ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[rabas]

15 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I guess they must have been granted citizenship when Israel was formed. I can't find anything about Arabs being naturalized, even if they marry an Israeli. 

 

I say they are not full citizens, as they can't get an Israeli passport. 

Dear god, it's the first item that comes up in google, don't just search under your bed...

 

Individuals born within the country receive an Israeli passport at birth if at least one parent is a citizen. Non-Jewish foreigners may naturalize after living in the country for at least three years while holding permanent residency, renouncing former citizenship, and learning Hebrew.

 

Wow.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, bobbin said:

The Truth?  555

 

Go on..double down.

 

It's not an ad hominem attack to tell someone they don't know what they are talking about!

Report it if you think there's a problem, but cut out these personal attacks!

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

No difference whatsoever.
 

Israel-Hamas conflict: Top commander admits Israel knew civilians were in refugee camp: WARNING: Graphic. A senior Israeli commander has made a stark concession in an interview about the bombing of a refugee camp.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israelhamas-conflict-father-of-shani-louk-says-festival-goer-was-killed-on-the-spot/news-story/03c71e631ef3e5c58a4802075140a598

 

The old “Hamas rocket misfire” ain’t going to have too many buyers this time around.

 

The explanation for such things was discussed numerous times by now. That you either refuse to accept facts, or unable to learn them is obvious.

 

Civilians are not offered 100% protection by international laws regarding the conduct of war. There are many situations in which such protections can be ignored. For example, if the target is used for military purposes. In that case, the violation would actually be with the side having civilians on the premises. Further, even with clear knowledge that civilians will be hurt or killed, what determines the right to attack is the significance of the target relative to expected casualties.

 

Now, you can go on one of your fiery fact-free rants and toss blame and scorn all about. That's what you do. But Israel did not set up these rules. You don't like it? Go on a campaign to change the rules.

 

Not everything that you cry 'war crime' about is actually a war crime.

 

As for your last line - wait for it. How many of the casualties were Hamas operatives? How many civilians? How verified are the reports?

[still kicking]

Israel-Hamas conflict: Top commander admits Israel knew civilians were in refugee camp

Israel-Hamas conflict: Top commander admits Israel knew civilians were in refugee camp | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

[Morch]

59 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

In fairness, is the interviewer  just repeating things he heard or he has seen the evidence. I would walk out too if stuff is said that is possibly not true but said over and over again to make it true.

I'm  sure terrible shocking things take place on both sides of the fence. I know that because we are dealing with humans on both sides. My review of the human species is 1 out of 5 stars across the board.  

 

 

You deny Hamas murdered Israeli civilians on 7/10? Atrocities committed?

There's ample proof.

Other than Hamas and fans no one seriously claims otherwise.

[Morch]

51 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

So why do they only target Jews in Israel for their attacks?

 

Why not Jews elsewhere in the world if the issue is some 7th century nonsense?

 

Why are you so afraid to speak the simple truth?

 

There were Arabs, both Christian and Muslim murdered by Hamas on 7/10.

There were Hamas rockets exploding over Arab settlements in Israel, some resulting in casualties.

 

Hamas does not have much of a global reach, maybe to your chagrin.

 

Not sure what your point is really, considering what appears in the Hamas Charter.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

13 minutes ago, bobbin said:

The Truth?  555

 

Go on..double down.

 

It's not an ad hominem attack to tell someone they don't know what they are talking about!

Don’t wade into the quagmire.

Best to trust your gut and move on.

[Morch]

53 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Tell us why the people of Gaza need protection?

 

Because Hamas picks up fights it can't win vs. Israel.

At the expense of the Palestinian civilians.

 

 

[Morch]

51 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Yeah, that’s what the Dictators say.

Must be true.

 

It's a choice to see the ICC, the UN and associated bodies as balanced and objective.

Facts do not tally with your take.

[MrMojoRisin]

Just now, Morch said:

 

It's a choice to see the ICC, the UN and associated bodies as balanced and objective.

Facts do not tally with your take.

Yeah, that’s what the Dictators say.

Must be true.

[Morch]

38 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Oh yeah?

Results are kind of skewed though aren’t they.

All the deaths have occurred on stolen land.

 

Well, 'stolen' if you adopt Hamas rhetoric.

[Morch]

34 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

“What they could do”

🤣🤣🤣

 

They can do only what the US permits them to do.

 

No unilateral US support = no Israel.

 

As usual, when you cannot address a point (even in reply to your own comments) - it's deflection and move the goal posts.

[Morch]

36 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Examples?

Links?

Or just more lies?

 

Your posts, for example - using Hamas rhetoric and terminology, accepting premise of basic Hamas ideology, citing casualty figures without question, accepting initial post-event Hamas statements as fact and so on. All over the topic, even if only counting this morning's fare.

[Morch]

37 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What do you mean, so far? 

Israel has been documented as committing considerable war crimes. 

 

No.

Alleged to have committed.

Not the same.

