Michael Cohen says he inflated assets to ‘whatever number Trump told us to’

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2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Ever heard of due diligence? I guess not. Bur here you go: 

 

I think it's hilarious that because it's Trump, everyone on the left pretends to believe the bank takes your word that your financial statements are complete and correct to secure a loan.

 

It's even funnier that because it's Trump, everyone on the left pretends the tax collector takes your word for the value of your assets to determine how much tax you have to pay.

 

You guys crack me up. 

Actually, what's sad, and not funny, is your lack of knowledge concerning the situation with the IRS. For years the Republicans have underfunded the IRS. It simply didn't have the resources to go after the wealthy protected as they are with teams of high powered lawyers.

 

The GOP Gutted the IRS — and the Rich Made Out Like Bandits

For much of the last decade, the Republican Party has branded itself as a champion of fiscal responsibility and the rule of law — while doing everything in its power to help rich people steal from the Treasury.

Since taking Congress in 2011, the GOP has forced through a series of aggressive cuts to the Internal Revenue Service budget. Between 2010 and 2016, the number of individual tax returns filed in the U.S. increased by 7 percent, while IRS funding fell by 18 percent. That funding cut was exorbitantly expensive. Every $1 the government spends on enforcing tax compliance, it gets $6 back in recovered revenue, according to Treasury Department estimates.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/irs-the-gop-propublica-budget-cuts-enforcement-billions.html

 

 

[Longwood50]

On 11/6/2023 at 6:32 PM, Danderman123 said:

Disprove me if you can but otherwise, stop lying.

Letticia James focused on only one person. Irrespective of whether Trump had been 'accused' of Fraud or Not. 


Disprove me or otherwise stop lying. 

This cartoon summarizes the kangaroo court in New York 

Again to repeat.  Without a complaint from the bank this is nothing more than weaponizing government

As said.  It was wrong of Nixon to weaponize government.  It is wrong for New York to do so also. 

Even the Chinese recognize what your hatred for Trump blinds you to. 

[Berkshire]

43 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Letticia James focused on only one person. Irrespective of whether Trump had been 'accused' of Fraud or Not. 


Disprove me or otherwise stop lying. 

This cartoon summarizes the kangaroo court in New York 

Again to repeat.  Without a complaint from the bank this is nothing more than weaponizing government

As said.  It was wrong of Nixon to weaponize government.  It is wrong for New York to do so also. 

Even the Chinese recognize what your hatred for Trump blinds you to. 

I will explain it to you with facts.  It all started in 2019 at a Congressional hearing where Cohen testified.  It's all there in the linked article. 

 

[The New York attorney general this week credited the 2019 exchange with prompting the probe.]

["I will remind everyone that this investigation only started after Michael Cohen, the former lawyer, his former lawyer, testified before Congress and shed light on this misconduct," James said.]

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-questions-michael-cohen-2019-sparked-ny-ag-trump-lawsuit-2022-9

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I will explain it to you with facts.  It all started in 2019 at a Congressional hearing where Cohen testified.  It's all there in the linked article. 

 

[The New York attorney general this week credited the 2019 exchange with prompting the probe.]

["I will remind everyone that this investigation only started after Michael Cohen, the former lawyer, his former lawyer, testified before Congress and shed light on this misconduct," James said.]

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-questions-michael-cohen-2019-sparked-ny-ag-trump-lawsuit-2022-9

No. Most every non-leftist knows it all started in July of 2016 when Trump won the nomination. Even thinking leftists know this, even though they have to pretend they don't. 

[Berkshire]

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No. Most every non-leftist knows it all started in July of 2016 when Trump won the nomination. Even thinking leftists know this, even though they have to pretend they don't. 

Of course, you have no proof of this.  You just conjured that up in your head. 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Letticia James focused on only one person. Irrespective of whether Trump had been 'accused' of Fraud or Not. 


Disprove me or otherwise stop lying. 

This cartoon summarizes the kangaroo court in New York 

Again to repeat.  Without a complaint from the bank this is nothing more than weaponizing government

As said.  It was wrong of Nixon to weaponize government.  It is wrong for New York to do so also. 

Even the Chinese recognize what your hatred for Trump blinds you to. 

The entire world knew that Trump committed bank fraud after Michael Cohen's testimony.

 

Since the documents in question are fraudulent, and Trump signed off on them, as did his sons, then they are guilty of fraud. Trump has admitted that the fraudulent asset valuation documents were intended to induce banks to lend him money.

 

No honest prosecutor would ignore that amount of fraud, at least not in the US.

