ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[BarraMarra]

Who cares what he thinks no one is interested what you say your finished on this thread so you might as well move on MoJo no body is answering you.

[MrMojoRisin]

29 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Morbid sense of humour from a Hamas apologist

 

Reread the post.

You'll note that I am critical of BOTH Hamas and Israel.

I apologise for neither side.

Unlike you, who misguidedly believe that there is a good side in this conflict.

BOTH sides are committing inhumane acts of barbarity day after day, year after year.

 

An Israeli life is worth no more or no less than a Palestinian life, don't you agree?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Reread the post.

You'll note that I am critical of BOTH Hamsa and Israel.

I apologise for neither side.

Unlike you, who misguidedly believe that there is a good side in this conflict.

BOTH sides are committing inhumane acts of barbarity day after day, year after year.

 

An Israeli life is worth no more or no less than a Palestinian life, don't you agree?

Oh look the Hamas apologist pops his head up yet again

[MrMojoRisin]

5 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Who cares what he thinks no one is interested what you say your finished on this thread so you might as well move on MoJo no body is answering you.

I think the moderators should certainly be answering you.

Post after post whingeing about others.

You are not the arbiter of anything on this forum so stop wasting your and other peoples time with your off topic nonsense.

 

Anyway, I thought you were quitting this thread.

What happened?

[MrMojoRisin]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Oh look the Hamas apologist pops his head up yet again

Repeating inaccuracies only serves to highlight the weakness of your argument.

 

Both Israel and Hamas are committing criminal acts against each other and against their own people without remorse - wouldn't you agree, or do you wish to apologise for one of these sides?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Repeating inaccuracies only serves to highlight the weakness of your argument.

 

Both Israel and Hamas are committing criminal acts against each other and against their own people without remorse - wouldn't you agree, or do you wish to apologise for one of these sides?

No food for an apologist 🍽

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Hamas is an Islamist extremist terrorist group looking to have a region wide caliphate.

 

Israel is a democracy of the one nation state in the world with a majority of Jewish people. It is not a theocracy.

 

Not equivalents.

 

Not a theocracy....?

Not yet, however, give it a little more time and we'll see.

It is certainly steaming ahead in that direction

 

From the Jerusalem Post

 

Lao Tzu once said, “If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.” Lately, it seems like Israel is heading in the direction of theocracy.

 

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-728728

 

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Incorrect.

 

Hamas intentionally murders civilians in the most barbaric ways possible. 

 

Israel targets terrorist targets thar have human shields at them. The targets are not the civilians. 

 

IMHO - Hamas almost exclusively targets civilians, so no argument there.

 

Israel certainly targets civilians - this much is obvious to anyone glancing at the Palestinian death toll.

 

If Israel valued Palestinian civilian life they would have sent in Special Forces to root out Hamas and not (carpet) bombed Gaza from 10,000 feet.

 

The Israeli's have clearly made the calculation that in order to minimise the number of IDF casualties they accept a high Palestinian civilian death toll.

 

Whatever the actual numbers are (e.g. every 1000 Palestinian deaths reduces the IDF casualty rate by 1) - Israel have knowingly chosen that path.

 

They have the right to operate in this fashion, but in choosing to do so, have zero claim to the moral high ground or elevated levels of civilisation.

 

They are in the gutter with Hamas.

 

BTW - "Precision bombing" is the mother of all oxymorons.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

9 hours ago, transam said:

Eliminations of Murderers of unarmed civilians, children, is the only answer, no question......Sorry if you disapprove..........🥴

“Elimination of murderers of unarmed civilians, children, is the only answer”

 

Agreed.

 

It seems we are in sync that both the Hamas and the IDF terrorists should be eliminated.

 

Glad to see you finally reject the dark side.

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

“Elimination of murderers of unarmed civilians, children, is the only answer”

 

Agreed.

 

It seems we are in sync that both the Hamas and the IDF terrorists should be eliminated.

 

Glad to see you finally reject the dark side.

Stop lying.

[MrMojoRisin]

29 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Stop lying.

What is the lie?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

 

An Israeli life is worth no more or no less than a Palestinian life, don't you agree?

 

  They swapped ONE Israeli prisoner  for 1000 Palestinian prisoners

 

That is the going rate for "worth" 

[MrMojoRisin]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  They swapped ONE Israeli prisoner  for 1000 Palestinian prisoners

 

That is the going rate for "worth" 

So you are fine with Israel killing 1000 Palestinian, men, women and children, for every single individual Israeli killed?

 

How hard is it to say that ALL people are equal?

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

So you are fine with Israel killing 1000 Palestinian, men, women and children, for every single individual Israeli killed?

 

How hard is it to say that ALL people are equal?

 

   There are too many people in this World , over population is having a terrible effect on the climate.

The Worlds population needs to decline a bit  

[MrMojoRisin]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

There are too many people in this World , over population is having a terrible effect on the climate.

The Worlds population needs to decline a bit  

So a bit of genocide then?

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

So a bit of genocide then?

 

  I am bored with talking about genocide of the Palestinians

I will go and find a more interesting topics to talk about 

You have well over used the word and its the same discussion every day 

 

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No way Hamas agrees to that.

Next

...

 

I don't know if Hamas (or Israel) will agree, but reports of 'deal' mediated by Qatar are along such lines: ceasefire, release of hostages for something (guess release of Hamas prisoners held by Israel). Some reports say it's in pretty advanced stages, but who knows? Previous negotiations on such matters took way longer.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

At any cost?

How many dead civilians is acceptable to achieve the stated goal?

Is the stated goal even achievable?

If not, then isn't the murder of so many civilians pure evil?

