Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

 

The root cause is land.

No land theft = no hostages = no dead babies on either side.

There would not be millions of Jews / Israeli's in the Middle East if not for the bungled land theft post WW2.

Israel has no legitimate claim to the land other than its current existence.

This will not end until the Palestinians have what the Israeli's want for themselves - a homeland.

 

 

   The current cause was by Palestinian entering Israel and trying to steal Israeli land 

Had Hitler and the Palestinians have been successful, there would be no Jews left anywhere and no problems at all . 

 Todays  Problems are caused by Hitlers failure to implement his final solution for Jews , had there been no Jew left, there wouldnt be a problem in Palestine 

8 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Your grasp of what was actually claimed, and knowledge of what was actually shown seems lacking.

You're welcome to go back up topic and educate yourself.

 

Twist it as much as you like, the  poster responded to is constantly going on about babies in reference to one side.

Much less so for babies of the other.

 

There are no 'independent agencies' that can verify death tolls at this stage.

You're making things up, or misunderstand how this works.

 

It is beyond ridiculous that you guys constantly act is if all has been explained, answered and resolved "back up topic".

You post nonsense, misrepresent others and avoid like the plague every fact that does not align with your views.

You've answered nothing here and provided zero value, in fact, you've done little more than labelled everyone antisemites and awarded each other meaningless emojis for doing so.

 

The solution to Goldbach's conjecture..., "go back up topic and educate yourself'.

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5 hours ago, Morch said:

Some good news:

 

IDF says captured soldier rescued from Gaza during overnight operation

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-captured-soldier-rescued-from-gaza-during-overnight-operation/

Yes great news, been widely reported now, Israeli female soldier that was being held hostage was freed during IDF ground operations overnight after being taken hostage on 7 October.

 

image source

11 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The real evil in the world is muslims...“There’s no place to sit on a fence here. You’re either condemning it or you’re condoning it,”

Close, but no cigar.

 

The real evil in the world is muslims religion...“There’s no place to sit on a fence here. You’re either condemning it or you’re condoning it,”

6 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

It is beyond ridiculous that you guys constantly act is if all has been explained, answered and resolved "back up topic".

You post nonsense, misrepresent others and avoid like the plague every fact that does not align with your views.

You've answered nothing here and provided zero value, in fact, you've done little more than labelled everyone antisemites and awarded each other meaningless emojis for doing so.

 

The solution to Goldbach's conjecture..., "go back up topic and educate yourself'.

🤣🤣🤣

 

 

You've answered nothing here and provided zero value

 

Canned response and a clear case of projection from the resident Hamas apologist when faced with any criticism 

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

It is beyond ridiculous that you guys constantly act is if all has been explained, answered and resolved "back up topic".

You post nonsense, misrepresent others and avoid like the plague every fact that does not align with your views.

You've answered nothing here and provided zero value, in fact, you've done little more than labelled everyone antisemites and awarded each other meaningless emojis for doing so.

 

The solution to Goldbach's conjecture..., "go back up topic and educate yourself'.

🤣🤣🤣

 

 

 

 

    Having read the posts, Morch actually opposes people over using the "Anti sematic" accusation and he sides with you that the accusation shouldn't be used in the wrong place . 

   Morch is on your side in that disagreement , he agrees with you on that point and thus you are wrong in your post above

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Close, but no cigar.

 

The real evil in the world is muslims religion...“There’s no place to sit on a fence here. You’re either condemning it or you’re condoning it,”

There is a place for religion in the world... the problem lies with the religion that vilifies other people while they themselves are the villains... I stand by my post

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

    Having read the posts, Morch actually opposes people over using the "Anti sematic" accusation and he sides with you that the accusation shouldn't be used in the wrong place . 

   Morch is on your side in that disagreement , he agrees with you on that point and thus you are wrong in your post above

 

Again, you have failed to separate the general from the particular.

 

There are a damn site more posts by your mate hurling baseless claims of antisemitism than there is of them calling out such nonsense.

2 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

There is a place for religion in the world... the problem lies with the religion that vilifies other people while they themselves are the villains... I stand by my post

 

Religion summed up:

 

If they can make you believe absurdities, they can make you commit atrocities.

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Religion summed up:

 

If they can make you believe absurdities, they can make you commit atrocities.

The Hamas doctrine, wipe Israel off the face of the earth

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Again, you have failed to separate the general from the particular.

 

There are a damn site more posts by your mate hurling baseless claims of antisemitism than there is of them calling out such nonsense.

 

   Really .

I haven't been keeping count

So, how many of his posts makes baseless claims of anti Semitism and how many of the his posts are calling out "such nonsense" ?

   From my recollections, he made numerous posts stating various things are not anti sematic and just one post where he labelled a post to be anti sematic (and in that case, it indeed was)

 

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

If you truly believe that, then you have lost all humanity. You are in a cult. Anyone who thinks the deaths of so many innocents is a price worth paying for some land…, we’ll - it says all that needs to be said about such people.

