ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Morch]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

This is exactly the reason why the established press, with reputations to protect, should be believed to a much greater extent than prejudiced "internet experts".

 

When organisations such as the NYT get something wrong, they retract and apologise whereas biased keyboard warriors never do likewise.

 

Any intelligent and rational person will have the awareness to not accept at face value the attempts by both sides in this conflict to either demonise their opponent or downplay their own criminality.

 

Just because one wants something to be true as it benefits their side, does not make it true.

 

Be patient, don't leap to conclusions and wait for verifiable proof from reputable sources.

 

Most importantly of course, is to not forget to change one's opinion when the evidence shows that one is wrong.

 

 

This is exactly the reason why we have access to posting histories. You banked a whole lot of denial and nonsense on the initial NYT report, despite mounting evidence. Now that they issue and apology for that, you still waffle.

 

As for 'keyboard warriors' - had a look in the mirror lately? And what is your claim, exactly? That you do not make mistakes? That you tend to apologize when they are pointed out?

 

You, a whole lot of posters who are 'pro-Palestine' went for this like its gold. Same globally, especially in the Arab and Muslim world. Preaching now about not accepting things at face value is disengenious, if unsurprising.

 

Don't see your posts on here as displaying much patience, avoid leaping to conclusions or waiting for facts. 

 

Do make it known when you come to your senses and change your opinion.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Morch

[Eloquent pilgrim]

16 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

He is asking questions, you are missing a good interview. Better to listen to both sides in this conflict, you don't make peace with your friends, as Martin McGuiness wisely said. 

Martin McGuinness ….. another terrorist you seem to have an affinity with

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

He is asking questions, you are missing a good interview. Better to listen to both sides in this conflict, you don't make peace with your friends, as Martin McGuiness wisely said. 

 

I'm aware that you' are trolling, but nevertheless - how does putting so many people of ignore (or claiming to) relates to this 'listening' thing?

[transam]

10 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Is bombing churches one of their obligations? 

Do you agree this is a war crime? 

Saw a very sad video of one man whose 3 children were killed here. 

 

 

One for you.......

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/foreign-reporters-burst-tears-during-215231538.html

[transam]

9 hours ago, Neeranam said:

 

Apparently? 

Yes, a terrorist attack is maybe worse than some war crimes. 

Probably. 2 wrongs don't make a right. 

Do you agree Israel is committing war crimes? If not, I'd love to hear why! 

 

 

The terrorist supporter is back, tell me, are you in Gaza taking notes....?

[transam]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

This is exactly the reason why the established press, with reputations to protect, should be believed to a much greater extent than prejudiced "internet experts".

 

When organisations such as the NYT get something wrong, they retract and apologise whereas biased keyboard warriors never do likewise.

 

Any intelligent and rational person will have the awareness to not accept at face value the attempts by both sides in this conflict to either demonise their opponent or downplay their own criminality.

 

Just because one wants something to be true as it benefits their side, does not make it true.

 

Be patient, don't leap to conclusions and wait for verifiable proof from reputable sources.

 

Most importantly of course, is to not forget to change one's opinion when the evidence shows that one is wrong.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/foreign-reporters-burst-tears-during-215231538.html

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

You are very confrontational, calling me a liar. 

Most on this thread refuse to acknowledge Israel are committing war crimes, which they are, killing children, refusing food and water, for a start. 

Not everyone is polarised and has a side here. 

Israel is an apartheid state. The UN and Amnesty international state this. Why do you refuse to accept this? 

I did not call you a liar, I said you were lying. If you admit you were mistaken and apologize, I will take it back and apologize. If you don't, and just continue telling lies, I will start calling you a liar. 

 

Now when you claim Israel is committing war crimes by killing children and refusing food and water, that is a lie. 

 

I believe the UN or Amnesty are ridiculous. 

 

You claim Isael is an apartheid state and that they are killing children and refusing food and water, and then you want people to believe you have not taken a side. That is almost as hilarious as you lying, and then calling me confrontational when I say you are lying. 

 

 

[James105]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

They're is no easy solution when both hate each other so much. 

 

One thing, that is obvious is for Israel to treat Palestinians equally and do away with all the discriminatory laws and apartheid. This  is the first step. Israel are forcing millions to leave their homes, maybe this is the better option for them to get the land they seem hungry for, which will cause even more resentment. 