 

It's interesting that you ignore that Trump committed fraud.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

55 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No. Most every non-leftist knows it all started in July of 2016 when Trump won the nomination. Even thinking leftists know this, even though they have to pretend they don't. 

Leticia James was not in office in 2016.

 

This particular case was spurred by Michael Cohen's testimony in 2019.

[Georgealbert]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Letticia James focused on only one person. Irrespective of whether Trump had been 'accused' of Fraud or Not. 


Disprove me or otherwise stop lying. 

This cartoon summarizes the kangaroo court in New York 

Again to repeat.  Without a complaint from the bank this is nothing more than weaponizing government

As said.  It was wrong of Nixon to weaponize government.  It is wrong for New York to do so also. 

Even the Chinese recognize what your hatred for Trump blinds you to. 

Can you recommend a “prosecuting attorney” in Thailand I can ask?

 

i remember you had previous experience after getting pushed by a Juristic Entity Chairperson.

 

 

[Longwood50]

49 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Can you recommend a “prosecuting attorney” in Thailand I can ask?

PM sent

[Longwood50]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

This particular case was spurred by Michael Cohen's testimony in 2019.

Yes he was given  "PLEA DEAL' if he gave dirt on Trump  As I said, weaponizing government. A person given a plea deal in return for information on another is not a credible source.  Such testimony is coerced and not volunteered and is highly suspect since the person getting the deal knows exactly they are trying to induce something giving them cause to go after their true target. 

 

 

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former attorney, pleaded guilty today to eight charges in federal court.

They included tax evasion and bank fraud but also campaign finance violations, specifically for his role in payments made to women to keep them from talking about alleged affairs with Trump ahead of the 2016 election.

Michael Cohen would have testified that he had sex and gave golden showers to Trump if it lowered his sentence. 

Again, I have challenged you repeated times.  Name one person, one organization, or one company whose bank records were looked at to see if they similarly submitted documents to the banks for loans. 

If you cannot, which I know you can't this is no different than Nixon having the IRS target only his political opponents for special scrutiny.  It is a "show me the man" " I will find the crime" Hell the person can be totally innocent but pummeled by a government with unlimited funds and manpower at its disposal.  Case in point look at the IRS.  Why such a high conviction rate.  Most plead guilty because they can't afford the cost to fight the IRS.  That is true when government weaponizes itself.  You can't win because they cherry pick the judge to oversee the case, and even if false flood the court proceedings with "evidence" they filter through to show only the incriminating but not the exculpatory findings.  

 

 

 

[Danderman123]

19 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

A person given a plea deal in return for information on another is not a credible source.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thousands of people are convicted every year on the basis of testimony stemming from plea deals.

 

You can start your own topic about plea deals. 

 

Not relevant to this topic.

[Longwood50]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Thousands of people are convicted every year on the basis of testimony stemming from plea deals.

As I have repeatedly said.  

NAME 1 JUST 1 INSTANCE Where the AG has deliberately gone after just one person and ignored all others. 

You can deny it or perhaps you are just intellectually unable to grasp it.  

This is nothing but a vindictive attorney who specifically targeted Trump and Trump alone.  



Michael is the one who said he put down the figures.  

First off I seriously doubt that Trump would have his personal attorney prepare financial records for the bank.  His accountants yes.  His attorney no. 

If Michael Cohen did in fact submit false documents to the bank, did the AG's office also go after him for filing false financial information. 

See what a Democrat said when the Biden administation brought charges related to classified documents only against Trump while not pursuing charges on others who were not political opponents. 



Elise Stefanik, D-N. Y., who heads the messaging operation, said in a statement that Trump's indictment “is the epitome of the illegal and unprecedented weaponization of the federal government against Joe Biden's leading opponent, Donald J. Trump.”
 

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

As I have repeatedly said.  

NAME 1 JUST 1 INSTANCE Where the AG has deliberately gone after just one person and ignored all others. 

 

Asset valuation fraud is widely prosecuted.

 

https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/financial-statement-fraud/9781118421475/OEBPS/9781118421475_epub_c07.htm

 

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2022-29

 

Trump will appeal the guilty verdict, but the Court of Appeals will uphold the guilty verdict.

 

 

 

[Danderman123]

48 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

 

What this is really about is lack of accountability, starting with Trump, and filtering down to his minions. Trump never takes responsibility for his actions, insteading blaming anyone he can think of, much like a child.

