King Charles stops short of apology for ‘abhorrent’ colonial violence in Kenya

[Social Media]

 

King Charles has spoken of Britain’s “abhorrent and unjustifiable acts of violence” committed against Kenyans during their fight for independence, but stopped short of an apology despite human rights groups demanding one.

The monarch made the comments in a speech, delivered during a banquet in Kenya held in his honour, in which he referred to the “greatest sorrow” and “deepest regret” for the “wrongdoings” of the past.

 

While Kenya’s president, William Ruto, praised the king’s “exemplary courage” in shedding light on “uncomfortable truths”, he described the colonial reaction to African struggles as “monstrous in its cruelty”. He added that “much remains to be done in order to achieve full reparations”.

 

Earlier, the Kenya Human Rights Commission (KHRC) urged King Charles to offer an “unequivocal public apology”.

“We call upon the king, on behalf of the British government, to issue an unconditional and unequivocal public apology (as opposed to the very cautious, self-preserving and protective statements of regrets) for the brutal and inhuman treatment inflicted on Kenyan citizens,” the KHRC said.

The commission has claimed 90,000 Kenyans were executed, tortured or maimed during the British administration’s counter-insurgency.

Addressing Ruto at the banquet, the king said: “The wrongdoings of the past are a cause of the greatest sorrow and the deepest regret.

“There were abhorrent and unjustifiable acts of violence committed against Kenyans as they waged, as you said at the United Nations, a painful struggle for independence and sovereignty – and for that, there can be no excuse.

“In coming back to Kenya, it matters greatly to me that I should deepen my own understanding of these wrongs, and that I meet some of those whose lives and communities were so grievously affected.

 

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[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

“It matters greatly to me that I should deepen my own understanding of these wrongs”

 

That’s a good start.

[chickenslegs]

The King's words, as reported in The Guardian, seem deeply apologetic - unequivocally so.

 

[apology - a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure]

 

 

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You're wasting your time, King Charles.

 

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No, better to let sleeping dogs lie. Nobody alive today was responsible for alleged atrocties hundreds of years ago. Dragging up the past only creates issues in the present and the world has enough issues right now, including modern day slavery.

Alleged? Are you suggesting that Britain never committed genocide, never massacred countless thousands of innocent men, women and children, stole billions of pounds from other countries and irreparably damaged their economic development?

 

Acknowledging that much of the relative wealth of the UK over the centuries is a result of the vast amount of rape and pillage conducted in developing countries, and that a lot of the problems in those countries today are legacies of the evil that Britain carried out all over the world is a start.

 

But there should be formal apologies, full return of stolen artefacts and financial atonement from the individuals and institutions who enjoy today the fruits of their ancestors' evils.

[roo860]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Alleged? Are you suggesting that Britain never committed genocide, never massacred countless thousands of innocent men, women and children, stole billions of pounds from other countries and irreparably damaged their economic development?

 

Acknowledging that much of the relative wealth of the UK over the centuries is a result of the vast amount of rape and pillage conducted in developing countries, and that a lot of the problems in those countries today are legacies of the evil that Britain carried out all over the world is a start.

 

But there should be formal apologies, full return of stolen artefacts and financial atonement from the individuals and institutions who enjoy today the fruits of their ancestors' evils.

<deleted> to that!

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Alleged? Are you suggesting that Britain never committed genocide, never massacred countless thousands of innocent men, women and children, stole billions of pounds from other countries and irreparably damaged their economic development?

 

Acknowledging that much of the relative wealth of the UK over the centuries is a result of the vast amount of rape and pillage conducted in developing countries, and that a lot of the problems in those countries today are legacies of the evil that Britain carried out all over the world is a start.

 

But there should be formal apologies, full return of stolen artefacts and financial atonement from the individuals and institutions who enjoy today the fruits of their ancestors' evils.

 

Pearl clutching, hand wringing, hyperbolic nonsense.😆

 

I notice you don't acknowledge the many positives of the empire, such as pioneering the end of slavery. Name me a country without a few skeletons in the closet. Time to focus on the present and the future and stop dragging up ancient history like some bitter old Grandma complaining about the kid that hit her in junior school.

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Pearl clutching, hand wringing, hyperbolic nonsense.😆

 

I notice you don't acknowledge the many positives of the empire, such as pioneering the end of slavery. Name me a country without a few skeletons in the closet. Time to focus on the present and the future and stop dragging up ancient history like some bitter old Grandma complaining about the kid that hit her in junior school.

 

Perhaps you should learn from King Charles and read up on the atrocities to which his apology refers.

 

It might challenge a few of your ideas and beliefs on the Empire.

It probably wouldn’t but at least you’d know the history you are trying to obfuscate.