 

One thing that is obvious to me is that if Hamas/Palestine wanted Isreal end to this then they all they have to do is surrender all their terrorists to an international body to face justice for the atrocities they committed and return the innocent civilian hostages they are holding (and probably torturing) alive.   That would be a good starting point to negotiate peace I think and I also think that then the world would unite and ensure all the innocents in Palestine are given aid and support to rebuild their country. 

[Yellowtail]

59 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I've no idea about his past, he is unbiased in this interview, did you watch it? 

He did seem unbiased in the interview. I thought Cenk sounded much more like you than Piers did. 

[Nick Carter icp]

10 hours ago, rabas said:

Watch BBC reporter get schooled by a real international lawyer & expert on laws of war. Choice moments include Israel's rights what ever it takes, and utterly morally repugnant accusations of collective punishment that are even liable. 

 

International law 1, BBC 0, Hamas -10 (Thorgal scoreless)

 

 

   An International  Lawyer who advises Israel on the legalities of the conflict . 

Israel drops leaflets on targets prior to bombing , which means all their bombings of Gaza are legal and there are no war crimes committed (even if civilians are killed in the bombings .

   Israel are also legally entitled to lay siege on Gaza , it has no obligation to supply its enemy with commodities .

   Israel takes advice on the legalities of the war , its interesting to hear a International Barrister stating the actual law of what a war crime is , rather than  listening to some Aseannow  posters making up what constitutes a war crime and then making false allegations about Israel committing war crimes 

[rabas]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   An International  Lawyer who advises Israel on the legalities of the conflict . 

Israel drops leaflets on targets prior to bombing , which means all their bombings of Gaza are legal and there are no war crimes committed (even if civilians are killed in the bombings .

   Israel are also legally entitled to lay siege on Gaza , it has no obligation to supply its enemy with commodities .

   Israel takes advice on the legalities of the war , its interesting to hear a International Barrister stating the actual law of what a war crime is , rather than  listening to some Aseannow  posters making up what constitutes a war crime and then making false allegations about Israel committing war crimes 

If you mean Thorgal has no clue about international law, I agree. He hasn't a clue about rockets or physics either. 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, rabas said:

If you mean Thorgal has no clue about international law, I agree. He hasn't a clue about rockets or physics either. 

 

Many posters go on about international law, war crimes, crimes against humanity and so on. Many perceptions of what these actually are seem to be based on presumptions, wishful thinking, misleading comments by politicians and reporters, quoting bits which aren't law itself, but interpretations or simply not reading the fine print.

 

If it helps some, let me put it this way - the actual function of these 'restrictions' is to to make sure potential wars between industrialized, advanced, powerful nations and their counterparts do not go over the top. With all the caveats and loopholes included, they aim to protect civilians, but also to allow such countries the freedom to act. They are, indeed, not to the benefit of weaker, less advanced armies and nations. Reasons for this can be described as either a measure of deterrence, or preserving a power imbalance. Their presentation as being solely focused on human rights etc. rather than being a manual of the rules of war, is IMO, intentional.

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

44 minutes ago, transam said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/foreign-reporters-burst-tears-during-215231538.html

Absolutely appalling. The atrocities carried out on 7th October by representatives of the Palestinian government of Gaza, are now being exposed as far more savage, barbaric, and inhumane than anyone had feared, and I think most feared the worst. One hundred reporters from around the world were there, and this is now being widely reported; even by the BBC and the Guardian.

 

Understandably, I don’t believe photos were shown of the pregnant woman who had her unborn child ripped from her stomach to be beheaded, before she was beheaded herself, but I think evidence has been shown to some political leaders.

 

 

**** In an audio recording played for the press, Confino (reporter) reported that a Hamas militant called his parents to brag about his killing, saying, “I killed 10 Jews with my own hands. I’m using the dead Jewish woman’s phone to call you now.”

The Guardian reported that a clip showed an Israeli woman checking a burned woman’s corpse to see if it was a family member. The dead woman’s dress “was pulled up to her waist and her underpants had been removed,” the paper wrote.

 

I’m at a loss to know what a proportionate response to this can be, especially given that the government of Gaza are now asking their own citizens to stand in-front of them and protect them from justice. It is also of great concern that the IDF say they have irrefutable evidence of direct involvement by Iran in the massacre. God help us all.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Absolutely appalling. The atrocities carried out on 7th October by representatives of the Palestinian government of Gaza, are now being exposed as far more savage, barbaric, and inhumane than anyone had feared, and I think most feared the worst. One hundred reporters from around the world were there, and this is now being widely reported; even by the BBC and the Guardian.

