Re: Spotify 

 

So i mentioned recently that my Spotify in the Seal has changed ( am thinking after 2 years free subscription ended  )and now has very frequent annoying advertisements.

 

I want to take out a Spotify Premium subscription but as I don’t see any way to sign in to the Seal Spotify app so suspect it will stay the same.

 

I know I can use Spotify Premium via Apple CarPlay would prefer to use the in built app.

 

So, does anyone know if it possible to use the in built Seal Spotify app in Premium mode ??

Yes it’s possible, I did it and signed it out when I sold the car.

53 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yes it’s possible, I did it and signed it out when I sold the car.

Thanks, it worked really easily, I don’t remember when I first opened Spotify in the Seal I must have logged in using a QR code via my iPhone.

 

I took a Spotify Premium subscription ( 149 baht for the first 3 months then 149 baht a month after ) on my iPhone and when i opened Spotify in the car it automatically picked up my Premium subscription.

 

If anyone is interested:

In the Seal ( and presumably other BYD’s ) open Spotify then click “ library “ on right hand side of Home page.

Click “ Your Library “ to see your account settings, streaming quality and the “ Log out “ button.

When logging back in it will request you to scan the QR code via your phone camera .

So, just got this message via the app.

2 years and 3 months since delivery.

Anyone else ??

I remember early Atto 3 adopters getting this but don’t know of the outcome, what options they had ( use your own sim or pay a monthly subscription etc )

With my Atto I never got a data expiration notice via email, SMS, any type of notification. And even though I was suppose to last for 2 years 3 months (vs 2 yrs) since I did the SIM upgrade which was supposed to give the 3 extra months the data allotment went to zero after only 2 years. I did not complain to BYD about the missing 3 months as based on past "administrative actions" with BYD/Rever Customer Service on these type of issues they generally take weeks to months to fix an issue unless you get "seriously mad at them''....that's just been my experience. I didn't want the probable frustration since it would only recover a few months before it expires and I have to start using data from my phone.

My DTAC phone plan I've been on for over a decade gives me 80GB/month of data which is a LOT more than I use every month....heck, I use less than 10GB/month and I use my phone a lot day/night, watch a fair amount of youtubes on the phone, watch a lot of TicTok videos, and use it with my Atto mostly for Google Maps within the GPack which is a LOT better than using Google Maps via Android Auto. I don't use Spotify, but even if did streaming audio is not data intensive.

Anyway, now I use Hotspot/tether my phone for vehicle data connection. And the BYD app on phone does not use "data" to communicate with the car (no need for hotspot/tethering) as it uses basic underlying SMS hidden coding to receive/send commands to the vehicle and that does not have a expiration data since it basic to the car operation....no data needed for this basic operation with BYD app. Now, I don't know if a person did "not" hotspot/tether if they could still download OTAs without using data like via Wifi/hotspot connection, but I've always got the impression that BYD never counted OTAs against your data allotment and those would continue to arrive even with a data allotment...but hey, when a notice did arrive and you did need a separate data connection use connect via Wifi or phone hotspot.

Plus, apparently you can not change the SIM card unless it's a BYD installed SIM card. But even if BYD changed the SIM card because it failed I doubt it would come with a new data allotment. Now I have seen a few You tube videos where some folks got a self-installed SIM to connect to the cell phone network but the videos I watched didn't show/confirm if the BYD app would still work. Supposedly, the BYD-installed SIM is "married/registered" with the car for security purposes; if a self-installed SIM did happen to work for data purposes I doubt the BYD app would then work but that's just my guess regarding the app.

https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/faq

9 minutes ago, Pib said:

With my Atto I never got a data expiration notice via email, SMS, any type of notification. And even though I was suppose to last for 2 years 3 months (vs 2 yrs) since I did the SIM upgrade which was supposed to give the 3 extra months the data allotment went to zero after only 2 years. I did not complain to BYD about the missing 3 months as based on past "administrative actions" with BYD/Rever Customer Service on these type of issues they generally take weeks to months to fix an issue unless you get "seriously mad at them''....that's just been my experience. I didn't want the probable frustration since it would only recover a few months before it expires and I have to start using data from my phone.

