ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

So, what do you propose to prevent this horrific tragedy from happening again?

Give the Palestinians what they want. If not, at least treat them equally and with respect. 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Give the Palestinians what they want. If not, at least treat them equally and with respect. 

You mean the river-to-the-sea bit? Because that's pretty much the Hamas's stance.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Israel has just killed 140 chilren in Gazza. 

I've just done a quick web search. It throws up nothing.

 

In fact the only connection it showed between Gaza and the number 140 is that Gaza covers an area of 140 square miles.

 

Do you have a link to support your claim?

Edited October 10, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[Morch]

IDF instructs Gazans on evacuation routes, while many find shelter in UNRWA schools

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-instructs-gazans-on-evacuation-routes-while-many-find-shelter-in-unrwa-schools/

 

The inhumanity....

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

How can the world sit and watch the Netanyahu wipe out over 2 million people by refusing them food and water? How can some even support it?

This is pure ethnic cleansing and he is a Fascist war criminal. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where was your bleeding heart when Hamas was perpetrating their multiple appalling atrocities, eh ?

 

Slaughtering 260 young kids at a music concert with machine guns, entering houses and executing young children in front of their parents, and then abducting the parents; next house, executing parents in front of their young children and then abducting the children; dragging an 85 year old woman out of her house and abducting her, executing young women, then stripping them naked and parading them through the streets on a pick up truck.

 

Didn’t hear from you throughout all those barbaric acts, but now you surface with your pseudo moral indignation about anything that may happen as a response to this terrorism.

It would  now appear to me that you are simply an apologist for terrorism, no more, no less.

[Hawaiian]

51 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Give the Palestinians what they want. If not, at least treat them equally and with respect. 

The Palestinians want to see the destruction of Israel.  Why would Israel treat them with respect?

 

[Tidal wave]

The analysis now.

 

 

[Hanaguma]

44 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

The Palestinians want to see the destruction of Israel.  Why would Israel treat them with respect?

 

This is the key point. You cannot have a negotiated settlement or a "two state solution" when one of the states involved is only interested in the complete destruction of the other. At best it will be a way to delay the inevitable problem. 

 

If Gazans are serious about wanting peace, they would kick out all the Hamas terrorists and terror supporters in their midst. Refuse to be used as human shields and props for Hamas propaganda. 

[novacova]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Give the Palestinians what they want. If not, at least treat them equally and with respect. 

Here we have a statement of an emissary of the Hamas terrorist thugs. Every ounce of blood of both sides is 100% the doing of the Hamas criminals, the criminals that celebrate murder rape and kidnap, using their own civilians as defense shields. Any mitigation of reference for Israel to hold back on implementing their defense and survival in the midst of pure hatred is antisemitic rhetoric. 

[Hawaiian]

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This is the key point. You cannot have a negotiated settlement or a "two state solution" when one of the states involved is only interested in the complete destruction of the other. At best it will be a way to delay the inevitable problem. 

 

If Gazans are serious about wanting peace, they would kick out all the Hamas terrorists and terror supporters in their midst. Refuse to be used as human shields and props for Hamas propaganda. 

Couldn't have said it better.  Thank you.

[3NUMBAS]

the rockets must have come in by sea so why didnt the y mine the beaches

 and sea ??

[Paul Catton]

54 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

The Palestinians want to see the destruction of Israel.  Why would Israel treat them with respect?

 

Simplisticlty, The Palestinians want to see access back to their homeland that they were evicted from

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Simplisticlty, The Palestinians want to see access back to their homeland that they were evicted from

Define access.

[herfiehandbag]

I have just watched a comprehensive 45 minute Channel 4 News ( UK Terrestrial TV channel) report on the Gaza attacks.

 

It was (perhaps surprising for some, C4 has something of a reputation for bias) an even handed report. It did however include what was probably the most crass and inconsiderate question ever asked by an interviewing journalist. Imagine asking a man, 6 of whose family including a 9 month old baby and an elderly medicine dependent aunt, had been seized and dragged into Gaza as hostages : " have you any sympathy for people in Gaza?"

How stupid can you get?

 

At the end the studio presenter tried to browbeat the Israeli ambassador to the UK in a studio interview , accusing Israel of engaging in unrestricted collective punishments. She absolutely wiped the floor with him.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[novacova]

14 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Simplisticlty, The Palestinians want to see access back to their homeland that they were evicted from

The Palestinians are essentially held captive by Hamas supported by Iran. Iran and Hamas and Israels neighbors want nothing less than the total extermination of Jews. With that ingrained in to their DNA, there is no compromise, no honorable negotiation is possible, annihilation of the Israel is their goal. Again, anyone who refuses to accept this reality is a sympathizer of these terrorist and expressing a mitigation toward antisemitism, ignorance is not an excuse.

Edited October 10, 2023 by novacova

[impulse]

25 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If Gazans are serious about wanting peace, they would kick out all the Hamas terrorists and terror supporters in their midst. Refuse to be used as human shields and props for Hamas propaganda. 

While I agree conceptually, I'm also keenly aware that Hamas has the weapons.  Kicking them out may be difficult for the less well armed populace.

 

[Neeranam]

45 minutes ago, novacova said:

Any mitigation of reference for Israel to hold back on implementing their defense and survival in the midst of pure hatred is antisemitic rhetoric

Oh dear, here we go. Anybody criticises Israel and they're labeled antisemetic. 

