MrMojoRisin Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Morch said: I don't know about others. Me? I'm been on this forum for a long time. And I have a very good memory. So I remember numerous instances when dear @Thorgal spewed Holocaust revisionist history, bordering on denial. I remember the many times he posted misinformation, on topic such as this (and on this one as well) - almost entirely made up of anti-Israeli stuff or pro-Palestinians stuff. And so on, and so forth. If you wish to believe he's sincere, that's your choice. Doubt many buy that. Mate, you posted outright lies about my history on page 132 of this thread. Just 10 hours ago you were lying about my posting and when given the opportunity to prove that your post was factual you avoided responding on topic and instead spat out some ad hominem garbage. The thing with lying is that once you have been outed, no one will trust you again. You can only cry wolf so many times before there are consequences. You lied today about my posting history already so I take it as a given that you are lying about Thorgal's posting history now....., unless of course you can provide supporting evidence. Can you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Morch said: Russia voted in favor of the partition plan. Guess they were 'coerced' as well. Those not blinkered enough will remember that it also called for the creation of an Arab (Palestinian) state. One side accepted, despite reservations, the other did not. Can we get back to the present? The war? Nice brush over ! Ignoring basic issues that became apparent problems that have never gone away as being witnessed now. Truth of fact is that the situation was enforced under duress but of no concern at the time to the enforcers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, RanongCat said: Have I said different? Although I would question the concept of Israel being free, democratic and decent while being directed as is current by a leader who to avoid probable conviction of multiple criminal charges makes attempts to override a legal system so as to exonerate himself and likely install himself for life. All put on hold due to "war status" . Netanyahu is a bad leader, a bad prime minister, a corrupt person and a liar. All true. But the fact is that he does stand for trial. Most countries in the neighborhood, that wouldn't have happened at all. Israel got its flaws, its nowhere near perfect, but it's way ahead of the ME. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, Morch said: Hey! Nobody <deleted> with the Jesus. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Morch said: Netanyahu is a bad leader, a bad prime minister, a corrupt person and a liar. All true. But the fact is that he does stand for trial. Most countries in the neighborhood, that wouldn't have happened at all. Israel got its flaws, its nowhere near perfect, but it's way ahead of the ME. Is Israel not in the "ME " ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Morch said: What?! I reported it, let's see what happens.............🥴 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Mate, you posted outright lies about my history on page 132 of this thread. Just 10 hours ago you were lying about my posting and when given the opportunity to prove that your post was factual you avoided responding on topic and instead spat out some ad hominem garbage. The thing with lying is that once you have been outed, no one will trust you again. You can only cry wolf so many times before there are consequences. You lied today about my posting history already so I take it as a given that you are lying about Thorgal's posting history now....., unless of course you can provide supporting evidence. Can you? I did no such thing. You say i did. And considering what and how you post on here, that doesn't hold much water. I have not been 'outed' other than in your fantasies. What 'consequences' would these be? You posting another unhinged rant? I think @Thorgal's posts on this topic alone speak for themselves. You're free to believe whatever you want. Doesn't change reality one bit. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, RanongCat said: Nice brush over ! Ignoring basic issues that became apparent problems that have never gone away as being witnessed now. Truth of fact is that the situation was enforced under duress but of no concern at the time to the enforcers. Brush over how? You made it (again) about the USA and the UK, I pointed out that it wasn't only their doing. Historical fact, that. How was Russia 'enforced'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, RanongCat said: Is Israel not in the "ME " ? I said it was in the ME. I pointed out it was better - in terms of democracy, judicial system etc. than it's neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Morch said: I did no such thing. You say i did. And considering what and how you post on here, that doesn't hold much water. I have not been 'outed' other than in your fantasies. What 'consequences' would these be? You posting another unhinged rant? I think @Thorgal's posts on this topic alone speak for themselves. You're free to believe whatever you want. Doesn't change reality one bit. Unfortunately confirmation of the right to "believe" whatever person wants is indisputable. if considered a human right. For that same reason there should not exist any justification in religious conviction as superior motive in any sense. Legally in most jurisdictions that right exists both for and against because there is no "fact" in belief. Apply that to conflict and analyse inevitable conclusions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Some troll posts and inflammatory posts contravening our Community Standards have been removed: Please post accurate and helpful information Post in a truthful manner and do not post defamatory comments