 

Understandably, I don’t believe photos were shown of the pregnant woman who had her unborn child ripped from her stomach to be beheaded, before she was beheaded herself, but I think evidence has been shown to some political leaders.

 

 

**** In an audio recording played for the press, Confino (reporter) reported that a Hamas militant called his parents to brag about his killing, saying, “I killed 10 Jews with my own hands. I’m using the dead Jewish woman’s phone to call you now.”

The Guardian reported that a clip showed an Israeli woman checking a burned woman’s corpse to see if it was a family member. The dead woman’s dress “was pulled up to her waist and her underpants had been removed,” the paper wrote.

 

I’m at a loss to know what a proportionate response to this can be, especially given that the government of Gaza are now asking their own citizens to stand in-front of them and protect them from justice. It is also of great concern that the IDF say they have irrefutable evidence of direct involvement by Iran in the massacre. God help us all.

 

It usually takes a day or two for some reports to get translated. Expect clips of interviews with Hamas terrorists taken captive will be on soon enough.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

It usually takes a day or two for some reports to get translated. Expect clips of interviews with Hamas terrorists taken captive will be on soon enough.

Indeed, there will be more to come. I notice our two resident Hamas apologists aren't commenting about this.

[Nick Carter icp]

11 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Is bombing churches one of their obligations? 

Do you agree this is a war crime? 

Saw a very sad video of one man whose 3 children were killed here. 

 

 

 

   The tale of two Churches in Gaza .

Two Churches got bombed in Gaza, one by Israel and one by Hamas

Both Churches seem to have been bombed by mistake , with the missiles not hitting their intended targets .

   Israel held its hands up and immediately admitted its mistake and admitted that it was their rocket which misfired .

   On the other hand , Hamas denied it was their rocket that misfired and hit the Church  and blamed it on Israel and even after evidence has been shown that it was a Hamas rocket that hit the Church, they still deny it and continue to blame Israel .

   Worth remembering about who tells the truth and who tells lies , if any disagreements arise in the future 

[norfolkandchance]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Martin McGuinness ….. another terrorist you seem to have an affinity with

The Para's are still holding the second bottle of Port for his comrade in arms after his demise.

[Yellowtail]

25 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Absolutely appalling. The atrocities carried out on 7th October by representatives of the Palestinian government of Gaza, are now being exposed as far more savage, barbaric, and inhumane than anyone had feared, and I think most feared the worst. One hundred reporters from around the world were there, and this is now being widely reported; even by the BBC and the Guardian.

 

Understandably, I don’t believe photos were shown of the pregnant woman who had her unborn child ripped from her stomach to be beheaded, before she was beheaded herself, but I think evidence has been shown to some political leaders.

 

 

**** In an audio recording played for the press, Confino (reporter) reported that a Hamas militant called his parents to brag about his killing, saying, “I killed 10 Jews with my own hands. I’m using the dead Jewish woman’s phone to call you now.”

The Guardian reported that a clip showed an Israeli woman checking a burned woman’s corpse to see if it was a family member. The dead woman’s dress “was pulled up to her waist and her underpants had been removed,” the paper wrote.

 

I’m at a loss to know what a proportionate response to this can be, especially given that the government of Gaza are now asking their own citizens to stand in-front of them and protect them from justice. It is also of great concern that the IDF say they have irrefutable evidence of direct involvement by Iran in the massacre. God help us all.

Yea, we condemn hamas, but but but....

[rabas]

6 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Understandably, I don’t believe photos were shown of the pregnant woman who had her unborn child ripped from her stomach to be beheaded, before she was beheaded herself, but I think evidence has been shown to some political leaders.

I've hesitated to mention this but on the day of the attack videos were posted in pro Hamas propaganda streams showing live children being butchered. The videos were taken down as they appeared. I saw two, but I had to close the second one and log out, utterly horrific. Up close and clear, purposely filmed for posting, not  body camera footage. 

 

I'm sure the intelligence agencies have this material. 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, rabas said:

I've hesitated to mention this but on the day of the attack videos were posted in pro Hamas propaganda streams showing live children being butchered. The videos were taken down as they appeared. I saw two, but I had to close the second one and log out, utterly horrific. Up close and clear, purposely filmed for posting, not  body camera footage. 

 

I'm sure the intelligence agencies have this material. 

Proud and laughing while butchering babies... 

[Nick Carter icp]

21 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Some karma dished out

 

 

 

 

   That could be a meme of some posters on here .