 

[MrMojoRisin]

6 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I tried to explain. Short term the only solution, and it is a stopgap, is the destruction of Hamas, which otherwise will continue instigating slaughter. If they are not defeated they (with Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad) are an existential threat to Israel. That means ( they openly advocate) a genocide of the Jewish population.

 

Long term, remove the instigators, funders and planners. Iran, or more accurately their theocratic regime. As long as they are " players", there will never be peace. Peace needs goodwill on both sides, that goodwill, or the potential for it, exists in Israel. Iran will not allow it on the Palastinian side.

Are Hamas instigating or retaliating against the instigators?

 

Your one sided "long term" solution is nonsense. Israel has the power to unilaterally impose a border upon the Palestinians but they refuse to as it would mean an end to their ability to steal Palestinian land.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

The Palestinians are essentially held captive by Hamas supported by Iran. Iran and Hamas and Israels neighbors want nothing less than the total extermination of Jews. With that ingrained in to their DNA, there is no compromise, no honorable negotiation is possible, annihilation of the Israel is their goal. Again, anyone who refuses to accept this reality is a sympathizer of these terrorist and expressing a mitigation toward antisemitism, ignorance is not an excuse.

Bull<deleted> excuses to enable Israel to continue stealing land.

[Paul Catton]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Define access.

Happy to oblige, will always debate personally upon any contentious issue, however "Pandra's box" might have now been opened and "pass the parcel" from many decades ago have failed.  I do not require anonymity behind an "avatar" neither a "pseudonym". 

"Define Access". 

Historically, the Victorious Allies of WW2 ceded land  etc....

[MrMojoRisin]

38 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I have just watched a comprehensive 45 minute Channel 4 News ( UK Terrestrial TV channel) report on the Gaza attacks.

 

It was (perhaps surprising for some, C4 has something of a reputation for bias) an even handed report. It did however include what was probably the most crass and inconsiderate question ever asked by an interviewing journalist. Imagine asking a man, 6 of whose family including a 9 month old baby and an elderly medicine dependent aunt, had been seized and dragged into Gaza as hostages : " have you any sympathy for people in Gaza?"

How stupid can you get?

 

At the end the studio presenter tried to browbeat the Israeli ambassador to the UK in a studio interview , accusing Israel of engaging in unrestricted collective punishments. She absolutely wiped the floor with him.

 

 

Why is the question crass and inconsiderate?

 

Now that this gentleman has first hand experience of what the last 75 years have been like for Palestinians under Israeli occupation, perhaps the lightbulb has finally flickered to life for him.

 

Had he and his fellow Israeli's managed a to be a touch more empathetic towards decades of Palestinian suffering his family would not be in such an awful predicament.

 

We reap what we sow.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

This is the key point. You cannot have a negotiated settlement or a "two state solution" when one of the states involved is only interested in the complete destruction of the other. At best it will be a way to delay the inevitable problem. 

 

If Gazans are serious about wanting peace, they would kick out all the Hamas terrorists and terror supporters in their midst. Refuse to be used as human shields and props for Hamas propaganda. 

If the Israeli's were serious about wanting peace, they wouldn't have murdered Yitzhak Rabin.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Why is the question crass and inconsiderate?

 

Now that this gentleman has first hand experience of what the last 75 years have been like for Palestinians under Israeli occupation, perhaps the lightbulb has finally flickered to life for him.

 

Had he and his fellow Israeli's managed a to be a touch more empathetic towards decades of Palestinian suffering his family would not be in such an awful predicament.

 

We reap what we sow.

Hamas most certainly will, then perhaps Gaza can move on...........????

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

The Palestinians want to see the destruction of Israel.  Why would Israel treat them with respect?

 

If Israel treated Palestinians with respect would Palestinians still want to see the destruction of Israel?

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Happy to oblige, will always debate personally upon any contentious issue, however "Pandra's box" might have now been opened and "pass the parcel" from many decades ago have failed.  I do not require anonymity behind an "avatar" neither a "pseudonym". 

"Define Access". 

Historically, the Victorious Allies of WW2 ceded land  etc....

So instead of an answer, word salad. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

If the Israeli's were serious about wanting peace, they wouldn't have murdered Yitzhak Rabin.

"They" murdered him eh?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

If Israel treated Palestinians with respect would Palestinians still want to see the destruction of Israel?

Absolutely, and if you don't understand that you are part of the problem 

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Hamas most certainly will, then perhaps Gaza can move on...........????

Israel will certainly kill plenty of Palestinians, lifting their usual Palestinian murder rate by several orders of magnitude in the days and weeks ahead; but only a fool would believe this whole situation won't be repeated again and again in the years ahead.

 

Give it a few years and many hundreds or thousands of Israeli's will again be murdered by disgruntled Palestinians...., and so on and on it goes.

[MrMojoRisin]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

"They" murdered him eh?

It certainly wasn't the Palestinians or the Iranians was it, eh?

[transam]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Israel will certainly kill plenty of Palestinians, lifting their usual Palestinian murder rate by several orders of magnitude in the days and weeks ahead; but only a fool would believe this whole situation won't be repeated again and again in the years ahead.

 

Give it a few years and many hundreds or thousands of Israeli's will again be murdered by disgruntled Palestinians...., and so on and on it goes.

Yeh, riiiight, just like ISIS, where are they now.....????