ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Eloquent pilgrim]

4 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

There are now going to be thousands of atrocities committed across the world by all religious zealots and vengeance seekers.  

But mostly by islamic fundamentalists / extremists / terrorists, which you neglected to mention in your sweeping generalisation; just an oversight on your part, I’m sure

[Paul Catton]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You seem to know more than Joe. Perhaps you should hop on a plane and present your case. Although that may mean being near a mosque or or syngogue 

Sorry Brian, do not really think flippancy is appropriate, I believe the ongoing escalation will extend well beyond regional borders, and atrocities will extend worldwide by zealots.

[Slip]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

There is another question, why would they blow up their own people? 

By mistake.

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Why did Biden cancel his meeting?

Oh dear.  For someone who posts incessantly on this thread you don't seem to be very well informed.  The Arabic parties cancelled the meeting.

 

I have avoided posting on these threads before so far.  The behaviour of both Hamas and the Israeli government are abhorrent, but watching posters of either ilk misrepresenting the situation to cast blame only on the other side is equally appalling.

[Paul Catton]

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

But mostly by islamic fundamentalists / extremists / terrorists, which you neglected to mention in your sweeping generalisation; just an oversight on your part, I’m sure

No, by religious zealots or ideological impaired individuals who deem themselves to be righteous.

Christchurch Mosque attack was by an Islamic Fundamentalist? 

Christchurch Mosque Shootings

[Chelseafan]

2 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

 

Al Jazeera is anti Semitic and is probably telling you news that you want to believe rather than what is the truth.

 

"Al Jazeera Media Network, endowed by the Government of Qatar, is one of the world's largest news organizations. It provides extensive news coverage through 80 bureaus on a variety of media platforms in several languages, including Arabic and English. Al Jazeera has a large audience, but the organization (particularly its original Arabic channel) has been criticized for its alleged involvement in controversies ranging from slanted journalism to anti-Hindu bias and anti-Israel bias."

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism

And the same Qatar that is alledgedly funding terrorism militants (Sorry BBC) including those in the ME.

 

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, Slip said:

I have avoided posting on these threads before so far.  The behaviour of both Hamas and the Israeli government are abhorrent, but watching posters of either ilk misrepresenting the situation to cast blame only on the other side is equally appalling.

I totally agree. 

 

4 minutes ago, Slip said:

Oh dear.  For someone who posts incessantly on this thread you don't seem to be very well informed.  The Arabic parties cancelled the meeting.

Thanks for the answer.  I've learned a lot on this thread, I didn't know only experts were allowed to post. 

I have no horse in this race, like Piers Morgan just said in a interview I watched. He is a good, unbiased reporter, yet like me, gets unfairly labelled as a racist/antisemite.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Sorry Brian, do not really think flippancy is appropriate, I believe the ongoing escalation will extend well beyond regional borders, and atrocities will extend worldwide by zealots.

Apologies accepted. Your propaganda on what Joe does or doesn't know is however B.S.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

After reading a couple dozen posts on this thread. One common phrase occurs regularly. ''Anti semetic.''

 

For me, this is not just a nonsense, but an umbrella term covering virtually anything that is not the main western or a certain historical line.

 

''Anti semetic.'' This term is so broad in meaning now, that just general political speech regarding Israel, can be deemed so.

Absolutely! 

 

 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

The media is so one sided, the media should now show the real story, 

💯

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Paul Catton said:

Joe has landed and is giving his first press update, let us hope he can provide a diffusion to the situation.

 

I hope he can remember to read the teleprinter and not fall over a sandbag. 

[Slip]

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I totally agree. 

 

Thanks for the answer.  I've learned a lot on this thread, I didn't know only experts were allowed to post. 

I have no horse in this race, like Piers Morgan just said in a interview I watched. He is a good, unbiased reporter, yet like me, gets unfairly labelled as a racist/antisemite.

<snipped that dreadful character>

 

You may note I said "well informed" not "expert".

 

However you are exactly one of the people who thrashes a partisan line with dozens of posts: Just the kind of person I was discussing.

 

Piers Morgan is an abomination and by no means good or unbiased, but I have no idea if he is antisemitic or not.

 

But I believe we all have a horse in the race one way or another.

EDIT: I meant to say that TRT world (Turkey) is still reporting it as an Israeli air attack despite all evidence otherwise. 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Slip

[Eloquent pilgrim]

17 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

No, by religious zealots or ideological impaired individuals who deem themselves to be righteous.

Christchurch Mosque attack was by an Islamic Fundamentalist? 

Christchurch Mosque Shootings

Paul, I am fully aware of that appalling atrocity, as I am of the monstrous killings by the Norwegian Anders Breivik in 2011, but it is disingenuous not to admit that a huge majority of terrorist attacks in the last twenty five years have been perpetrated by Islamists, unless you have an agenda of denial.

 

I will name just a few that are indelibly etched in my memory, some for  obvious reasons, and some for reasons not so obvious. There are thousands more, as you are well aware, so please don’t get into a naming terrorist atrocities exchange with me ..... thanks

 

9/11

Bataclan

7/7

Lee Rigby

Father Jacques Hamel (throat slit at alter of church)

Manchester arena bombing

Nice truck attack (84 killed)

Charlie Hebbo

Samuel Paty (French teacher beheaded)

Westminster bridge 2017

Magnanville France, Police officer and his wife stabbed to death

[Paul Catton]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Apologies accepted. Your propaganda on what Joe does or doesn't know is however B.S.