 

The bigger problem is that his supporters absorb that message, and those unsatisfied with their position in life, blame someone else for their poor life choices. As this becomes magnified over time, the trends are not good. One object of their dissatification was Congress on January 6 - Trump lost, so Pence was to blame and had to be stopped.

 

Now Trump is blaming the entire legal system (except Judge Cannon) for his crimes, and is ready to tear it down.

 

But that could just be the start. Trump goons may start attacking anyone who may be perceived as being at blame for their problems - police, minorities, immigrants, the Jews, we have seen this movie before.

 

Trump is psychologically unable to accept responsibility, so, in this case, his minions will blame the AG, the judge, the banks, Michael Cohen, the insurers, anyone but the person who profited from the asset valuation fraud. Let's see if our legal system can withstand the coming storm.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Danderman123

[rudi49jr]

56 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Elise Stefanik, D-N. Y., who heads the messaging operation, said in a statement that Trump's indictment “is the epitome of the illegal and unprecedented weaponization of the federal government against Joe Biden's leading opponent, Donald J. Trump.

You are aware of Trump’s one and only reason to want to become president again, aren’t you? Because he’s made it abundantly clear that when he does, his only goal is to go after everybody who ever so much as looked funny at him. And he’s going to use (i.e. abuse) all the might of the federal government to accomplish his goal. No weaponization of the federal government there, right? 

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1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

As I have repeatedly said.  

NAME 1 JUST 1 INSTANCE Where the AG has deliberately gone after just one person and ignored all others. 

You can deny it or perhaps you are just intellectually unable to grasp it.  

This is nothing but a vindictive attorney who specifically targeted Trump and Trump alone.  



Michael is the one who said he put down the figures.  

First off I seriously doubt that Trump would have his personal attorney prepare financial records for the bank.  His accountants yes.  His attorney no. 

If Michael Cohen did in fact submit false documents to the bank, did the AG's office also go after him for filing false financial information. 

See what a Democrat said when the Biden administation brought charges related to classified documents only against Trump while not pursuing charges on others who were not political opponents. 



Elise Stefanik, D-N. Y., who heads the messaging operation, said in a statement that Trump's indictment “is the epitome of the illegal and unprecedented weaponization of the federal government against Joe Biden's leading opponent, Donald J. Trump.”
 

"Elise Stefanik, D-N. Y., who heads the messaging operation, said in a statement that Trump's indictment “is the epitome of the illegal and unprecedented weaponization of the federal government against Joe Biden's leading opponent, Donald J. Trump.”

 

I got news for you. Elise Stefanik is a Republican.

[rudi49jr]

28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"Elise Stefanik, D-N. Y., who heads the messaging operation, said in a statement that Trump's indictment “is the epitome of the illegal and unprecedented weaponization of the federal government against Joe Biden's leading opponent, Donald J. Trump.”

 

I got news for you. Elise Stefanik is a Republican.

And not just any Republican: she’s a hardcore, all-in Trumper and MAGA cult member. 

[candide]

35 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"Elise Stefanik, D-N. Y., who heads the messaging operation, said in a statement that Trump's indictment “is the epitome of the illegal and unprecedented weaponization of the federal government against Joe Biden's leading opponent, Donald J. Trump.”

 

I got news for you. Elise Stefanik is a Republican.

And a perfect one! 😃

 

Fact check: Elise Stefanik tried to get election overturned, promoted election lies

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/politics/fact-check-stefanik-big-lie-election-trump/index.html

[Cory1848]

2 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

See what a Democrat said when the Biden administation brought charges related to classified documents only against Trump while not pursuing charges on others who were not political opponents. 

Elise Stefanik, D-N. Y., who heads the messaging operation, said in a statement that Trump's indictment “is the epitome of the illegal and unprecedented weaponization of the federal government against Joe Biden's leading opponent, Donald J. Trump.”
 

Elise Stefanik is a Republican, in fact the fourth-ranking Republican in the House and the worst sort of Trump sycophant. For as much as you've posted on this thread, you really don't seem to know what you're talking about. And with each post, it's the same inaccurate and misinformed mantra over and over. Move on, man!

[Yellowtail]

I think we need a few more TDS survivors to point out that Elise Stefanik is a Republican. 

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I think we need a few more TDS survivors to point out that Elise Stefanik is a Republican. 

Or, we could point out the truth, like us TDS survivors tried to do: that she is a highly prejudiced MAGA nut and election denier, with her nose firmly wedged up Donald Trump’s butt.

[Longwood50]

19 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

19 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

Elise Stefanik is a Republican

 

This was as quoted in Google as a Democrat.  You are correct, I did not verify it. 