My DTAC phone plan I've been on for over a decade gives me 80GB/month of data which is a LOT more than I use every month....heck, I use less than 10GB/month and I use my phone a lot day/night, watch a fair amount of youtubes on the phone, watch a lot of TicTok videos, and use it with my Atto mostly for Google Maps within the GPack which is a LOT better than using Google Maps via Android Auto. I don't use Spotify, but even if did streaming audio is not data intensive.

Anyway, now I use Hotspot/tether my phone for vehicle data connection. And the BYD app on phone does not use "data" to communicate with the car (no need for hotspot/tethering) as it uses basic underlying SMS hidden coding to receive/send commands to the vehicle and that does not have a expiration data since it basic to the car operation....no data needed for this basic operation with BYD app. Now, I don't know if a person did "not" hotspot/tether if they could still download OTAs without using data like via Wifi/hotspot connection, but I've always got the impression that BYD never counted OTAs against your data allotment and those would continue to arrive even with a data allotment...but hey, when a notice did arrive and you did need a separate data connection use connect via Wifi or phone hotspot.

Plus, apparently you can not change the SIM card unless it's a BYD installed SIM card. But even if BYD changed the SIM card because it failed I doubt it would come with a new data allotment. Now I have seen a few You tube videos where some folks got a self-installed SIM to connect to the cell phone network but the videos I watched didn't show/confirm if the BYD app would still work. Supposedly, the BYD-installed SIM is "married/registered" with the car for security purposes; if a self-installed SIM did happen to work for data purposes I doubt the BYD app would then work but that's just my guess regarding the app.

https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/faq

Thanks @Pib , so it seems like the 2 year (and 3 months) rule is being adhered to.

My Spotify free subscription seemed to change right at the 2 year mark ( adverts increased 10 fold and some functions changed ) but i took out a Spotify Premium subscription to cure that.

Agree that your approach seems the best option, use tethering rather than attempting to change the BYD Sim, and I will most likely follow suit.

Regarding the OTA, seems like Thailand and AUS have been left behind yet I see the U.K. are receiving regular OTA’s although nothing I care about.

I will visit the Dealer to see what options they offer but most likely tether to my phone which has an unlimited True allocation.

So, i visited my dealer re: the SIM card expiration and he told me “ use hotspot , we are waiting for Head Office for information on new SIM and monthly payment charges “.

This is what i remember seeing on the FB Thai Atto 3 group, as early adopters reached the 2 year mark there were many posts re: the SIM expiration and i never saw an outcome, presumably those guys are still waiting ??

On 2/3/2026 at 10:03 AM, Pib said:

With my Atto I never got a data expiration notice via email, SMS, any type of notification. And even though I was suppose to last for 2 years 3 months (vs 2 yrs) since I did the SIM upgrade which was supposed to give the 3 extra months the data allotment went to zero after only 2 years. I did not complain to BYD about the missing 3 months as based on past "administrative actions" with BYD/Rever Customer Service on these type of issues they generally take weeks to months to fix an issue unless you get "seriously mad at them''....that's just been my experience. I didn't want the probable frustration since it would only recover a few months before it expires and I have to start using data from my phone.

My DTAC phone plan I've been on for over a decade gives me 80GB/month of data which is a LOT more than I use every month....heck, I use less than 10GB/month and I use my phone a lot day/night, watch a fair amount of youtubes on the phone, watch a lot of TicTok videos, and use it with my Atto mostly for Google Maps within the GPack which is a LOT better than using Google Maps via Android Auto. I don't use Spotify, but even if did streaming audio is not data intensive.

Anyway, now I use Hotspot/tether my phone for vehicle data connection. And the BYD app on phone does not use "data" to communicate with the car (no need for hotspot/tethering) as it uses basic underlying SMS hidden coding to receive/send commands to the vehicle and that does not have a expiration data since it basic to the car operation....no data needed for this basic operation with BYD app. Now, I don't know if a person did "not" hotspot/tether if they could still download OTAs without using data like via Wifi/hotspot connection, but I've always got the impression that BYD never counted OTAs against your data allotment and those would continue to arrive even with a data allotment...but hey, when a notice did arrive and you did need a separate data connection use connect via Wifi or phone hotspot.

