Biggest Ever Swing in By-Election

[Chomper Higgot]

Slap and slap again:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/oct/20/byelections-live-tamworth-mid-bedfordshire-conservatives-tories-labour-liberal-democrats

[PPGuy]

Biggest ever swing in By-Election? Nope. Not even close.........

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_by-election_records

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, PPGuy said:

Biggest ever swing in By-Election? Nope. Not even close.........

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_by-election_records

Thanks for the link:

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

It's been quite clear for sometime there will be a change of the guard in parliament.

 

Labour will likely win a majority. That will let them attempt to put their policies into action.

 

The big hurdle is money. There isn't any. 

[lungbing]

That's usually the case when a Tory government takes over from a Labour one.

[Denim]

I am now 66.

 

In my time I have seen successive governments come and go. Both Tory and Labour .

 

All I can assume from this is that if none of them had made a pigs ear of their time in office then they would have retained their office come election time.

 

Either that or the expectations of the electorate are somewhat fickle and they just fancy a change in the belief that the other mob will in someway do more for them than those in the driving seat.

 

And so , the never ending cycle of musical chairs continues.

 

In the recent Thai elections,  a breath of fresh air blew in and was quickly blown out.

 

I can't  help feeling that if the UK does not get a similar breath of fresh air then the countries downward slide will continue .

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, lungbing said:

That's usually the case when a Tory government takes over from a Labour one.

What 14 years ago?

 

 

[stratocaster]

The best two stories doing the rounds are the Tory supporters claiming it is just a by election blip. The other is that a faction within the far right Tory MP's are pushing for Nigel Farage to be the next leader of the party. Firstly he would need to find a safe Tory seat at the general election and those will be like hens teeth to find. Also the last time he stood for parliment he was beaten by a candidate dressed as a dolphin.

[RayC]

4 hours ago, stratocaster said:

The best two stories doing the rounds are the Tory supporters claiming it is just a by election blip. The other is that a faction within the far right Tory MP's are pushing for Nigel Farage to be the next leader of the party. Firstly he would need to find a safe Tory seat at the general election and those will be like hens teeth to find. Also the last time he stood for parliment he was beaten by a candidate dressed as a dolphin.

Suella won't be happy. As I write she's probably looking for a reason to deport Nige.

[Seppius]

There is little doubt in my mind that Labour will win the next election, people will vote for them knowing illegal immigration will get much worse.

 

Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are waiting in the wing, these guys will decide policy, not Starmer IMHO

 

The problems that people are tired of in the UK are being faced by most major European countries, cost of living, immigration, strikes, high interest rated and inflation

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Seppius said:

There is little doubt in my mind that Labour will win the next election, people will vote for them knowing illegal immigration will get much worse.

 

Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are waiting in the wing, these guys will decide policy, not Starmer IMHO

 

The problems that people are tired of in the UK are being faced by most major European countries, cost of living, immigration, strikes, high interest rated and inflation

Hogwash.

 

The main voter concerns are the cost of living crisis and the NHS crisis (which will get worse over the winter).

 

The Tories have made ‘illegal’ immigration their central platform, together with promoting culture wars they talk of little else.

 

Clearly the Tory focus on immigration failed, two absolute hammerings in these bye-elections ought to have driven that message home.

 

Corbyn is not a member of the Labour Party

Tony Blair is not coming back or deciding any policies.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Utterly tone deaf:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/20/rishi-sunak-considers-tax-cut-for-top-earners-after-byelection-defeats

[stratocaster]

Be interesting to see the news from the UK on Wednesday, as the Tory party will reveal if 52 no confidence letters have been received in regards to Sunak. Rumor has it that 40 had been submitted before the last by-by elections.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, stratocaster said:

Be interesting to see the news from the UK on Wednesday, as the Tory party will reveal if 52 no confidence letters have been received in regards to Sunak. Rumor has it that 40 had been submitted before the last by-by elections.

Now that would be a laugh.

[Seppius]

On 10/21/2023 at 2:22 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Hogwash.

 

The main voter concerns are the cost of living crisis and the NHS crisis (which will get worse over the winter).

 

The Tories have made ‘illegal’ immigration their central platform, together with promoting culture wars they talk of little else.

 

Clearly the Tory focus on immigration failed, two absolute hammerings in these bye-elections ought to have driven that message home.

 

Corbyn is not a member of the Labour Party

Tony Blair is not coming back or deciding any policies.

 

 

If you don't think Blair and Corbyn will not be heavily involved in a new Labour government, you will be in for a shock, immigration and left wing wokeness will be out of control, bad enough as it is

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Seppius said:

If you don't think Blair and Corbyn will not be heavily involved in a new Labour government, you will be in for a shock, immigration and left wing wokeness will be out of control, bad enough as it is

Let me know when you have some facts to discuss.

[Seppius]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let me know when you have some facts to discuss.

How is this for a start

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-tony-blair-advise-next-labour-government/

 

Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair wants to advise the next Labour government, he told the New Statesman in an interview excerpts of which were published Thursday

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Seppius said:

How is this for a start

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-tony-blair-advise-next-labour-government/

 

Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair wants to advise the next Labour government, he told the New Statesman in an interview excerpts of which were published Thursday

 

 

Tony Blair wants?

 

Now how about Jeremy?

 

I think voters are more worried about a return of Truss, or worse still any of the extremist loons lining up to take Sunak’s job at the first opportunity.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Seppius said:

If you don't think Blair and Corbyn will not be heavily involved in a new Labour government, you will be in for a shock, immigration and left wing wokeness will be out of control, bad enough as it is

 

Given that Corbyn will not be a Labour MP in the next Parliament, it's pretty certain that he will not be a member of any Labour government.

[Seppius]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

Given that Corbyn will not be a Labour MP in the next Parliament, it's pretty certain that he will not be a member of any Labour government.

I never said he would be an MP, or in the government, neither will Blair, but won't stop either being highly influential in the running of the country

Edited October 28, 2023 by Seppius
missed an N

[RayC]

On 10/28/2023 at 4:10 PM, Seppius said:

I never said he would be an MP, or in the government, neither will Blair, but won't stop either being highly influential in the running of the country

 

I can imagine that Blair may have some influence on Starmer if the latter becomes PM, as they appear to have similar views on many issues.

 

Corbyn? Can you elaborate on how he might influence a PM Starmer. They don't appear to have much in common politically, and probably aren't drinking buddies.

[stratocaster]

Never mind by-elections, look at the polls released  for the general election. Even before Nige threw his hat in the ring the (not withstanding the fact that his grifting position with Trump is possibly in dire straits due to Trumps convictions) the Tories were on to their worst loss in 106 years. At the present stats, even Rees Mogg the quintessential figure of conservative 1860 values that only ex Etonions scholars have the intellect to be permitted to run the country, will lose his seat. Also Grant Shapps whose IQ has had to fight a running battle with my shoe size is in jeopardy.

But do not write off the willy fox our Nige. Even though he has suffered the ignominy of 7 election defeats including a defeat from a dolphin he has picked possibly, the best chance of victory in Clacton on Sea. A 1 year old documentary set in a gents barber shop reveals the following comments."We voted for Brexit to stop all immigration the Tories have done nothing". Clacton was the highest proportion of leave voters of any town with 70%, with immigration as the number one reason "This Conservative government has done nothing to reduce immigration. "There are more Turkish business's than white business" . "It is shocking that the most popular fish and chip shop in Clacton is run by Turks and white people use it". Also the town with the highest obesity levels, mobility scooter use and actively able, but inactive workforce.