[TimeMachine]

While you are at , free Julian Assange. England is doing no better than China at human rights. Disgusting behaviour continues. 

 

 

Assange is a high profile figure. Imagine the stuff we don't know about. Tyranny , it seems, will forever be part of all powerful nations. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by TimeMachine

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Perhaps you should learn from King Charles and read up on the atrocities to which his apology refers.

 

It might challenge a few of your ideas and beliefs on the Empire.

It probably wouldn’t but at least you’d know the history you are trying to obfuscate.

 

You mean about the empire being pivotal in the ending of the slave trade? Those beliefs?

 

Apology? Did you even read the OP???

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, TimeMachine said:

While you are at , free Julian Assange. England is doing no better than China at human rights. Disgusting behaviour continues. 

I think China, like the UK imprisons people who break laws.

 

Though I doubt that in China he would have been given the opportunity to jump a bail.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s’ ‘anti-Brit’ about acknowledge facts of British history?

 

It might be ‘anti-historical myth’, it might even be a bit uncomfortable for Brits to hear the facts of the history of the British in Kenya, but it’s meaningless to suggest it’s ‘anti-Brit’.

 

 

 

 

 

Focusing on centuries old allegations.😃

 

Why not focus on modern day slavery in the middle east? Atrocities in China? Much easier to slag off the Brits for ancient history I guess, especially if you are a Brit/West hater.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

You mean about the empire being pivotal in the ending of the slave trade? Those beliefs?

 

Apology? Did you even read the OP???

 

Actually no.

 

Because the British continued to profit from slavery in the empire after it was ‘outlawed’.

 

https://origins.osu.edu/review/after-abolition-britain-and-slave-trade-1807?language_content_entity=en

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Focusing on centuries old allegations.😃

 

Why not focus on modern day slavery in the middle east? Atrocities in China? Much easier to slag off the Brits for ancient history I guess, especially if you are a Brit/West hater.

Or the modern day Slavery in the UK.

 

But let’s skip the whataboutary and get back to the topic under discussion.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s’ ‘anti-Brit’ about acknowledge facts of British history?

 

It might be ‘anti-historical myth’, it might even be a bit uncomfortable for Brits to hear the facts of the history of the British in Kenya, but it’s meaningless to suggest it’s ‘anti-Brit’.

 

 

 

 

In reading these pages for many years, I know who comes out of the woodwork to trash their country...OK.........

 

Perhaps you as an American never notice that kind of thing....😉

[TimeMachine]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think China, like the UK imprisons people who break laws.

 

Though I doubt that in China he would have been given the opportunity to jump a bail.

Problem is , it's not about him breaking a law in England at all. England need to decide whether to release him or send him to America or his homeland Australia. Imprisoning him for England not coming to a conclusion. Evil stuff that makes some think England has the right to imprison someone for breaking a law in another country. Don't be fooled.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Actually no.

 

Because the British continued to profit from slavery in the empire after it was ‘outlawed’.

 

https://origins.osu.edu/review/after-abolition-britain-and-slave-trade-1807?language_content_entity=en

 

 

And yours never.........?  

[shackleton]

This happened hundreds of years ago those who would need the compensation are long gone 

It's now all about Money 💰 for those not affected these countries get plenty of foreign aid from the UK 

it's about time these woke people wake up and get on with their lives 

Mind you King Charles  with all his wealth could give a few pounds if he is feeling guilty about where his wealth came from 🥳

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

Problem is , it's not about him breaking a law in England at all. England need to decide whether to release him or send him to America or his homeland Australia. Imprisoning him for England not coming to a conclusion. Evil stuff that makes some think England has the right to imprison someone for breaking a law in another country. Don't be fooled.

Ill informed nonsense.

 

Here are some facts.

 

Assange jumped bail (a crime).

 

He was eventually returned to prison.

 

The US issued an arrest warrant and an extradition request.

 

Assange applied for bail, it was refused (well given his history of jumping bail).

 

Assange appealed his extradition and has been afforded the rights to appeal.

 

He remains in custody until is appeals are completed.

 

He will then either be released or extradited.

 

He is only now in a UK prison because he is enjoying his rights to appeal and because he has a history of ju

ping bail.

[scorecard]

20 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

The King's words, as reported in The Guardian, seem deeply apologetic - unequivocally so.

 

[apology - a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure]

 

 

We all have our opinion, I see his words, as I normally do, as just his usual pompous and insincere comment and with no real meaning.

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

BLM don't also bang on about colonialism and centuries old "wrongs"? Who knew...

 

King Charles might do well do focus on issues closer to home like his Nazi uniform wearing errant son, who is partial to calling Asians the P word. At least he stopped short of apologizing or taking the knee. 