Plus, apparently you can not change the SIM card unless it's a BYD installed SIM card. But even if BYD changed the SIM card because it failed I doubt it would come with a new data allotment. Now I have seen a few You tube videos where some folks got a self-installed SIM to connect to the cell phone network but the videos I watched didn't show/confirm if the BYD app would still work. Supposedly, the BYD-installed SIM is "married/registered" with the car for security purposes; if a self-installed SIM did happen to work for data purposes I doubt the BYD app would then work but that's just my guess regarding the app.

https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/faq

Forgot to mention this on my other reply but i also think replacing the BYD sim would likely cause the app to stop functioning, have seen many people saying that on FB.

Good news that the app continues to work with your phone tethered and the expired BYD SIM still in place.

I did forget to ask at the dealer about OTA’s while using phone tethered but think it would download via home WiFi if necessary.

i just had the one-year service done on my sealion 7 awd. everything is fine, but i am confused about the consumption data:

- my car trip computer shows 15.6 kwh/100km over 18,000 km (is this exclude extras like air conditioning???).

- the service report lists "accumulated charge energy" of 4,173 kwh (does that include regeneration?), which equals 23.18 kwh/100km!?!?

- my own excel sheet shows that i charged a total of 3,412 kwh (this is including charging losses etc ), which equals 19.00 kwh/100km!

i trust my own records (with charging losses but without regeneration) the most!

have any of you also received such contradictory consumption values for your byd?

5 hours ago, motdaeng said:

i just had the one-year service done on my sealion 7 awd. everything is fine, but i am confused about the consumption data:

- my car trip computer shows 15.6 kwh/100km over 18,000 km (is this exclude extras like air conditioning???).

- the service report lists "accumulated charge energy" of 4,173 kwh (does that include regeneration?), which equals 23.18 kwh/100km!?!?c

- my own excel sheet shows that i charged a total of 3,412 kwh (this is including charging losses etc ), which equals 19.00 kwh/100km!

i trust my own records (with charging losses but without regeneration) the most!

have any of you also received such contradictory consumption values for your byd?

Based on my "attempt to understand/decipher" OBD2 data on my Atto using an OBD2 dongle and the Car Scanner Pro app AND also a ton of googling I've come to the conclusion that the reading you get from the car infotainment center (i.e., the 15.6kwh/100km you mentioned) only represents power consumed by the "drive motor" and maybe supporting electronic circuit boards but does "not" reflect A/C kwh usage. With the A/C set to 23C on a warm day the A/C will consume around 1.5kwh after the cabin has cooled down....initially it can use significantly more....and on a really hot, bright sunshine day the A/C can consume 2.5 to 3kwh until the cabin cools down....it can pull almost 4kwh for several minutes when first starting the car and the cabin is really hot like if it had been setting in a unshaded parking location.

And if you are watching the kwh usage on the dash display with A/C turned on if say it's showing 1kwh car usage as you idle at a stop light, well, you could actually being using 1.99kwh (per OBD data which reports to two decimals places) as the dash display rounds "down" to the nearest whole number in this case.....e.g., 1.99kwh usage would show 1kwh....1.55kwh would should 1kwh, 2.00kwh would show 2kwh, 2.99kwh would show 2kw, 3.99kwh would show 3kwh, etc.

For my Atto I have a12.8kwh/100km reading has stayed at 12.8kwh for over two years now. It started off at 12.6kwh for a month or so...then creeped-up to 12.7 a month or so later....and after 3 months or so it's reached and remained at 12.8kwh during the "cool and hot periods of each year." Today, with the car 2 yrs and almost 4 month old it's still at 12.8kwh/100kn. That reading should go higher during the hot season because of the A/C consuming more energy and lower during the cool season....but no, it's been stuck at 12.8kwh for around two years now. Maybe it taking a "really long period" (many months, a year,....maybe since day 1 versus shorter term calculations). And as you know even if you reset the infotainment system trip computer to zero km and zero time, that kwh/100km does not reset (i.e., my 12.8 and your 15.6kwh) although the short term trip data is reset.

Now I can believe the drive motor usage "only" could stay very stable during the cool and hot parts of the year with my ECO setting conservative driving and the motor being maintained at a pretty constant temperature whether cool or hot outside temp.....but with the A/C kwh usage significantly more during the hot season it's like that A/C kwh usage is ignored for the "kwh/100kmh calculation" shown on the infotainment system.