Two weeks ago they were celebrating and getting excited about Hamas forces joining forces with Palestinians in the West bank and a unified Palestinians defeating the IDF and the coming demise of Israel as a Country .

   Now they are crying their eyes out about what's happening in Gaza

[Neeranam]

49 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

He did seem unbiased in the interview. I thought Cenk sounded much more like you than Piers did. 

There's a few where he has given the 'other team' a platform to be heard. I agree with Cenk, but not do passionate. Both sides need to stop immediately, hostages returned. 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I did not call you a liar, I said you were lying. If you admit you were mistaken and apologize, I will take it back and apologize. If you don't, and just continue telling lies, I will start calling you a liar. 

 

Now when you claim Israel is committing war crimes by killing children and refusing food and water, that is a lie. 

 

I believe the UN or Amnesty are ridiculous. 

 

You claim Isael is an apartheid state and that they are killing children and refusing food and water, and then you want people to believe you have not taken a side. That is almost as hilarious as you lying, and then calling me confrontational when I say you are lying. 

 

 

Come on man, you called me a liar. 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Proud and laughing while butchering babies... 

 

  Whilst shouting about how great (their)  God is 

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Come on man, you called me a liar. 

Come on man, admit you lied.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

There's a few where he has given the 'other team' a platform to be heard. I agree with Cenk, but not do passionate. Both sides need to stop immediately, hostages returned. 

The main topic that everyone on this forum is discussing today, is the 40 odd minute video that the Israeli authorities screened for over 100 journalists from around the world, of the 7th October massacre, causing some of them to weep openly.

 

You don’t seem at all interested in that …. why ?

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   That could be a meme of some posters on here .

Two weeks ago they were celebrating and getting excited about Hamas forces joining forces with Palestinians in the West bank and a unified Palestinians defeating the IDF and the coming demise of Israel as a Country .

   Now they are crying their eyes out about what's happening in Gaza

 

Two weeks ago @thaibeachlovers 's Cato line was 'reap what they sow' (aimed at Israel). Now it's some waffle about the world watching.

[Rimmer]

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[MrMojoRisin]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

This is exactly the reason why we have access to posting histories. You banked a whole lot of denial and nonsense on the initial NYT report, despite mounting evidence. Now that they issue and apology for that, you still waffle.

 

What exactly do you think you and your three buddies are achieving here?

 

You constantly ignore facts and misrepresent other peoples posts and then pat each other on the back as if your efforts have contributed something of value - they haven't.

 

Not one of you have contributed anything to this thread that is of value to the reader looking to learn more about this topic

 

On which page is there a single post of mine that even hints at what you are claiming here?

List the page number or directly quote my post.

Of course you can't because as usual you and your mates care nothing for facts.

Why do you waste your time posting lies like this?

Are pats on the back by three anonymous like minded keyboard warriors something you think actually have enough value to impel you to denigrate your own integrity?

 

I consistently stated that no one can draw any definite conclusion to who bombed the hospital and whether it was an accident or deliberate until more evidence was provided by a reputable source (2 posts on page 111, 1 post on page 108 and 2 posts on page 107).

 

Access to posting histories are meaningless if the person researching them is only interested in misrepresenting and falsifying what others have written.

 

2 hours ago, Morch said:

As for 'keyboard warriors' - had a look in the mirror lately? And what is your claim, exactly? That you do not make mistakes? That you tend to apologize when they are pointed out?

 

Hasn't there been enough death?

Over 2000 dead Palestinian kids to date.

Yet the keyboard warriors call for more.

 

Israel is not going to eliminate Hamas.

The leaders of Hamas are not in Gaza.

The financiers of Hamas are not in Gaza.

And just like a Hydra, every Palestinian that the Israeli kills creates 10 more Hamas foot soldiers tomorrow.

Israel is not going to eliminate Hamas.

 

Of course I make mistakes, just not as many as you and your three buddies and yes, if the facts show that my opinion is most likely wrong, I change my opinion.

 

More importantly though, is that I tend not to speak in absolutes and that I am never in a rush to pass judgement on any information provided without sufficient supporting evidence - you should give it a try.

 

2 hours ago, Morch said:

You, a whole lot of posters who are 'pro-Palestine' went for this like its gold. Same globally, especially in the Arab and Muslim world. Preaching now about not accepting things at face value is disengenious, if unsurprising.

 

Not so much pro-Palestine as pro peace.

 

And no, rational people not blinded by bigotry and prejudice reserved judgement on this issue until further credible evidence was supplied.

