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1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

So, what do you propose to prevent this horrific tragedy from happening again?

Give the Palestinians what they want. If not, at least treat them equally and with respect. 

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2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Give the Palestinians what they want. If not, at least treat them equally and with respect. 

You mean the river-to-the-sea bit? Because that's pretty much the Hamas's stance.

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3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Israel has just killed 140 chilren in Gazza. 

I've just done a quick web search. It throws up nothing.

 

In fact the only connection it showed between Gaza and the number 140 is that Gaza covers an area of 140 square miles.

 

Do you have a link to support your claim?

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51 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Give the Palestinians what they want. If not, at least treat them equally and with respect. 

The Palestinians want to see the destruction of Israel.  Why would Israel treat them with respect?

 

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7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This is the key point. You cannot have a negotiated settlement or a "two state solution" when one of the states involved is only interested in the complete destruction of the other. At best it will be a way to delay the inevitable problem. 

 

If Gazans are serious about wanting peace, they would kick out all the Hamas terrorists and terror supporters in their midst. Refuse to be used as human shields and props for Hamas propaganda. 

Couldn't have said it better.  Thank you.

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I have just watched a comprehensive 45 minute Channel 4 News ( UK Terrestrial TV channel) report on the Gaza attacks.

 

It was (perhaps surprising for some, C4 has something of a reputation for bias) an even handed report. It did however include what was probably the most crass and inconsiderate question ever asked by an interviewing journalist. Imagine asking a man, 6 of whose family including a 9 month old baby and an elderly medicine dependent aunt, had been seized and dragged into Gaza as hostages : " have you any sympathy for people in Gaza?"

How stupid can you get?

 

At the end the studio presenter tried to browbeat the Israeli ambassador to the UK in a studio interview , accusing Israel of engaging in unrestricted collective punishments. She absolutely wiped the floor with him.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Simplisticlty, The Palestinians want to see access back to their homeland that they were evicted from

The Palestinians are essentially held captive by Hamas supported by Iran. Iran and Hamas and Israels neighbors want nothing less than the total extermination of Jews. With that ingrained in to their DNA, there is no compromise, no honorable negotiation is possible, annihilation of the Israel is their goal. Again, anyone who refuses to accept this reality is a sympathizer of these terrorist and expressing a mitigation toward antisemitism, ignorance is not an excuse.

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25 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If Gazans are serious about wanting peace, they would kick out all the Hamas terrorists and terror supporters in their midst. Refuse to be used as human shields and props for Hamas propaganda. 

While I agree conceptually, I'm also keenly aware that Hamas has the weapons.  Kicking them out may be difficult for the less well armed populace.

 

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45 minutes ago, novacova said:

Any mitigation of reference for Israel to hold back on implementing their defense and survival in the midst of pure hatred is antisemitic rhetoric

Oh dear, here we go. Anybody criticises Israel and they're labeled antisemetic. 

 

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6 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I tried to explain. Short term the only solution, and it is a stopgap, is the destruction of Hamas, which otherwise will continue instigating slaughter. If they are not defeated they (with Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad) are an existential threat to Israel. That means ( they openly advocate) a genocide of the Jewish population.

 

Long term, remove the instigators, funders and planners. Iran, or more accurately their theocratic regime. As long as they are " players", there will never be peace. Peace needs goodwill on both sides, that goodwill, or the potential for it, exists in Israel. Iran will not allow it on the Palastinian side.

Are Hamas instigating or retaliating against the instigators?

 

Your one sided "long term" solution is nonsense. Israel has the power to unilaterally impose a border upon the Palestinians but they refuse to as it would mean an end to their ability to steal Palestinian land.

 

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1 hour ago, novacova said:

The Palestinians are essentially held captive by Hamas supported by Iran. Iran and Hamas and Israels neighbors want nothing less than the total extermination of Jews. With that ingrained in to their DNA, there is no compromise, no honorable negotiation is possible, annihilation of the Israel is their goal. Again, anyone who refuses to accept this reality is a sympathizer of these terrorist and expressing a mitigation toward antisemitism, ignorance is not an excuse.

Bull<deleted> excuses to enable Israel to continue stealing land.

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5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Define access.

Happy to oblige, will always debate personally upon any contentious issue, however "Pandra's box" might have now been opened and "pass the parcel" from many decades ago have failed.  I do not require anonymity behind an "avatar" neither a "pseudonym". 

"Define Access". 

Historically, the Victorious Allies of WW2 ceded land  etc....

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38 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I have just watched a comprehensive 45 minute Channel 4 News ( UK Terrestrial TV channel) report on the Gaza attacks.

 

It was (perhaps surprising for some, C4 has something of a reputation for bias) an even handed report. It did however include what was probably the most crass and inconsiderate question ever asked by an interviewing journalist. Imagine asking a man, 6 of whose family including a 9 month old baby and an elderly medicine dependent aunt, had been seized and dragged into Gaza as hostages : " have you any sympathy for people in Gaza?"

How stupid can you get?

 

At the end the studio presenter tried to browbeat the Israeli ambassador to the UK in a studio interview , accusing Israel of engaging in unrestricted collective punishments. She absolutely wiped the floor with him.

 

 

Why is the question crass and inconsiderate?

 

Now that this gentleman has first hand experience of what the last 75 years have been like for Palestinians under Israeli occupation, perhaps the lightbulb has finally flickered to life for him.

 

Had he and his fellow Israeli's managed a to be a touch more empathetic towards decades of Palestinian suffering his family would not be in such an awful predicament.

 

We reap what we sow.

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2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Why is the question crass and inconsiderate?

 

Now that this gentleman has first hand experience of what the last 75 years have been like for Palestinians under Israeli occupation, perhaps the lightbulb has finally flickered to life for him.

 

Had he and his fellow Israeli's managed a to be a touch more empathetic towards decades of Palestinian suffering his family would not be in such an awful predicament.

 

We reap what we sow.

Hamas most certainly will, then perhaps Gaza can move on...........????

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1 minute ago, transam said:

Hamas most certainly will, then perhaps Gaza can move on...........????

Israel will certainly kill plenty of Palestinians, lifting their usual Palestinian murder rate by several orders of magnitude in the days and weeks ahead; but only a fool would believe this whole situation won't be repeated again and again in the years ahead.

 

Give it a few years and many hundreds or thousands of Israeli's will again be murdered by disgruntled Palestinians...., and so on and on it goes.

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1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Israel will certainly kill plenty of Palestinians, lifting their usual Palestinian murder rate by several orders of magnitude in the days and weeks ahead; but only a fool would believe this whole situation won't be repeated again and again in the years ahead.

 

Give it a few years and many hundreds or thousands of Israeli's will again be murdered by disgruntled Palestinians...., and so on and on it goes.

Yeh, riiiight, just like ISIS, where are they now.....????   

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