On my Atto after a little of 60,000km the car infotainment system reports 12.8kmh/100km...if that was true my Atto extended range would have been getting 473km real world mileage per tankful of electrons....but I don't get that real world. It's more like around 440Km during the cool season if staying below 90kmh and around 400Km during the hot season if staying below 90kmh. Now my real world mileage is less than the car's infotainment reading because I've come to the conclusion that BYD only counts the kwh used by the drive motor/supporting electronic board and "not" the A/C and probably some other stuff like headlights, etc. In the WLTP/NEDC testing A/C and heating are generally not used/turned off which results in significantly higher mileage results (i.e., non real world results unless maybe you live in some location where you never have to use A/C or heating).

When it comes to that OBD2 "Accumulated Charge Energy" number I've come to the conclusion it "does" include regen power which may be as high as around 25% "if using the car's infotainment Kwh/100kmh reading".....but possibly more like around 12% when also cranking A/C Kwh usage which is part of your real world mileage/power usage.

For around two years now I have monitored my Atto's OBD2 data and tried to make sense of some of the data.....some data that conflicts with the infotainment system data like talked above. It's enough to drive a person crazy especially since most car manufacturers try to make their data look as good as possible by cherry-picking some data for key calculations, making certain assumptions in their proprietary OBD data algorithms, etc. I've got a spreadsheet of OBD2 data and calculations that is pretty thorough in my opinion....and it's also a spreadsheet that has left me with many questions because of the underlying reported OBD2 data used for calculations....OBD2 data which gives a person the feeling something "ain't quite right....what am I missing here....that just don't seem right, etc."

Cheers

@Pib thank you very much for your detailed explanation und your experiance about the consumption data ...

it is a pity that byd does not provide more precise data regarding consumption, like many other ev manufacturers do.

even i'm really happy with my sealion 7, i'd rate byd's software as "modest." i wonder why the world's largest bev manufacturer

doesn't offer its customers a modern and high-quality software solution ...

4 hours ago, motdaeng said:

@Pib thank you very much for your detailed explanation und your experiance about the consumption data ...

it is a pity that byd does not provide more precise data regarding consumption, like many other ev manufacturers do.

even i'm really happy with my sealion 7, i'd rate byd's software as "modest." i wonder why the world's largest bev manufacturer

doesn't offer its customers a modern and high-quality software solution ...

Another reason I believe the BYD infotainment system Energy Consumption reading only counts "drive motor consumption while in motion" is if you watch the Average Energy Consumption graph while driving it's going up and down reflecting the real time kwh usage although it only reports it/updates the graph every approximate 45 seconds.

However, when you come to a dead stop....no motion like setting at a stop light for minutes, parked but the the A/C still running (say the dash kw usage shows 1kw being used while parked/idling/AC running) that Average Energy Consumption graph on the infotainment display will not show any kwh being used....no movement of the graph up and down a little to reflect kwh being used by the A/C....just zero kw being used although your A/C is eating electricity because it's running, you can hear the compressor running, you can see the kw real time usage on the "dash" display.

And my belief is even when the car is in motion....drive motor turning and eating electrons if you have the A/C or heating system also running the A/C and/or heating electron usage is being ignored by the metering/readings shown in the infotainment system Energy Consumption menu. That's a great way to make it look like your kwh/100km usage to be less than the actual total kwh usage....gives better mileage numbers that closely compare to the "non-real world" NEDC rating which is based on not using A/C or heating.

On 2/3/2026 at 10:03 AM, Pib said:

But without a working SIM can the car remote functions (location and remote aircon for example) still work? Will the car be able to connect to a WIFI hotspot if it's off?

Let's say I leave a small 5G modem inside the car, would it give me the same functionalities that the car would normally have with the working SIM?

8 hours ago, FarangFB said:

But without a working SIM can the car remote functions (location and remote aircon for example) still work? Will the car be able to connect to a WIFI hotspot if it's off?

Let's say I leave a small 5G modem inside the car, would it give me the same functionalities that the car would normally have with the working SIM?

You are correct that without a working SIM the car app function wouldn't work.....but we are not talking about a "non-working" SIM. Instead, we are talking a SIM that no longer has a "data allotment."

Mobile data is what some apps need to operate; however, the functions used by the BYD app do not use the "data layer" of a mobile connection; instead it uses the underlying basic layer of a cell connection. It's kinda like you can turn off the mobile data setting in your phone but your phone will still stays connected to the cellular network, receive/transmit voice calls, receive/send SMS and underlying/hidden coding, etc....but any apps that require the "data" connection layer will not work at all or no fully. A cell connection is multi-layered protocol thing....that is voice, SMS, data, and other protocol layers.