"Sorry Brian" wasn't an apology, rather a term to indicate our viewpoint is different.

It is not "my" propaganda that is BS, it is an adverse reporting of events from sources that doesn't fit your perceived narrative from your sources of information.

[Thorgal]

18 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I hope he can remember to read the teleprinter and not fall over a sandbag. 

He's a (ultra right) zionist neocon : he told this so many times and that was part of the success of his election campaign. 

His (ultra right) zionist Likud buddy is in domestic political problems in Israel and Joe will have to back up in the region.

 

Look at all (most) victims from both sides till now : all of them originate from the national socialist (left) movements.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

"Sorry Brian" wasn't an apology, rather a term to indicate our viewpoint is different.

It is not "my" propaganda that is BS, it is an adverse reporting of events from sources that doesn't fit your perceived narrative from your sources of information.

Feel free to supply a link to your non propaganda authorative sources.

[Thorgal]

6 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

"Sorry Brian" wasn't an apology, rather a term to indicate our viewpoint is different.

It is not "my" propaganda that is BS, it is an adverse reporting of events from sources that doesn't fit your perceived narrative from your sources of information.

Hey Paul, thanks for your unbiased and objective quotes.

 

(Success by the way next Friday against Argentine.)

[Neeranam]

24 minutes ago, Slip said:

However you are exactly one of the people who thrashes a partisan line with dozens of posts: Just the kind of person I was discussing.

This is totally wrong. I have no side in this. I got accused of being  Anti-Jew just because I pointed out some truths about what Israel has done in this war, including the war crimes. I support no one in this war, is that clear? 

 

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

He's a (ultra right) zionist neocon : he told this so many times and that was part of the success of his election campaign. 

His (ultra right) zionist Likud buddy is in domestic political problems in Israel and Joe will have to back up in the region.

 

Look at all (most) victims from both sides till now : all of them originate from the national socialist (left) movements.

 

 

Thanks for sharing that. Nice to see not everyone in this thread is polarized to the point of being radical.

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Feel free to supply a link to your non propaganda authorative sources.

Dude, do you need links for everything?

Sometimes the narrative is obvious. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Dude, do you need links for everything?

Sometimes the narrative is obvious. 

Dude when some one accuses me that my links are propaganda then yes I require a sample of his. Savvy dude?

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

He's a (ultra right) zionist neocon : he told this so many times and that was part of the success of his election campaign. 

His (ultra right) zionist Likud buddy is in domestic political problems in Israel and Joe will have to back up in the region.

 

Look at all (most) victims from both sides till now : all of them originate from the national socialist (left) movements.

 

 

Wow, I didn't recognize Joe. At least he can string words together then. 

He's an embarrassment to the Western world now. No doubt the anti-Trump supremacists will call me ageist, and a Trump supporter. 

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Israel have killed 1,000+ children in Gaza already, not counting the recent hospital bombing. 

There is a difference between children getting killed accidentally in pursuit of the enemy, and deliberately killing children, killing torturing and raping women, decapitating babies etc. Hamas and other jihadist groups enjoy these things. 

As for the hospital 'bombing', as we're finding out it's most likely a failed Hamas missile that caused it. Who'd have thought using hospitals and schools as shields could result in an accident like that...

[metisdead]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Dude, do you need links for everything?

Sometimes the narrative is obvious. 

 

From the header of this forum:

 

The War in Israel

Latest developments and discussion of events in the Israel-Hamas War. Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source.

[Neeranam]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Dude when some one accuses me that my links are propaganda then yes I require a sample of his. Savvy dude?

Sorry Brian, I'm mixing you up with another poster. This is why I used 'dude', a US term. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Sorry Brian, I'm mixing you up with another poster. This is why I used 'dude', a US term. 

What poster was that then?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Sorry Brian, I'm mixing you up with another poster. This is why I used 'dude', a US term. 

And you think Joe Biden has problems with cognitive function

[Eloquent pilgrim]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

What poster was that then?

He can't remember .... 

[Paul Catton]

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Feel free to supply a link to your non propaganda authorative sources.

There are no non authoritative propaganda sources.

Al Jazeera is my preferred source of news for the Middle East, BBC for matters pertaining to the UK and Europe, CNN for the Americas, (Asean Now for Thailand, perhaps I should go to Thaiger)!  

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

There are no non authoritative propaganda sources.

Al Jazeera is my preferred source of news for the Middle East, BBC for matters pertaining to the UK and Europe, CNN for the Americas, (Asean Now for Thailand, perhaps I should go to Thaiger)!  

Al jazeera. Figures. Yea Thaiger maybe better for you.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Paul Catton said:

No, by religious zealots or ideological impaired individuals who deem themselves to be righteous.

Christchurch Mosque attack was by an Islamic Fundamentalist? 

Christchurch Mosque Shootings

Ahem! Nobody's perfect, but it has been quite trendy among Islamic extremists for a certain number of years.

(Please note that I wrote "Islamic extremists", and not 'Muslims').