 

Same goes for the "40 beheaded babies" story.

 

Both Israel and Hamas have full time media divisions operating purely to promote their version of events - both sides are equally uncaring about accuracy.

 

2 hours ago, Morch said:

Don't see your posts on here as displaying much patience, avoid leaping to conclusions or waiting for facts 

Do make it known when you come to your senses and change your opinion.

 

Displaying patience and avoiding leaping to conclusions is exactly the content of my posts.

Why do you continue to type lie after lie after lie when commenting on other peoples posts?

Do you genuinely have comprehension issues or are you being deliberately dishonest?

Is there nothing you won't stoop to to try and win a pat on the back from your three buddies?

 

Excerpts from my previous posts:

 

Updated information..... or manufactured misinformation.

Neither you nor I can know for sure the level of truthfulness of what either side says.

 

The New York Times, with all the resources available to them, have yet to get to the bottom of the mass murder at the Gaza hospital - perhaps it is a bit early for internet keyboard warriors to be spouting off, eh?

 

I have been very clear that there is not, at the moment, enough evidence for either side to definitively prove that the other side is the guilty party and therefore, anyone who values the truth and facts over partisanship and point scoring would acknowledge this reality and reserve their opinion until sufficient reputable evidence is provided.

 

Do you care at all about being truthful?

It certainly appears not.

And so I ask again, what exactly do you think you and your three buddies are achieving here?

 

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

What exactly do you think you and your three buddies are achieving here?

 

You constantly ignore facts and misrepresent other peoples posts and then pat each other on the back as if your efforts have contributed something of value - they haven't.

 

Not one of you have contributed anything to this thread that is of value to the reader looking to learn more about this topic

 

On which page is there a single post of mine that even hints at what you are claiming here?

List the page number or directly quote my post.

Of course you can't because as usual you and your mates care nothing for facts.

Why do you waste your time posting lies like this?

Are pats on the back by three anonymous like minded keyboard warriors something you think actually have enough value to impel you to denigrate your own integrity?

 

I consistently stated that no one can draw any definite conclusion to who bombed the hospital and whether it was an accident or deliberate until more evidence was provided by a reputable source (2 posts on page 111, 1 post on page 108 and 2 posts on page 107).

 

Access to posting histories are meaningless if the person researching them is only interested in misrepresenting and falsifying what others have written.

 

 

Hasn't there been enough death?

Over 2000 dead Palestinian kids to date.

Yet the keyboard warriors call for more.

 

Israel is not going to eliminate Hamas.

The leaders of Hamas are not in Gaza.

The financiers of Hamas are not in Gaza.

And just like a Hydra, every Palestinian that the Israeli kills creates 10 more Hamas foot soldiers tomorrow.

Israel is not going to eliminate Hamas.

 

Of course I make mistakes, just not as many as you and your three buddies and yes, if the facts show that my opinion is most likely wrong, I change my opinion.

 

More importantly though, is that I tend not to speak in absolutes and that I am never in a rush to pass judgement on any information provided without sufficient supporting evidence - you should give it a try.

 

 

Not so much pro-Palestine as pro peace.

 

And no, rational people not blinded by bigotry and prejudice reserved judgement on this issue until further credible evidence was supplied.

 

Same goes for the "40 beheaded babies" story.

 

Both Israel and Hamas have full time media divisions operating purely to promote their version of events - both sides are equally uncaring about accuracy.

 

 

Displaying patience and avoiding leaping to conclusions is exactly the content of my posts.

Why do you continue to type lie after lie after lie when commenting on other peoples posts?

Do you genuinely have comprehension issues or are you being deliberately dishonest?

Is there nothing you won't stoop to to try and win a pat on the back from your three buddies?

 

Excerpts from my previous posts:

 

Updated information..... or manufactured misinformation.

Neither you nor I can know for sure the level of truthfulness of what either side says.

 

The New York Times, with all the resources available to them, have yet to get to the bottom of the mass murder at the Gaza hospital - perhaps it is a bit early for internet keyboard warriors to be spouting off, eh?

 

I have been very clear that there is not, at the moment, enough evidence for either side to definitively prove that the other side is the guilty party and therefore, anyone who values the truth and facts over partisanship and point scoring would acknowledge this reality and reserve their opinion until sufficient reputable evidence is provided.

 

Do you care at all about being truthful?

It certainly appears not.

And so I ask again, what exactly do you think you and your three buddies are achieving here?

 

 

Go away, pathetic.....................