Hanaguma Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, KhunLA said: You can give Gaza & Hamas all the money you want, but if Israel won't allow supplies to cross the border, then useless. Many would love to leave Gaza, but again, Israel & Egypt control the border and don't allow it. They even stopped travel between Gaza & W. Bank, cutting off families and support from other Palestinians. If the border is shut so tight, then how did Hamas somehow acquire the materials and explosives necessary to manufacture literally THOUSANDS of rockets, which are regularly shot into Israel? Not to mention the weapons used by the terrorists last week, the paragliders, etc. Nah, it is obviously a conscious choice. Arms over infrastructure. I am sure many would love to leave Gaza, but to go where? As I wrote before, there is no love for Palestinians in any of their ethnic/religious brother nations. That is why they have been languishing for 70 plus years. Not the Israeli's fault or the world's fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: If the border is shut so tight, then how did Hamas somehow acquire the materials and explosives necessary to manufacture literally THOUSANDS of rockets, which are regularly shot into Israel? Not to mention the weapons used by the terrorists last week, the paragliders, etc. Nah, it is obviously a conscious choice. Arms over infrastructure. I am sure many would love to leave Gaza, but to go where? As I wrote before, there is no love for Palestinians in any of their ethnic/religious brother nations. That is why they have been languishing for 70 plus years. Not the Israeli's fault or the world's fault. Yes, one does wonder who & how these proxy wars are supplied. Well, I don't, but then I'm just a conspiracy nut ... or so I'm told when thinking out loud ???? Probably something as simply as 'follow the money to the profiteers' would answer that query, but may be hazardous to one's (investigative reporter's) health, if reported. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, 2baht said: Why do you think it happened? One would argue that to have peace and prosperity a nation of people would allow other nations of people to also have peace and prosperity... the arabs have never in the history of the middle east allowed this to happen... they have goaded and goaded the jewish nation of Israel at every opportunity... their fate is on them and their behavior. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said: One would argue that to have peace and prosperity a nation of people would allow other nations of people to also have peace and prosperity... the arabs have never in the history of the middle east allowed this to happen... they have goaded and goaded the jewish nation of Israel at every opportunity... their fate is on them and their behavior. Some would argue the exact opposite is and has been in play for some time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, 2baht said: Some would argue the exact opposite is and has been in play for some time! And who is it choosing to behave this way... arab terrorists is the correct answer 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, Skipalongcassidy said: And who is it choosing to behave this way... arab terrorists is the correct answer That's one answer, I don't condone what Hamas did but the score to date is 1400 dead Israeli's, 2800 dead Palestinians, there are terrorists on both sides! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, 2baht said: That's one answer, I don't condone what Hamas did but the score to date is 1400 dead Israeli's, 2800 dead Palestinians, there are terrorists on both sides! Do Israeli forces deliberately target Gazan civilians? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, Morch said: Do Israeli forces deliberately target Gazan civilians? Well they did'nt commit suicide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 19 hours ago, Hanaguma said: How about a chunk of Iraq or Syria or Egypt for the Palestinians? They are more than 100 times the size of Israel. Leave the Jews their small slice of paradise. It was their country first???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: It was their country first???? Really? According to whom? This is a ridiculous argument that can be carried to absurd levels. The Ottoman empire can just as easily say the same. Or the Romans. Or the Assyrians. Or the neanderthals. Maps change over time. Borders change too. Look at any map of the world today and compare it to even 100 years ago. Not the same. The ME is the same too. Borders change, nations are born, wars are lost and territory lost also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, 2baht said: That's one answer, I don't condone what Hamas did but the score to date is 1400 dead Israeli's, 2800 dead Palestinians, there are terrorists on both sides! War is not a game. You do not win or lose by counting bodies. You also don't stop once you have 'equalled the score' of the other side. ...or should Israel merely do just as Hamas did? Perhaps find a music festival in Gaza and murder 250 people there. Count the number of rape victims in Israel, then rape exactly the same number of Gazan women. It is a facile argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, Hanaguma said: Perhaps find a music festival in Gaza and murder 250 people there. Perhaps an airstrike on a building in Gaza with women and children! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, 2baht said: Perhaps an airstrike on a building in Gaza with women and children! You mean AFTER the Israelis dropped leaflets telling civilians to leave? Or drop a small 'warning bomb' to alert the residents to get out? Or should they try to find a building that doesn't have Hamas infrastructure, weapons, and supplies.... good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: You mean AFTER the Israelis dropped leaflets telling civilians to leave? Or drop a small 'warning bomb' to alert the residents to get out? Or should they try to find a building that doesn't have Hamas infrastructure, weapons, and supplies.... good luck with that. There is no solution till one side annihilates the other whoever that may be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: It was their country first???? But, the USA, Australia and a few other countries did belong to others first..............???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, 2baht said: Well they did'nt commit suicide! That's no answer. People (including civilians) die in wars all the time. There's no wholesale labeling of it as 'terrorism', though. Targeting civilians is one thing, what Israel does is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 14 hours ago, 2baht said: That's one answer, I don't condone what Hamas did but the score to date is 1400 dead Israeli's, 2800 dead Palestinians, there are terrorists on both sides! What a stupid thing to say... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 22 hours ago, Hanaguma said: Given the billions of dollars in aid given to Gaza over the years, their lack of infrastructure can only be placed on those who govern the area. In other words, Hamas. They spent the money on weapons and tunnels, not on water treatment plants and power generators. Given the israeli's propensity to destroy Gaza infrastructure, it would probably be a waste of time building water treatment plants, even if the israelis allowed them too, which is doubtful as they probably wish to keep them dependent on water controlled by the israelis. Gaza does have a power generator, but without fuel, which is cut off by the israelis it doesn't work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 17 hours ago, Hanaguma said: You mean AFTER the Israelis dropped leaflets telling civilians to leave? Or drop a small 'warning bomb' to alert the residents to get out? Or should they try to find a building that doesn't have Hamas infrastructure, weapons, and supplies.... good luck with that. and where can they go without being killed? Seems nowhere, when even hospitals are being bombed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 21 hours ago, Hanaguma said: I am sure many would love to leave Gaza, but to go where? As I wrote before, there is no love for Palestinians in any of their ethnic/religious brother nations. That is why they have been languishing for 70 plus years. Not the Israeli's fault or the world's fault. By what convoluted reasoning is it not the israeli's fault? They displaced many of the people in Gaza when they created israel by taking other people's land, and have been oppressing them ever since. The western world is also at fault by turning a blind eye to israel's flouting of international law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: By what convoluted reasoning is it not the israeli's fault? They displaced many of the people in Gaza when they created israel by taking other people's land, and have been oppressing them ever since. The western world is also at fault by turning a blind eye to israel's flouting of international law. Whose land did Israel take exactly? As I recall history, Israel was created by the UN, then suddenly attacked by 5 countries. The refugee crisis is a result of that attack. And the sad irony is that the attacking countries REFUSED, and continue to refuse, to accept any refugees into their lands as residents. OR even at all in many cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/17/2023 at 6:16 AM, thaibeachlovers said: Perhaps McD's branches in Saudi will be a bit short of customers now! I doubt it, and certainly not for very long. Saudis are obsessed with all things American, in particular fast food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenStark Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Not only McD takes sides, this the EU head office in Brussels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Given the israeli's propensity to destroy Gaza infrastructure, it would probably be a waste of time building water treatment plants, even if the israelis allowed them too, which is doubtful as they probably wish to keep them dependent on water controlled by the israelis. Gaza does have a power generator, but without fuel, which is cut off by the israelis it doesn't work. Despite your attempts to deny it, the destruction periodically and currently visited on the Gaza Strip does have something to do with Hamas actions and policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 20 hours ago, Hanaguma said: Whose land did Israel take exactly? As I recall history, Israel was created by the UN, then suddenly attacked by 5 countries. The refugee crisis is a result of that attack. And the sad irony is that the attacking countries REFUSED, and continue to refuse, to accept any refugees into their lands as residents. OR even at all in many cases. Given you and I have similar viewpoints on different subjects than israel I do not wish to put you on ignore, but I will not be responding to your posts concerning israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Given the israeli's propensity to destroy Gaza infrastructure, it would probably be a waste of time building water treatment plants, even if the israelis allowed them too, which is doubtful as they probably wish to keep them dependent on water controlled by the israelis. Gaza does have a power generator, but without fuel, which is cut off by the israelis it doesn't work. You seem to unaware that Gaza also shares a border with Egypt as well and Gazains manage to get enough fuel to fire 10 000 rockets , an idea would be to use that fuel to fire power stations instead of firing rockets ? Palestinians used water pipes to make rockets and how they have no pipes for water 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMuddle Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 On 10/16/2023 at 2:35 PM, Hanaguma said: The flaw in your logic is assuming that only Jews would support McUgly's in their actions. In reality, the vast majority of people in the rich G7 world support Israel whether or not they are Jewish. I will be having a Big Mac set myself tomorrow for lunch in solidarity. Completely wrong. Those of us who are educated, and humane, do not support israel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, MrMuddle said: Completely wrong. Those of us who are educated, and humane, do not support israel. You can pretend everyone who supports Israel is uneducated and inhumane. No problem with that. Doesn't make it true, of course, and looking at some of the 'pro-Palestinain' and resulting mayhem, one got to wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMuddle Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 On 10/16/2023 at 4:33 PM, Hanaguma said: How about a chunk of Iraq or Syria or Egypt for the Palestinians? They are more than 100 times the size of Israel. Leave the Jews their small slice of paradise. Ridiculous! How about the Jews stop trying to claim land that they forfeited 2,000 years ago? Or are you OK with the US being retaken by Native Americans, or the UK being subject to the Angles, or Saxons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, MrMuddle said: Ridiculous! How about the Jews stop trying to claim land that they forfeited 2,000 years ago? Or are you OK with the US being retaken by Native Americans, or the UK being subject to the Angles, or Saxons? How about dealing with the reality that Israel exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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