Harry wore that 'fancy dress' ONCE, and his mate who he called <deleted> was OK with it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, shackleton said:

This happened hundreds of years ago those who would need the compensation are long gone 

It's now all about Money 💰 for those not affected these countries get plenty of foreign aid from the UK 

it's about time these woke people wake up and get on with their lives 

Mind you King Charles  with all his wealth could give a few pounds if he is feeling guilty about where his wealth came from 🥳

 

You too need to learn from a King Charles and read up on this shameful history.

 

The events to which Charles referred and this thread related did not happen hundreds of years ago, they took place on the period between the end of WW2 and Kenyan Independence in 1962.

 

People who lived through this history are alive today, victims of the atrocities are alive today, people who lost parents and siblings to these atrocities are alive today.

 

 

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Actually no.

 

Because the British continued to profit from slavery in the empire after it was ‘outlawed’.

 

https://origins.osu.edu/review/after-abolition-britain-and-slave-trade-1807?language_content_entity=en

 

 

 

We outlawed it. Never kept slaves, unlike the Americans.

 

We finished paying for it in 2015. Meaning MY taxes helped pay for the end of slavery. Yes, MY taxes. You're welcome.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/17/government-finished-paying-uks-slavery-debt-2015/

 

Something you Brit hating Democrats would do well to remember.

 

 

[metisdead]

Off topic deflection posts about BLM and the replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

We outlawed it. Never kept slaves, unlike the Americans.

 

We finished paying for it in 2015. Meaning MY taxes helped pay for the end of slavery. Yes, MY taxes. You're welcome.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/17/government-finished-paying-uks-slavery-debt-2015/

 

Something you Brit hating Democrats would do well to remember.

 

 

I’ve provided a link to the history you weren’t taught at school.

 

I see you are slipping into I’ll informed personal attacks.

 

I suggest learning from King Charles and reading up on the actual history of the events to which he referred and this thread relates might be a better use of your energy.

 

You would at least wind up better informed.

[TimeMachine]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ill informed nonsense.

 

Here are some facts.

 

Assange jumped bail (a crime).

 

He was eventually returned to prison.

 

The US issued an arrest warrant and an extradition request.

 

Assange applied for bail, it was refused (well given his history of jumping bail).

 

Assange appealed his extradition and has been afforded the rights to appeal.

 

He remains in custody until is appeals are completed.

 

He will then either be released or extradited.

 

He is only now in a UK prison because he is enjoying his rights to appeal and because he has a history of ju

ping bail.

I consider your words fact but abhorrent fact. Explaining Tyranny to every fact doesn't make it good.

 

The man does not deserve what the English government have forced upon him. If you think so I include you as part of an evil group protecting self interests. 

 

The insignificant small time crime of trying to hide from tyranny he has commited does not warrant England's response. Evil parts of England still there.

 

The hardest fact for you to probably grasp is he pissed of America and they seek revenge. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, TimeMachine said:

I consider your words fact but abhorrent fact. Explaining Tyranny to every fact doesn't make it good.

 

The man does not deserve what the English government have forced upon him. If you think so I include you as part of an evil group protecting self interests. 

 

The insignificant small time crime of trying to hide from tyranny he has commited does not warrant England's response. Evil parts of England still there.

 

The hardest fact for you to probably grasp is he pissed of America and they seek revenge. 

 

 

You can request a thread on the matter.

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Harry wore that 'fancy dress' ONCE, and his mate who he called <deleted> was OK with it. 

 

Of course he wasn't OK with it. He just couldn't say anything because Prince Harry is, you know, a Prince. In the British Army. 

 

Defending racism. Wow. 

[TimeMachine]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

You can request a thread on the matter.

I post remarks daily on YouTube about it as I see YouTube as the best free speech platform at the moment. Just today on a video with Roger Waters supporting Assange.

 

Hopefully the world now understands when England , Australia and America bad mouth China they just look like hypocrites.

 

 

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve provided a link to the history you weren’t taught at school.

 

I see you are slipping into I’ll informed personal attacks.

 

I suggest learning from King Charles and reading up on the actual history of the events to which he referred and this thread relates might be a better use of your energy.

 

You would at least wind up better informed.

 

The Brits ended the slave trade. My taxes helped pay the debt for doing so.

 

Meanwhile, the Americans kept slaves. 

 

These are facts.

 

Maybe you should focus on the atrocities of your own country, of which there are many (and far more recent).  

[KannikaP]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

and his mate who he called <deleted> was OK with it. 

Someone from Wales= Taffy, from Ireland= Paddy, England = Pommie (if you're Aussie), Norway = Noggie, Pakistan = deleted.