Please be polite and respectful to others Do not flame, troll or stalk other members Please use the report button when you see a post that breaks the forum rules If you would like to discuss moderation contact Support Try to be positive with your post content and do not discriminate against others 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrMojoRisin Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Morch said: Please stop trolling, derailing this topic, and then I may consider your request. You want to deny these discussions took place? Your positions? Why? And what's the point anyway? The minute someone provides you with 'evidence' you either deny it anyway, or jump off to the next trolling bit. No thanks. You're a victim. My heart goes out to you. Open a fundme. Why do you think you can cast aspersion and make derogatory statements about someone and then not offer any supporting evidence to back up what you are claiming to be true. The onus is on you to support your statements with evidence. What is it that you think you are achieving by constantly misrepresenting other people and incessantly name calling? It is all of zero value. Grow up. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Just now, MrMojoRisin said: Why do you think you can cast aspersion and make derogatory statements about someone and then not offer any supporting evidence to back up what you are claiming to be true. The onus is on you to support your statements with evidence. What is it that you think you are achieving by constantly misrepresenting other people and incessantly name calling? It is all of zero value. Grow up. I think it is you that should grow up, and stop trolling as your bit of fun............🙄 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said: 1967 green Line. If you want to free Palestine of Hamas better start by telling Netanyahu to stop supporting Hamas. There is very little real antisemitism in the world. What there is, is an overplayed victim card constantly tabled by Israeli occupiers. The world is waking up. Within a generation the US will have a president who will make Obama look like a Haredi Jew. This will be an existential crisis for Israel. Uh oh. "If you want to free Palestine of Hamas better start by telling Netanyahu to stop supporting Hamas." Another lie then? Can you please back up that claim that Netanyahu is still supporting Hamas? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: "If you want to free Palestine of Hamas better start by telling Netanyahu to stop supporting Hamas." Another lie then? Can you please back up that claim that Netanyahu is still supporting Hamas? Prime minister for most of the last 15 years, Netanyahu has been an enabler of Hamas, building up the organisation, letting it rule Gaza unhindered – save for brief, periodic military operations against it – and allowing funds from its Gulf patrons to keep it flush. Netanyahu liked the idea of the Palestinians as a house divided – Fatah in the West Bank, Hamas in Gaza – because it allowed him to insist that there was no Palestinian partner he could do business with. That meant no peace process, no prospect of a Palestinian state, and no demand for Israeli territorial concessions. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-israel-prime-minister https://responsiblestatecraft.org/benjamin-netanyahu-israel/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Just now, MrMojoRisin said: Prime minister for most of the last 15 years, Netanyahu has been an enabler of Hamas, building up the organisation, letting it rule Gaza unhindered – save for brief, periodic military operations against it – and allowing funds from its Gulf patrons to keep it flush. Netanyahu liked the idea of the Palestinians as a house divided – Fatah in the West Bank, Hamas in Gaza – because it allowed him to insist that there was no Palestinian partner he could do business with. That meant no peace process, no prospect of a Palestinian state, and no demand for Israeli territorial concessions. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-israel-prime-minister https://responsiblestatecraft.org/benjamin-netanyahu-israel/ I know the dynamics involved previously, did you notice your claim was for the present tense? So again: Can you please back up that claim that Netanyahu is still supporting Hamas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 Back on topic and the tragic start to the war: Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif, Saleh al-Arouri, Ismail Haniyeh and others have the blood of thousands on their hands. We will never forget the Hamas massacre on October 7. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: because it allowed him to insist that there was no Palestinian partner he could do business with. That meant no peace process, no prospect of a Palestinian state, and no demand for Israeli territorial concessions. Why does he not want peace? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, transam said: I think it is you that should grow up, and stop trolling as your bit of fun............🙄 No doubt you consider yourself clever as some sort of forum version of a coitus interruptus distraction but I think for many observers is nothing short of a temporary itch ! My reply is obviously no more nor less "off topic" or "trolling" than your own posts. Do you get paid in cash or kind ? 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Why does he not want peace? Did you even bother to read the link? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said: Pride comes before the fall. Dream on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thorgal Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Just now, Longwood50 said: 3 hours ago, RanongCat said: They have relied on non discriminatory air bombardment of civilians . Be careful you. Whatever your agenda. Be careful you ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Longwood50 Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 hours ago, RanongCat said: I doubt many would argue against that. But the IDF have not "hunted down" . They have relied on non discriminatory air bombardment of civilians . A couple of points. Is it those civilians who harbored Hamas and provided the location from where the missles were launched. Also, Hamas has shielded itself in Mosques, schools, hospitals, surrounding themselves with civilians in an attempt to evade being fired upon. Would you prefer Israel send in ground troops and have those civilians be human shields. War is an ugly business. At one time opposing armies wore uniforms and faced each other head on in battle. No longer. Everything today is a form of guerrila warefare where the enemy surrounds and cloaks themselves. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longwood50 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Be careful you. Whatever your agenda. Be careful you ! Not my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, RanongCat said: Have you ever considered actually offering some meaningful content in rebuttal instead of personal attack? I have, what about you? Thought not, carry on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 14 hours ago, Brickleberry said: If you had actually read the post, you would have noted that I blamed the British (Israel wasn't even mentioned in the first paragraph), Hamas and Israel equally. I can't help it if you want to feel like a little victim - but don't accuse me of things that are not true. Same goes to you @Jingthing Words are powerful, and often the ones we avoid using can be just as powerful as the ones we use, sometimes even more so. You said “Yes, the terrorism that Hamas has committed is unforgivable” On 7th October representatives of the Palestinian government of Gaza, Hamas, carried out the worst atrocities this world has seen since the holocaust. Shooting babies in their cots, and beheading some of them, raping women and then burning their bodies, some raped so violently their pelvis was broken. Executing parents in front of their children and beheading some of them, ripping the unborn baby from a pregnant woman and beheading it before beheading the woman. There was of course much more, as I’m sure you are aware. Most normal people referencing these atrocities would instinctively use words like barbaric, inhuman, or monstrous maybe; you however used the much less critical adjective unforgivable, which of course it was, even though you noticeably did not mention those events at all, just a generalisation about terrorism that Hamas has committed. The rest of your comment was mostly blaming the UK, the USA and Israel, calling Israel an invading and occupying force that has stolen land and subjected the Palestinian people to daily terrorism over the last few decades; accusing them of having broken multiple laws and committed multiple war crimes. I read this comment that you made on page 137 carefully, and your historic inaccuracies notwithstanding, I concluded that it showed an irrefutable bias against Israel and towards Hamas. This is the bias that I accused you of, and I stand behind that accusation 100%. You now tell me not to accuse you of things that are not true …. well, I haven’t, have I ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 What is interesting about this topic is that it seems to have dived the Left and the Right . In almost every other subject all the Left jump on one side and all the Right jump on the other side , but on this subject the usual Left and Right individual people are on opposing sides . The typical Right winger who is usually in favour of Law and order and opposes Terrorism and often opines that terrorism is connected with Islam , they have suddenly become supporters of such people . The Right wing does attract Anti Semites , are some Right wingers now showing their true colours of *An enemies enemy is a friend* and they are now supporting the Palestinian cause ? The Far Right who oppose both Jews and Islamic Terrorists , whose side are they taking in this conflict ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted October 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2023 Something for the terrorist supporters here, click the YouTube link...............😉 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: What is interesting about this topic is that it seems to have dived the Left and the Right . In almost every other subject all the Left jump on one side and all the Right jump on the other side , but on this subject the usual Left and Right individual people are on opposing sides . The typical Right winger who is usually in favour of Law and order and opposes Terrorism and often opines that terrorism is connected with Islam , they have suddenly become supporters of such people . The Right wing does attract Anti Semites , are some Right wingers now showing their true colours of *An enemies enemy is a friend* and they are now supporting the Palestinian cause ? The Far Right who oppose both Jews and Islamic Terrorists , whose side are they taking in this conflict ? Can you name any right wing person that is openly supporting Hamas? I'm not aware of any at all. Lot's of left leaning people do seem to support Hamas though, Jeremy Corbyn once describing them as his friends being quite a prominent example. Keir Starmer was trending on twitter yesterday also as he supports Isreal but many Labour supporters want him gone for doing so. The right wing have adopted their usual position of opposing terrorism and I cannot see anything that is different to that so looking forward to the links you will supply that confirms what you are saying here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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