One way or another whether a Republican or Democrat IT IS WRONG TO WEAPONIZE GOVERNMENT

The famous Nixon "enemies list" showed the temptation to use the resources of the government to pummel an opponent.

The Chinese are neither Democrats or Republican and they would hardly consider Trump to be a friend.

They have no political prejudice and even the Chinese can see that Trump indictments are a political strategy to take out an opponent, not a quest for equal justice. 

 

‘Systemic dysfunction’

Following Trump’s first indictments, China’s state-run Global Times wrote in March that US “political and legal tools” were being “weaponized to attack political opponents”, a situation that the news organization said would sow more chaos in an already polarized society.

 

 

 

[candide]

18 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

This was as quoted in Google as a Democrat.  You are correct, I did not verify it. 

One way or another whether a Republican or Democrat IT IS WRONG TO WEAPONIZE GOVERNMENT

The famous Nixon "enemies list" showed the temptation to use the resources of the government to pummel an opponent.

The Chinese are neither Democrats or Republican and they would hardly consider Trump to be a friend.

They have no political prejudice and even the Chinese can see that Trump indictments are a political strategy to take out an opponent, not a quest for equal justice. 

 

‘Systemic dysfunction’

Following Trump’s first indictments, China’s state-run Global Times wrote in March that US “political and legal tools” were being “weaponized to attack political opponents”, a situation that the news organization said would sow more chaos in an already polarized society.

 

 

 

China talking about weaponizing legal tools against political opponents! That's rich! 😀

Edited November 9, 2023 by candide

[Danderman123]

26 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

One way or another whether a Republican or Democrat IT IS WRONG TO WEAPONIZE GOVERNMENT
 

Trump and allies plot revenge, Justice Department control in a second term

[rudi49jr]

On 11/9/2023 at 9:05 AM, Longwood50 said:

One way or another whether a Republican or Democrat IT IS WRONG TO WEAPONIZE GOVERNMENT

Danderman already posted a link, but here’s another one:

 

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/weaponizing-the-doj-against-his-political-foes-is-a-recurring-theme-of-trumps-speeches

 

The big difference is (@Longwood) that the current indictments against Trump are legitimate ones, because there’s ample evidence that he broke the law in quite a few instances. So no weaponization of the DOJ or the federal government there.
What Trump is planning to do when he becomes president again is to indict his political opponents (or anyone else that he perceives to be an ‘enemy’, for that matter) on trumped up charges. No pun intended. That is the very definition of weaponization of the DOJ.

[Longwood50]

On 11/11/2023 at 3:08 PM, rudi49jr said:

The big difference is (@Longwood) that the current indictments against Trump are legitimate ones,

That is so laughable. 

Here is a case in point

Trump is being prosecuted for possessing classified documents secured in Mar Largo guarded by the secret service,  no access to any other people.  

Joe Biden has them in an unattended garage in his car, that is shared by his son, not guarded and with his son potentially accessble to others  No Charges 

Hillary Clintons server containing classified documents was held in a bathroom closet.  No Charges
The server when in use had access by the computer people maintaining the server and at minimum two aides, Huma Abedin, and Cheryl Mills.  Neither had classified clearance  _ No Charges

Sandy Berger - Went into the national archives, stuffed classified material into his pants and socks.  Took them home and cut them up with scissors. - His penalty  A MISDOMEANOR

This is nto equal treatment and equal justice.  It is weaponizing against a political opponent and using the resources of government to pummel a private citizen who despite Trumps wealth can not compete with the resources of the entire State of New York.  

 

The case against Trump involves Deutche Bank.  Quess what, Deutche Bank is not headquartered in New York.  If there was a case it would be brought by Deutche Bank or a complaint filed by Deutche Bank  not the State of New York. 

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Trump is being prosecuted for possessing classified documents secured in Mar Largo guarded by the secret service,  no access to any other people. 

Wrong!

He is being prosecuted for lying about being in possession, refusing to give then back, and Trump was guarded by the secret service, not the document. Mar_a-Largo is  a social club with members and guests going in and out. 

7 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

oe Biden has them in an unattended garage in his car, that is shared by his son, not guarded and with his son potentially accessble to others  No Charges 

Presidents bo not for the most part move these things themselves, and as such he did not . He was surprised when they were found, and he promptly returned them. 

 

11 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Hillary Clintons server containing classified documents was held in a bathroom closet.  No Charges

You are simply spewing republicand talking points.