My BYD SIM data allotment went to zero months ago but every function of the BYD app still works fine---"every" function....like below snapshot of the app's "Car Location" function...snapshot from this morning. Yeap, the app continues to work fully/just fine with zero data allotment. Now I just use my phone tethering/hotspot function whenever I want to use an app that requires a data connection on the car infotainment system.

2 hours ago, Pib said:

My BYD SIM data allotment went to zero months ago but every function of the BYD app still works fine

Ah ok that's good to know. So there is some little bits of data still allowed for these basic uses. For other stuff such as maps and music I only use Apple car play which uses the data from my phone anyway.

On 2/8/2026 at 3:08 PM, motdaeng said:

@Pib thank you very much for your detailed explanation und your experiance about the consumption data ...

it is a pity that byd does not provide more precise data regarding consumption, like many other ev manufacturers do.

even i'm really happy with my sealion 7, i'd rate byd's software as "modest." i wonder why the world's largest bev manufacturer

doesn't offer its customers a modern and high-quality software solution ...

So far, BYD and all other Chinese car manufacturers are concentrating on their home market - it's their big pie. The software the Chinese customers enjoy is leaps and bounds above the crumbs we in the ROW are fed with - case in point: The BYD Seal had full-dash and HUD navigation map display from day one way back in 2023, ROW still does not have that (the SL7 now has it partially) Not all of this is BYD's failing - the highly fragmented data protection laws really make aggressive cloud based software solutions very hard for Chinese companies, and it seems to me it is an underhanded roadblock only the Chinese are faced with.

However, there is hope - BYD has decided to push hard into the export in 2026, projecting 1 million units sold ROW. Last but not least - BYD marketing is an enigma, and maybe even a whiff of arrogance.

I have been a Seal owner for almost 2.5 years and was utterly unaware of this pretty unsightly functional flaw:

(from the FB BYD Seal Australia group)

'Thanks to Ves Aä and Andrew App for discovering and highlighting that if you remotely turn on your AC, the shutters behind the front grill will remain closed, and thus AC performance will be poor in some situations (High or Low ambient Temperatures).
The interesting workaround is to turn on Seat Ventilation at the same time. The shutters will then open, thus exposing the front radiator/condenser to the airflow created by the fans behind it.
EDIT: The reason behind the Seat Ventilation opening the shutters is that the Remote AC, just turns on the HVAC system with the remainder of the vehicle being still off. Seat Ventilation actually powers up the entire vehicle in a locked state. (Eg Infotainment system is on, DRL are on, mirrors are out, etc) - So make sure you haven't got the radio turned up to 11 🙂'

I have often wondered why the Seal sounds like an jet engine at take off and the cooling is so poor - this is the reason and a stop-gap solution to work around, hopefully BYD will fix this with an OTA,

BTW - I checked the same remote cooling setting on the SL7 - the shutters immediately open full tilt.

1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

I have been a Seal owner for almost 2.5 years and was utterly unaware of this pretty unsightly functional flaw:

(from the FB BYD Seal Australia group)

'Thanks to Ves Aä and Andrew App for discovering and highlighting that if you remotely turn on your AC, the shutters behind the front grill will remain closed, and thus AC performance will be poor in some situations (High or Low ambient Temperatures).
The interesting workaround is to turn on Seat Ventilation at the same time. The shutters will then open, thus exposing the front radiator/condenser to the airflow created by the fans behind it.
EDIT: The reason behind the Seat Ventilation opening the shutters is that the Remote AC, just turns on the HVAC system with the remainder of the vehicle being still off. Seat Ventilation actually powers up the entire vehicle in a locked state. (Eg Infotainment system is on, DRL are on, mirrors are out, etc) - So make sure you haven't got the radio turned up to 11 🙂'

I have often wondered why the Seal sounds like an jet engine at take off and the cooling is so poor - this is the reason and a stop-gap solution to work around, hopefully BYD will fix this with an OTA,

BTW - I checked the same remote cooling setting on the SL7 - the shutters immediately open full tilt.

Yeah, i mentioned about a year ago, roughly around the time we got the True SIM card change ( page 46 on this thread ) that when starting the car via the app only the air con would enable and you had to start the car using the stop/start button when entering.