[TimeMachine]

14 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You deny Hamas murdered Israeli civilians on 7/10? Atrocities committed?

There's ample proof.

Other than Hamas and fans no one seriously claims otherwise.

Not quite. I deny that everything a reporter or interviewer says is true.

[Morch]

19 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Israel-Hamas conflict: Top commander admits Israel knew civilians were in refugee camp

Israel-Hamas conflict: Top commander admits Israel knew civilians were in refugee camp | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1308598-israel-is-at-war/page/230/#comment-18466400

[Morch]

12 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Yeah, that’s what the Dictators say.

Must be true.

 

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

Not quite. I deny that everything a reporter or interviewer says is true.

 

And how does that relate to this particular instance oh the Hamas guy cutting the interview?

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

Not quite. I deny that everything a reporter or interviewer says is true.

What claims was the reporter making and what was the Hamas leader denying? The Hamas leader denied they targeted civilians on the 7th Oct. It is a fact they did. They even videoed themselves doing it.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Interesting starting point.

 

I do seem to recall the UN Secretary General uttering something about a “vacuum”.

 

Anyway, Hamas wants a high civilian death toll - this is common knowledge.

 

Israel doesn’t get a free pass to commit atrocities because their opponents commit atrocities.

 

Why are you only condemning one side?

 

History will view those condoning Israel’s war crimes very harshly.

Nope.

 

The world will be a safer place when Hamas is destroyed.

[TimeMachine]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What claims was the reporter making and what was the Hamas leader denying? The Hamas leader denied they targeted civilians on the 7th Oct. It is a fact they did. They even videoed themselves doing it.

The reporter was generalising and implying Hamas is killing indiscriminately without understanding exact details of each incident and why the reported killings happened. That's what pissed off the interviewee. I try to get both sides mentality. 

[Rimmer]

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[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

The reporter was generalising and implying Hamas is killing indiscriminately without understanding exact details of each incident and why the reported killings happened. That's what pissed off the interviewee. I try to get both sides mentality. 

Nonsense. The hamas leader was challenged with the truth. He was a coward and quit. 

[Morch]

12 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

The reporter was generalising and implying Hamas is killing indiscriminately without understanding exact details of each incident and why the reported killings happened. That's what pissed off the interviewee. I try to get both sides mentality. 

 

That's utter nonsense, unless you adopt Hamas propaganda view.

Civilians were specifically targeted for murder and kidnapping as hostages.

Others were indiscriminately murdered.

[bobbin]

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

Whilst your post is an ad hominem attack on someone speaking the truth. Why do all the insults come from the terrorist apologists, can you not find anything of substance to say?

Before i leave for the day.. Your above characterization of me as a "terrorist apologist" is completely incorrect!

 

With reference to the sadistic murderous acts by Hamas on October 7, I have in parallel threads condemned the perpetrators as beasts, deserving of the death that most received.

 

The background to that murderous action is a legitimate topic for discussion.

 

And your responses to my statement(s) shows me that you are indeed "wobbly".

Edited November 1, 2023 by bobbin

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 hours ago, TimeMachine said:

In fairness, is the interviewer  just repeating things he heard or he has seen the evidence. I would walk out too if stuff is said that is possibly not true but said over and over again to make it true.

I'm  sure terrible shocking things take place on both sides of the fence. I know that because we are dealing with humans on both sides. My review of the human species is 1 out of 5 stars across the board.  

 

 

I have seen a lot of comments on this thread defending, excusing, deflecting, and even trying to justify the atrocities carried out by the terrorist government of Gaza, Hamas; but you are saying that Israeli civilians were possibly not killed on 7/10, but the accusation was said over and over again to make it true.

 

And you had the temerity to start your comment with “in fairness” …. after which you then proceeded to promote yourself as the thread’s number one apologist for Hamas. shame on you.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

I have seen a lot of comments on this thread defending, excusing, deflecting, and even trying to justify the atrocities carried out by the terrorist government of Gaza, Hamas; but you are saying that Israeli civilians were possibly not killed on 7/10, but the accusation was said over and over again to make it true.

 

And you had the temerity to start your comment with “in fairness” …. after which you then proceeded to promote yourself as the thread’s number one apologist for Hamas. shame on you.

It's the modern variation of holocaust denial. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

52 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

I try to get both sides mentality

 

Pants on fire 

[JBChiangRai]

Strikes on south Gaza: BBC verifies attacks in areas of ‘safety’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67264703
 

These kind of reports together with high civilian casualty numbers (especially children) is likely to harm Israel’s reputation and weaken support from the international community.

[Jingthing]

Blast from the past!

Many will remember this lovely young lady. What a gem.

I agree with her that the west bank settlements are illegal.

 

However,

 

Tamimi: 'We will drink your blood, what Hitler did to you was a joke' - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

Quote

 

Tamimi: 'We will drink your blood, what Hitler did to you was a joke'

"You will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke - come on, we are waiting for you," Palestinian political activist Ahed Tamimi said.