If Hillary Clinton did anything illegal , and was not prosecuted, it is the fault of your boy trump. He held both houses of congress and was in charge of the AG office. But he did not! you know why? because there was no there there. Or your boy trump was an idiot.

Personally, I think both

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

That is so laughable. 

Here is a case in point

Trump is being prosecuted for possessing classified documents secured in Mar Largo guarded by the secret service,  no access to any other people.  

Joe Biden has them in an unattended garage in his car, that is shared by his son, not guarded and with his son potentially accessble to others  No Charges 

Hillary Clintons server containing classified documents was held in a bathroom closet.  No Charges
The server when in use had access by the computer people maintaining the server and at minimum two aides, Huma Abedin, and Cheryl Mills.  Neither had classified clearance  _ No Charges

Sandy Berger - Went into the national archives, stuffed classified material into his pants and socks.  Took them home and cut them up with scissors. - His penalty  A MISDOMEANOR

This is nto equal treatment and equal justice.  It is weaponizing against a political opponent and using the resources of government to pummel a private citizen who despite Trumps wealth can not compete with the resources of the entire State of New York.  

 

The case against Trump involves Deutche Bank.  Quess what, Deutche Bank is not headquartered in New York.  If there was a case it would be brought by Deutche Bank or a complaint filed by Deutche Bank  not the State of New York. 

Geez, you are still going on about this.

 

Some people accidentally have classified documents mixed in with the tons of documents they take away when they finish public service. If they alert the government when those documents and return them, then no charges are warranted.

 

In the case of Hilary's emails, her servers contained email chains that had some messages with a "C" classified stamp buried deep down in long threads. Not a big deal.

[Danderman123]

On 11/25/2023 at 12:03 PM, Longwood50 said:

That is so laughable. 

Here is a case in point

Trump is being prosecuted for possessing classified documents secured in Mar Largo guarded by the secret service,  no access to any other people.  

Joe Biden has them in an unattended garage in his car, that is shared by his son, not guarded and with his son potentially accessble to others  No Charges 

Hillary Clintons server containing classified documents was held in a bathroom closet.  No Charges
The server when in use had access by the computer people maintaining the server and at minimum two aides, Huma Abedin, and Cheryl Mills.  Neither had classified clearance  _ No Charges

Sandy Berger - Went into the national archives, stuffed classified material into his pants and socks.  Took them home and cut them up with scissors. - His penalty  A MISDOMEANOR

This is nto equal treatment and equal justice.  It is weaponizing against a political opponent and using the resources of government to pummel a private citizen who despite Trumps wealth can not compete with the resources of the entire State of New York.  

 

The case against Trump involves Deutche Bank.  Quess what, Deutche Bank is not headquartered in New York.  If there was a case it would be brought by Deutche Bank or a complaint filed by Deutche Bank  not the State of New York. 

From your examples:

 

Those who intentionally take or possess classified documents get prosecuted.

 

Those who had them accidentally don't get classified.

 

Trump refused to give back classified documents, and thus was prosecuted.

 

His trial will probably take place in 2025. By then, he may already be in prison, so this trial may not be widely reported.

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On 11/25/2023 at 12:03 PM, Longwood50 said:

That is so laughable. 

Here is a case in point

Trump is being prosecuted for possessing classified documents secured in Mar Largo guarded by the secret service,  no access to any other people.  

Joe Biden has them in an unattended garage in his car, that is shared by his son, not guarded and with his son potentially accessble to others  No Charges 

False The Secret Service is not responsible for securing those documents nor did it do so at Mar a Lago or anywhere else.. It's responsible for protecting the person of the President and whoever qualifies for its protection.

"On page 5, it explicitly states that not only was the Secret Service not responsible for protecting the documents, the agency was not even informed of their presence at the property:

The United States Secret Service (the “Secret Service”) provided protection to TRUMP and his family after he left office, including at The Mar-a-Lago club, but it was not responsible for the protection of TRUMP’s boxes or their contents. TRUMP did not inform the Secret Service that was storing boxes containing classified documents at The Mar-a-Lago club."

What's more, what you don't seem to understand is that Trump isn't being prosecuted for having possession of these documents. It's for being knowingly in possession of them.  That's the violation. He knew that he had them and still kept them. Subsequently, because he allegedly lied about being in possession of classified documents, he was also charged with obstruction of justice.. Despite which, the National Archives negotiated with Trump for months to gain possession of the documents in Trump's possession rather than asking for the participation of the Justice Dept. It was only when it was learned that Trump might be in possession of classified documents that the Justice Dept was called in.