 

The casual dismissal of such a large scale human tragedy is Hamas level barbarism.

 

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Notice the combination of anti Semitism and anti americanism.

Notice the need for some posters to spew anti-Semitism nonsense.

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The real evil in the world is muslims...“There’s no place to sit on a fence here. You’re either condemning it or you’re condoning it,”

Thanks for that insight SAC.

 

I'd had it so, so wrong. I thought it was the Russians and Chinese. Maybe the Nth Koreans are a tad naughty also.

 

Silly me.

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

The root cause is land.

No land theft = no hostages = no dead babies on either side.

There would not be millions of Jews / Israeli's in the Middle East if not for the bungled land theft post WW2.

Israel has no legitimate claim to the land other than its current existence.

This will not end until the Palestinians have what the Israeli's want for themselves - a homeland.

 

You could not be more wrong.

 

The root cause is deep and vile hatred. Hatred of Jews who dare to form their country in the center of Muslim lands. The depraved attack and atrocities of October 7 were not a political act.  They were simple savagery.  If Hamas wanted to target the IDF, they could have easily done so. But instead, the cowards chose to rape and murder and desecrate civilians. 

 

I guess the Jews could all just leave, and go to another Jewish country...... oh wait. Nevermind. 

6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

88 in the user name too. Outed.

 

Are you serious? People can have any number of reasons having that (or whatever number) in their profile names.

You'll find Israelis on social media with the same.

 

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

10 to 1 that is simply their birth year.

 

Your eagerness to label people without sufficient evidence has debased all value of the slurs you are hurling about.

 

I guess now you’ll have to try debating using facts and intellect instead. I already know how you’ll fare.

 

Claimed to have met Arafat, so unless he was 16 at the time, unlikely. Also implied extensive US government experience, doubt he's 37.

 

More importantly @Walker88 is not the topic.

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

American…, law…, morals.

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Even in a thread with so much nonsense, this takes the cake.

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Gee, the self-proclaimed law and morals expert has spoken.

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

If you truly believe that, then you have lost all humanity. You are in a cult. Anyone who thinks the deaths of so many innocents is a price worth paying for some land…, we’ll - it says all that needs to be said about such people.

 

The casual dismissal of such a large scale human tragedy is Hamas level barbarism.

 

You are many things, the arbiter of other posters' humanity ain't one of them.

As for 'cult' and the rest of your wild accusations, take a long look at the mirror.

The current war is not about land, unless you refer to Hamas's attempt to seize Israeli towns, settlements and so on.

Israel has little interest in ruling the Gaza Strip.

 

As for who thinks the deaths of so many innocents a price worth paying:

 

Mashaal: Hamas ‘well aware of consequences’ of attack, liberation demands ‘sacrifices’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mashaal-hamas-well-aware-of-consequences-of-attack-liberation-demands-sacrifices/ar-AA1izHNf

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Notice the combination of anti Semitism and anti americanism.

 

The latter yes, the former no.

Not saying it ain't there, but not in that post.

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

The root cause is land.

No land theft = no hostages = no dead babies on either side.

There would not be millions of Jews / Israeli's in the Middle East if not for the bungled land theft post WW2.

Israel has no legitimate claim to the land other than its current existence.

This will not end until the Palestinians have what the Israeli's want for themselves - a homeland.

 

 

When you say 'land theft' (from whom?) and reference post 1945, you're essentially objecting to Israel's very existence.

So basically, adopting Hamas position.

 

Hamas is not interested in compromise. You're into the 'river-to-the-sea' territory now.

 

 

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

The real evil in the world is muslims...“There’s no place to sit on a fence here. You’re either condemning it or you’re condoning it,”

 

I've no idea why you refereed this to me, or what it had to do with my post.

 

However, I do not agree.

The Muslim guy selling me them lovely chicken puffs at the market is not a problem.

The Bedouins who helped rescue party goers from that rave near the Gaza border aren't a problem.

The Muslim medical personnel manning many positions in Israel's hospital are not a problem.

My Muslim friends are not a problem.

 

There are, undeniably, issues with Islam or interpretations of it.

Wholesale, though, I think it's over the top to make such claims.

 

It's not very different form alleging things about Israel/Jews/Zionism based on action and ideology of the extreme religious right wing there.

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

It is beyond ridiculous that you guys constantly act is if all has been explained, answered and resolved "back up topic".

You post nonsense, misrepresent others and avoid like the plague every fact that does not align with your views.

You've answered nothing here and provided zero value, in fact, you've done little more than labelled everyone antisemites and awarded each other meaningless emojis for doing so.

 

The solution to Goldbach's conjecture..., "go back up topic and educate yourself'.

🤣🤣🤣

 

 

 

Many things have indeed been explained.