At the time this was thought to be a glitch or done for safety/security reasons ( not having the car enabled remotely ).

Shortly after someone discovered, on a FB group, that starting the seat ventilation would start the car also but no reason or theory was given why this was changed and seemed to be another part of the glitch !

So, i would frequently cool the car using only air conditioning and start the car when entering ( now of course it auto starts when opening the door).

In future I will start the air and then seat ventilation for maximum efficiency.

Seems crazy that there was no information given by BYD to inform owners of this change, a simple note on the app would have cleared up the mystery.

Regarding an OTA to fix this, it seems unlikely as has been more than a year already and OTA’s seem to have dried up !

https://bydukmedia.com/en/news-articles/byd-launches-new-model-year-2026-seal-saloon-more-practicality,-increased-customisation-and-greater-specification.html?fbclid=IwZnRzaAQEGCpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEef4acle0vw1TfKgTwkMkuVD5n1QqoG8GmVRibneB2joanyHmrMJNajZEtd5U_aem_zyAltwv3iM216X13A9ie7Q

BYD Seal to get a minor update in May 2026 to their existing 2x U.K. models, a couple of new colours ( Red, Lavender ) and a different shade of Black. New 19” rims and a small increase in frunk size.

A healthy increase in boot space ( 400 to 485 ltrs ) and a couple of aesthetic changes but main specs remain the same.

Of course whether the Seal will be resurrected here in Thailand remains to be seen but i suspect not.

7 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Of course whether the Seal will be resurrected here in Thailand remains to be seen but i suspect not.

Has BYD stopped selling the Seal in Thailand?. Or do you just mean regains the high popularity it had for a while before other brands started giving competition? Or do you mean when/if the Seal version sold in Thailand gets the latest upgrades? Or ?????

1 hour ago, Pib said:

Has BYD stopped selling the Seal in Thailand?

I guess that is the big question

The Seal’s sales took a nosedive in mid 2025 and dealers started offering the Activity cars ( Test drive and publicity cars, usually 2023 models ) at a healthy discount.

Reported lack of stock all pointed to a clear out to either make way for the rapidly rising Sealion 7 or an updated Seal, a MY 2025 version started to appear in some countries ( Malaysia and Aus ? ) with new wheels and an electric sunshade amongst other small upgrades.

Then towards the end of 2025 Thailand Seal sales started to increase again but probably received stock from countries getting the MY 2025 updated models.

Currently I think stock of Seals in Thailand is almost diminished with only a few of the cheaper model Dynamic remaining in dealers showrooms and being pushed on FB pages.

The Seal in its current Thailand variant is unlikely to reappear and i also think any upgraded model, as being offered to the U.K., is also unlikely to head this way, Thailand has cut its ties with the Seal and if a minor update had been on the cards it would have been filtered in gradually.

BYD is focusing on the future and the Seal, as exciting as it was ( and still is) when first released hesitated at the fence and lost momentum here.

Lovers of a BYD sporty saloon might be surprised with a Sealion 9 or 10 who knows ? there is always IM 5 or 7X GT to tempt.

The EV world is moving at such a fast rate now that it makes you cautious to sign up when something faster, cheaper, rangier (?) and more exciting might be just round the corner.

Never been a “ speed freak “ and at touching 65 am looking more towards comfort than blistering acceleration but the Seal showed me what is available for my budget and i LIKED it !

The Seal is dead …… Long live the Seal 🦭

@Andrew Dwyer

Thanks for the indepth reply.

Seems the Seal was still selling fairly well even with BIG price cuts. But I guess BYD decided it was not selling good enough with competing new models continuing to eat into Seal market share.

Plus sedan style cars continue to lose market share to SUV style cars in most regions/countries with new model SUVs from many manufacturers being announced all the time. Expect that's why BYD came out with the Sealion 7.

Cheers.

2 minutes ago, Pib said:

@Andrew Dwyer

Thanks for the indepth reply.

Seems the Seal was still selling fairly well even with BIG price cuts. But I guess BYD decided it was not selling good enough with competing new models continuing to eat into Seal market share.

Plus sedan style cars continue to lose market share to SUV style cars in most regions/countries with new model SUVs from many manufacturers being announced all the time. Expect that's why BYD came out with the Sealion 7.

Cheers.

Yeah, it’s kinda disappointing when the car you think is the best thing since sliced bread falls to make the impact you thought it would.

