of Pearl Harbour with no regard for anyone.

 

The USA ended the never ending death count of USA civilians called up to stop Japans aggression by bombing.

 

 

 

Try not to start pointing fingers when the USA was attacked first.....????

totally agree ....

[steven100]

7 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

YPSB !

do you love Russia ??   I don't understand YPSB ...    

[RanongCat]

Sick deflection from the fact that the nuclear vaporization of two civilian city populations cant be justified by the Japanese attack on a naval base.  More Lackey ?

[Lacessit]

On 9/15/2023 at 9:28 PM, Furioso said:

I don't know, seems unlikely. I doubt Russia will lose.

Russia has already lost.

 

Western aircraft made up 70% of Russia's domestic fleet. They will now have to cannibalize planes to keep them in the air, as spare parts will not be forthcoming.

 

John McCain once said Russia was actually a big gas station. The European markets are gone, possibly until there is regime change. Replacing them with Chinese and Indian buyers is fraught with logistical problems.

 

Western companies and expertise have abandoned Russia, meaning any oil wellheads in the permafrost are going to be freezing over due to lack of effective maintenance.

 

Russia has lost 4000 tanks and 8000 armored personnel carriers in Ukraine, about $30 billion worth. It has also had a fall in arms sales, as countries who buy are seeing how technologically inferior Russian weapon systems are.

 

Russia has lost over 1 million men of military age, fleeing the military draft. That includes some of their best and brightest citizens, otherwise known as a brain drain.

 

The Russian military has lost massive prestige, such that former Soviet republics still in the Russian orbit are thinking of secession.

 

When a country with a GDP of USD 1.8 trillion stops publishing basic financial data, what does that say about the state of Russia's economy?

 

 

[transam]

Just now, RanongCat said:

Sick deflection from the fact that the nuclear vaporization of two civilian city populations cant be justified by the Japanese attack on a naval base.  More Lackey ?

What's the difference between a quick or long bombing campaign to stop an aggressor.....?

[RanongCat]

2 minutes ago, steven100 said:

do you love Russia ??   I don't understand YPSB ...    

I deplore the Russian aggression.  But I understand the basis of it. Remind me of why the US invaded Iraq and murdered Sadam H after failing to assist him to defeat Iran? Similarly Libya, Yemen , Afghanistan, Vietnam , etc  etc?

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Sick deflection from the fact that the nuclear vaporization of two civilian city populations cant be justified by the Japanese attack on a naval base.  More Lackey ?

????.........And what happened after the attack on Perl Harbour, did the Japanese go home, or did they spread their wings, even ended up in Thailand.

I think you need to sit back and read some history....????

[transam]

Just now, RanongCat said:

I deplore the Russian aggression.  But I understand the basis of it. Remind me of why the US invaded Iraq and murdered Sadam H after failing to assist him to defeat Iran? Similarly Libya, Yemen , Afghanistan, Vietnam , etc  etc?

 

Soooo, funny......................????

[RanongCat]

26 minutes ago, transam said:

Soooo, funny......................????

So sad you think such travesties  are  funny  Potty  Man

[RanongCat]

36 minutes ago, steven100 said:

do you love Russia ??   I don't understand YPSB ...    

yu porr sic basket

[connda]

On 9/16/2023 at 12:20 PM, Cory1848 said:

The Western democratic model that the EU operates under provides better quality of life, prosperity, and freedom for all people than any other system *yet devised*

The current "Western democratic model" is becoming more dictatorial and authoritarian by the year as their citizens quality of life deteriorates rapidly, especially the middle-class which is being slowly decimated.  Nothing like a world war to facilitate a 'great reset,' so I would not be surprised if a major, non-Western Leader or Foreign Minister has a Archduke Franz Ferdinand moment and it's "Game On" for WWIII.   Pity to be a Millennial or GenZ as they will be the new draft-aged conscription pool for Western militaries.
As well, at the dawning of WWIII which so many of you seem to want, most of you living here who are vehemently pro-West/anti-East will be beating on their embassies doors to get a flight out of Thailand.
I admit, I'm an anti-war veteran, and I really don't understand what evil drives some of you to call for the assassinations of heads-of-states and promote the global war that will follow in the aftermath.  It really is insane!  Even George Walker Bush referred to those who held views like this as "The Crazies In The Basement." 

Edited September 17, 2023 by connda

[GroveHillWanderer]

54 minutes ago, steven100 said:

if the US were serious ....  they wouldn't hesitate in blowing Russia of the face of the earth.  It depends on the threat and risk & reward I would expect.

So you're not aware of Russia's nuclear "second strike" capability then?

[JensenZ]

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Looks like the someone nuked your post .

*Hiroshima *

Yet the bombing of Hisoshima and Nagasaki did not end it. It was the Soviet declaration of war on Japan that ended it, but to save face the Japanese blamed the nukes. The events that lead to their surrender are quite complex.