That you refuse to acknowledge that, or that some posters are not up to date does not change things.

There are just so many times I may feel compelled to rehash all details over and over again.

 

I actually address most posts that contain something which can be addressed.

Not always bothering with repetitive ones, nonsense ones, extra rude ones or off topic ones.

 

I most definitely did not label the poster the way you claimed, nor tend to make such allegations.

I'm not responsible for other posters' words and views.

 

As for value - not seeing of what 'value' your post above was, even by the 'standard' you seem to claim.

But that's quite routine by now.

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Responsibility lies with Hamas 

You, like others are cherry picking when blaming it all on Hamas. 

Anyone can see that if you persecute people, they react. 

Why did Israel introduce Apartheid, why do they treat Palestinians so terribly? 

Even Israeli human rights organisations recognise the apartheid, as well as Amnesty international and the UN. 

Yet, the fundamentalists deny it! 

https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it contols (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group – Jews – over another – Palestinians.

B’Tselem rejects the perception of Israel as a democracy (inside the Green Line) that simultaneously upholds a temporary military occupation (beyond it). B’Tselem reached the conclusion that the bar for defining the Israeli regime as an apartheid regime has been met after considering the accumulation of policies and laws that Israel devised to entrench its control over Palestinians

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Again, you have failed to separate the general from the particular.

 

There are a damn site more posts by your mate hurling baseless claims of antisemitism than there is of them calling out such nonsense.

 

No, there aren't.

You are lying again.

 

There was one posters who was obviously antisemitic (on a parallel topic) which I commented on.

On this topic, maybe a couple which are borderline but are trying to play it safe - don't think i took much part in that 'debate'.

 

I'm not responsible for what other people post.

It's not my job to denounce each and every post I disagree with.

2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Religion summed up:

 

If they can make you believe absurdities, they can make you commit atrocities.

 

Going by your posts......should we be worried, then?

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

 

Notice the need for some posters to spew anti-Semitism nonsense.

 

Notice the need of some posters to make blanket denials of?

Is this conflict all about land? 

 

Israel works to Judaize the entire area, treating land as a resource chiefly meant to benefit the Jewish population. Since 1948, Israel has taken over 90% of the land within the Green Line and built hundreds of communities for the Jewish population. Since 1967, Israel has also enacted this policy in the West Bank, building more than 280 settlements for some 600,000 Jewish Israeli citizens. Israel has not built a single community for the Palestinian population in the entire area stretching from the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (with the exception of several communities built to concentrate the Bedouin population after dispossessing them of most of their property rights).

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Mojo may be misguided and wrong about most things , but I wouldn't classify him as being "evil"  .

 

I disagree.

9 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

we saw precision bombs going into Air Vents that's how accurate they are

You throw around these “nuggets” like they were candy; they address little of what is seen in the photos that look more like a blanket bombing strategy, than precision bombing. Also, the casualties, “number of people killed in Gaza since 7 October has risen to 5,087. Women and children have made up more than 62 percent of the fatalities, while more than 15,273 people have been injured”  don't back you up. Maybe if you were standing in the middle of the rubble, you would have a different opinion. I also find it interesting that it is okay for early Zionists to fight and kill for political gain, but other people fighting for the same rights on the other side must be eradicated. Reminds me of another political solution that we all agree is abhorrent, but seems to be playing out in Palestine, where people are herded and controlled, rights taken away, private property and land confiscated; with no future in the box Netanyahu helped build.

Just now, Neeranam said:

You, like others are cherry picking when blaming it all on Hamas. 

Anyone can see that if you persecute people, they react. 

Why did Israel introduce Apartheid, why do they treat Palestinians so terribly? 

Even Israeli human rights organisations recognise the apartheid, as well as Amnesty international and the UN. 

Yet, the fundamentalists deny it! 

"You, like others are cherry picking when blaming it all on Hamas."

Who else can you blame it on, without their barbaric incursion into Israel none of the Israeli actions wouldn't have been necessary, so yes, it is the sole responsibility of the Palestinian terrorists what is happening now.

 

Anyone can see that if you persecute people, they react. 

Don't you think that cutting a baby out of the womb and beheading it is slightly overreacting, because most civilised people do.

 

The rest of your post is again repetitive mumbo jumbo!

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Is this conflict all about land? 

 

Israel works to Judaize the entire area, treating land as a resource chiefly meant to benefit the Jewish population. Since 1948, Israel has taken over 90% of the land within the Green Line and built hundreds of communities for the Jewish population. Since 1967, Israel has also enacted this policy in the West Bank, building more than 280 settlements for some 600,000 Jewish Israeli citizens. Israel has not built a single community for the Palestinian population in the entire area stretching from the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (with the exception of several communities built to concentrate the Bedouin population after dispossessing them of most of their property rights).

Nice copy and paste there Neeranam you really should link it to the source