It appears to be selling well still in the U.K. ( although I can’t find individual car sales BYD sold very well last year) even with the introduction of the Sealion 7. Had more OTA’s than we got here and now the new minor update announcement.

But, here in the land of pickups and motorcycles EV’s are still managing to expand at a great rate.

Lower prices and a good charging infrastructure certainly help here.

We might think 10 baht per kw outrageous but over in the uk they pay anything up to 35 baht a kw for DC charging.

Watched a YouTube video from Dave ( of Dave takes it on fame ) where a new charging hub in the U.K. were charging £1.80 ( that is 75 baht !! ) a kw …… now that is outrageous !!

9 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Yeah, it’s kinda disappointing when the car you think is the best thing since sliced bread falls to make the impact you thought it would.

I'm glad I got the lifetime battery warranty, because I'll be keeping mine for a good long while yet. Don't forget the 8 years free servicing.

On 2/17/2026 at 5:54 PM, mistral53 said:

I have been a Seal owner for almost 2.5 years and was utterly unaware of this pretty unsightly functional flaw:

I'd like you to check something if possible. Next time you use this (aircon+seats remotely), once you're back driving go to the menus and see if the iTAC has been switched off.

It seems to happen in mine whenever I remotelly activate the aircon and vented seats. Then I have to manually navigate the menus and turn iTAC back on. When it's off there is a significant loss of performance.

On 3/1/2026 at 12:36 PM, FarangFB said:

I'd like you to check something if possible. Next time you use this (aircon+seats remotely), once you're back driving go to the menus and see if the iTAC has been switched off.

It seems to happen in mine whenever I remotelly activate the aircon and vented seats. Then I have to manually navigate the menus and turn iTAC back on. When it's off there is a significant loss of performance.

Interesting. I just checked and iTac was in fact off - but I don't know yet whether it was in fact due to the remote AC function. I certainly don't want to drive around with the iTAC off.

I am not sure I would agree with your conclusion that the power is reduced - I quite often take a quick glance when I floor it, and I usually see the 390kW peak reading, albeit very briefly.

26 minutes ago, mistral53 said:

Interesting. I just checked and iTac was in fact off - but I don't know yet whether it was in fact due to the remote AC function. I certainly don't want to drive around with the iTAC off.

I am not sure I would agree with your conclusion that the power is reduced - I quite often take a quick glance when I floor it, and I usually see the 390kW peak reading, albeit very briefly.

Maybe the peak isn't reduced but I can definitely feel the acceleration gets less punchy. The iTAC is surely needed for the maximum performance of the car.

You can try the same thing I do, check the iTAC at random times after starting the car. In my case I've linked it to using the remote aircon with seat ventilation. If I don't do that then the iTAC stays on (as it always should unless I wanted to switch it off).

18 hours ago, FarangFB said:

Maybe the peak isn't reduced but I can definitely feel the acceleration gets less punchy. The iTAC is surely needed for the maximum performance of the car.

You can try the same thing I do, check the iTAC at random times after starting the car. In my case I've linked it to using the remote aircon with seat ventilation. If I don't do that then the iTAC stays on (as it always should unless I wanted to switch it off).

Update: In my Seal, there is no correlation between using the remote aircon with seat ventilation, and iTac.

We had the car at the detailer for a wash with claybar, and before picking it up I activated the AC & seat twice for 15 minutes. The iTac stayed on.

Parameters: car locked, drive mode 'normal', battery at 71%, outside temp 32C, AC set to 25C.

On 3/2/2026 at 10:00 PM, FarangFB said:

Maybe the peak isn't reduced but I can definitely feel the acceleration gets less punchy. The iTAC is surely needed for the maximum performance of the car.

You can try the same thing I do, check the iTAC at random times after starting the car. In my case I've linked it to using the remote aircon with seat ventilation. If I don't do that then the iTAC stays on (as it always should unless I wanted to switch it off).

Update ll: I did the remote pre-conditioning again today, this time I started with AC first, and seat ventilation second - lo and behold, the iTAC was off as we drove off........go figure.

Curiosity questions: when ITAC turns itself off/driver did not turn it off (like with the A/C preconditioning/seat ventilation talked above) does it eventually turn itself back on when needed? Or, once turned off (either automatically or manually) it stays off until "manually" turned back on again?