[itsallmine68]

On 9/16/2023 at 12:17 PM, Jingthing said:

Not necessary.

Ukrainians can win with their own troops but they do need enough military aid to actually win and they do need the west to understand not to have unreasonable expectations as far as the timeline.

What is an unreasonable time line then? 1 year, 2 ,10 what is the acceptable timeline? That is an unacceptable answer 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Yes a very good idea. I think it is foolish to think they don't exist. But, they do not presently target reptilian leaders. I wish they would. Start with Putin, Kim, MBS, Hun Sen, Than Shwe, Min Aung Hlaing Mzwati, Karamov, and a few others. Let's clean up the place. 

I'm shaking my head in amazement that anyone would think that would actually work. Assassinating Putin, or Kim ( a Chinese protege ) would lead to war. How many innocents would die in that event.

OF COURSE they ain't assassinating country leaders, and if that became a thing, how long before it's the POTUS or the British PM etc etc etc?

I have to wonder what sort of world views some poster have- certainly not based in reality, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 minutes ago, itsallmine68 said:

What is an unreasonable time line then? 1 year, 2 ,10 what is the acceptable timeline? That is an unacceptable answer 

Agree 100%. People that think the west can indefinitely continue massive financial expenditure for bullets in another country when they are themselves not involved in the fighting are IMO living in Lala land.

 

Even if the west was prepared to do so, the Ukrainians will eventually run out of men to go fight, so what happens then?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, steven100 said:

if the US were serious ....  they wouldn't hesitate in blowing Russia of the face of the earth.  It depends on the threat and risk & reward I would expect.

Apparently some on this forum think the entire Russian population deserve to die, regardless if they don't support the war.

Are they not human beings to be so blithely consigned to annihilation?

Reminds me of the language being used about another people a while back, and that didn't end well for them.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, connda said:

The current "Western democratic model" is becoming more dictatorial and authoritarian by the year as their citizens quality of life deteriorates rapidly, especially the middle-class which is being slowly decimated.  Nothing like a world war to facilitate a 'great reset,' so I would not be surprised if a major, non-Western Leader or Foreign Minister has a Archduke Franz Ferdinand moment and it's "Game On" for WWIII.   Pity to be a Millennial or GenZ as they will be the new draft-aged conscription pool for Western militaries.
As well, at the dawning of WWIII which so many of you seem to want, most of you living here who are vehemently pro-West/anti-East will be beating on their embassies doors to get a flight out of Thailand.
I admit, I'm an anti-war veteran, and I really don't understand what evil drives some of you to call for the assassinations of heads-of-states and promote the global war that will follow in the aftermath.  It really is insane!  Even George Walker Bush referred to those who held views like this as "The Crazies In The Basement." 

Agree 100% with that post. Seems the armchair warriors that think the war they want will never affect them personally are out in force on here.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, transam said:

????.........And what happened after the attack on Perl Harbour, did the Japanese go home, or did they spread their wings, even ended up in Thailand.

I think you need to sit back and read some history....????

Slight difference in present situation though. Russia is not threatening the west behind the NATO line.

The Japanese were threatening to invade the US and India ( under British rule ).

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, transam said:

What's the difference between a quick or long bombing campaign to stop an aggressor.....?

Lots and lots of dead US and allied troops.

If the bombing of Hiroshima ended the war, it was worth it IMO. Let's not forget the Japanese murdered way more Chinese, Koreans etc than died in the two atom bomb attacks.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Russia has already lost.

 

Western aircraft made up 70% of Russia's domestic fleet. They will now have to cannibalize planes to keep them in the air, as spare parts will not be forthcoming.

 

John McCain once said Russia was actually a big gas station. The European markets are gone, possibly until there is regime change. Replacing them with Chinese and Indian buyers is fraught with logistical problems.

 

Western companies and expertise have abandoned Russia, meaning any oil wellheads in the permafrost are going to be freezing over due to lack of effective maintenance.

 

Russia has lost 4000 tanks and 8000 armored personnel carriers in Ukraine, about $30 billion worth. It has also had a fall in arms sales, as countries who buy are seeing how technologically inferior Russian weapon systems are.

 

Russia has lost over 1 million men of military age, fleeing the military draft. That includes some of their best and brightest citizens, otherwise known as a brain drain.

 

The Russian military has lost massive prestige, such that former Soviet republics still in the Russian orbit are thinking of secession.

 

When a country with a GDP of USD 1.8 trillion stops publishing basic financial data, what does that say about the state of Russia's economy?

 

 

Carry on dreaming!

Russia isn't even on a war footing YET.

Perhaps Hitler was thinking along the same lines when Barbarossa was succeeding. Was he right to think so?