 

Senseless and indiscriminate murder.

Anyone with an ounce of humanity disapproves of the slaughter of women and children.

 

Direct your questions at the Palestinian leadership.

They started this war.

They did not do anything to protect their people.

They urged their people to stand their ground.

They do not open their underground facilities to save these women and children.

 

Murder is what Hamas did.

What you see now is what happens in every war.

Not the same.

[metisdead]

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[Morch]

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Repeating inaccuracies only serves to highlight the weakness of your argument.

 

Both Israel and Hamas are committing criminal acts against each other and against their own people without remorse - wouldn't you agree, or do you wish to apologise for one of these sides?

 

What criminal acts is Israel committing against its own people?

[Morch]

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

IMHO - Hamas almost exclusively targets civilians, so no argument there.

 

Israel certainly targets civilians - this much is obvious to anyone glancing at the Palestinian death toll.

 

If Israel valued Palestinian civilian life they would have sent in Special Forces to root out Hamas and not (carpet) bombed Gaza from 10,000 feet.

 

The Israeli's have clearly made the calculation that in order to minimise the number of IDF casualties they accept a high Palestinian civilian death toll.

 

Whatever the actual numbers are (e.g. every 1000 Palestinian deaths reduces the IDF casualty rate by 1) - Israel have knowingly chosen that path.

 

They have the right to operate in this fashion, but in choosing to do so, have zero claim to the moral high ground or elevated levels of civilisation.

 

They are in the gutter with Hamas.

 

BTW - "Precision bombing" is the mother of all oxymorons.

 

 

 

It's only 'obvious' if one has not clue what 'targeting' means. If Israel was out to kill civilians, the death toll would have been higher.

If someone displays this level of ignorance, then his military 'advice' should be ignored.

 

Israel is not obligated to value Palestinians' lives over Israeli lives.

Israel is not obligated to to care more about Palestinians' than the Palestinians' own government.

 

IDF soldiers are Israeli citizens.

Hamas could field his own men and face them, rather than asking Palestinian civilians to do so.

 

You whine about other poster playing 'arbiter' on the forum.

Apparently you see yourself as being an 'arbiter' on a way bigger scale.

Amusing.

 

Precision bombing is a thing. It doesn't imply pinpoint precision.

If Israel was using Hamas style bombing, there would be more dead Palestinians, and less buildings around.

 

 

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

So you are fine with Israel killing 1000 Palestinian, men, women and children, for every single individual Israeli killed?

 

How hard is it to say that ALL people are equal?

 

The hostage swap ratio was something set by Hamas (and in earlier days, the Fatah etc.).

Do you think that they will agree to a 1 for 1 swap this time?

 

Again, you expect Israel to value Palestinian lives, more than Palestinians do.

[Bkk Brian]

Latest War Updates:

 

Hamas leadership is urgently calling for further resistance in the West Bank. Hamas Political Bureau leader Ismail Haniyeh called for louder condemnation of Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.[xvii] Haniyeh claimed on October 7 that the Al Aqsa Flood Operation began in the Gaza Strip and will extend to the West Bank.[xviii] A cybersecurity monitoring group said it had observed the largest single internet disruption in the Gaza Strip since hostilities began, amounting to a “total or near total blackout of internet service.”[xix] Hamas Political Bureau member Hussam Badran made an urgent appeal to people in the West Bank that “this is the time for weapons.”[xx]

https://www.criticalthreats.org/analysis/iran-update-october-27-2023

[Neeranam]

"One does not wage war, whether profane or holy, before one offers peace, as it is written [Deuteronomy (Devarim) 20:10]—When you come near a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it! " Rambam

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Neeranam said:

"One does not wage war, whether profane or holy, before one offers peace, as it is written [Deuteronomy (Devarim) 20:10]—When you come near a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it! " Rambam

 

 

    "They drew First Blood "  Rambo

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

"One does not wage war, whether profane or holy, before one offers peace, as it is written [Deuteronomy (Devarim) 20:10]—When you come near a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it! " Rambam

 

Peace is offered

 

Release the hostages, all Hamas surrender, all Hamas military hardware destroyed.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

The hostage swap ratio was something set by Hamas (and in earlier days, the Fatah etc.).

Do you think that they will agree to a 1 for 1 swap this time?

 

Again, you expect Israel to value Palestinian lives, more than Palestinians do.

If Israel is as civilised as they claim to be shouldn’t they value all lives equally regardless of what the Palestinians (or anyone else for that matter) does?

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

If Israel is as civilised as they claim to be shouldn’t they value all lives equally regardless of what the Palestinians (or anyone else for that matter) does?

 

Maybe in your mind, though I doubt you believe it.

Countries and governments' first obligation is toward their own citizens.

 

Pretending to hold Israel to bogus moral standards is nothing new on these topics.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Direct your questions at the Palestinian leadership.

They started this war.

They did not do anything to protect their people.

They urged their people to stand their ground.

They do not open their underground facilities to save these women and children.

 

Murder is what Hamas did.

What you see now is what happens in every war.

Not the same.

Any other situations where you think it’s appropriate to blame the victims for the deeds of their murderers?

 

Murder is what Hamas did.

Murder is what the IDF is doing

 

There is a huge disparity in the military strength of the combatants in this conflict.

 

From all that I have read and seen so far, Russia have been far more law abiding and humane in their invasion of the Ukraine than the Israelis have been towards the Palestinian women and children they are killing by the thousands.

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

If Israel is as civilised as they claim

 

  Some clarification please ?

When did Israel make that claim ?

When did Israel make the claim that they are more civilised than any other Country ?