Dane released from Detention Center in Bangkok

[webfact]

Danish businessman Stig Wulff was Tuesday morning 21 November 2023 released from the Detention Center of the Thai Immigration Police in Bangkok after having been imprisoned for almost two months in the overcrowded facility.

 

From the day his lawyer was told he could be released on a guarantee amount of 120.000 THB, it took almost a month until it finally happened. The bail was collected among Stig’s  family in Denmark and his Danish friends in Thailand and transferred to his lawyer about two weeks ago.

 

During the next month, he will have to report to the immigration police twice, before he will eventually attend the court meeting in Samui on 21 December 2023 to hear the outcome of his appeal case in the criminal case against him and his Thai wife for having fraudulently caused his former business partner to loose ownership of the resort, they owned together on Koh Phangan.

 

by Gregers Møller

 

Full story: ScandAsia 2023-11-23

 

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[BenStark]

What's his, or his defrauded partner's. forum name?

[TroubleandGrumpy]

This is just another example of why all Expats in Thailand have to be very very careful when doing any business deals here - including when buying or selling a property or a business.  Not only can things go pearshaped very quickly, but you can end up in a Thai jail - and you do not want to go there - just ask Stig.

[hotchilli]

Far better places to invest in a business.

[Dave0206]

Must be a real money spinner if 120.000 needed to be collected from near and far 🤔 

[Olav Seglem]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Danish businessman Stig Wulff was Tuesday morning 21 November 2023 released from the Detention Center of the Thai Immigration Police in Bangkok after having been imprisoned for almost two months in the overcrowded facility.

 

From the day his lawyer was told he could be released on a guarantee amount of 120.000 THB, it took almost a month until it finally happened. The bail was collected among Stig’s  family in Denmark and his Danish friends in Thailand and transferred to his lawyer about two weeks ago.

 

During the next month, he will have to report to the immigration police twice, before he will eventually attend the court meeting in Samui on 21 December 2023 to hear the outcome of his appeal case in the criminal case against him and his Thai wife for having fraudulently caused his former business partner to loose ownership of the resort, they owned together on Koh Phangan.

 

by Gregers Møller

 

Full story: ScandAsia 2023-11-23

 

- Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here.

 

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Was absolutely NOT impressive for a "businessman" to need a month to raise thb 120.000. AND need to turn to family and danish friends....

[vangrop]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

From the day his lawyer was told he could be released on a guarantee amount of 120.000 THB, it took almost a month until it finally happened. The bail was collected among Stig’s  family in Denmark and his Danish friends in Thailand and transferred to his lawyer about two weeks ago

just asking.  A farang "businessman" who almost needs to raise a crowd funding for getting 150.000 baht. Is this an April joke?

[arick]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Danish businessman Stig Wulff was Tuesday morning 21 November 2023 released from the Detention Center of the Thai Immigration Police in Bangkok after having been imprisoned for almost two months in the overcrowded facility.

 

From the day his lawyer was told he could be released on a guarantee amount of 120.000 THB, it took almost a month until it finally happened. The bail was collected among Stig’s  family in Denmark and his Danish friends in Thailand and transferred to his lawyer about two weeks ago.

 

During the next month, he will have to report to the immigration police twice, before he will eventually attend the court meeting in Samui on 21 December 2023 to hear the outcome of his appeal case in the criminal case against him and his Thai wife for having fraudulently caused his former business partner to loose ownership of the resort, they owned together on Koh Phangan.

 

by Gregers Møller

 

Full story: ScandAsia 2023-11-23

 

- Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here.

 

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Why does t this <deleted> happen to Thai people 

[arick]

Just now, arick said:

Why does t this <deleted> happen to Thai people 

What did he do that was a criminal offence please update me 

[vangrop]

9 minutes ago, vangrop said:

just asking.  A farang "businessman" who almost needs to raise a crowd funding for getting 150.000 baht. Is this an April joke?

120000 baht

[Jenkins9039]

Likely his assets were frozen... 

 

So that's why money had to be raised.

[MangoKorat]

From the ScandAsia story:

 

'He was not provided with an interpreter and before he knew it, the case was concluded'

 

If that is that case I think the lawyer who gave a legal opinion to ScandAsia is 100% correct - that the first trial was probably invalid. As far as I know international law states that an interpreter must be provided to someone facing criminal charges in a court where a language other than their own is used. I think that applies to both charges and court proceedings.

 

I hope he can find the cash to employ a decent lawyer for any future court hearings.

[Skeptic7]

What kind of "businessman" doesn't have B120,000 handy❓ I'm a retired non-businessman and could have that amount of chump change to my attorney in 30 secs.

Businessman 🤣❗ 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Skeptic7

[bristolgeoff]

Why did he lose his share of the business in the first place.So now he wants to get revenge maybe they is more to this story we don,t know about

[DjSilver]

Who ever the Thai partner is, that is who is the criminal and scammer. Necer trust Thais in business, always believe they will try to scam you.

[Puccini]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

...From the day his lawyer was told he could be released on a guarantee amount of 120.000 THB, it took almost a month until it finally happened...

 

Who is going to tell the author of the article cited in the OP that the comma is used as thousand separator in English texts?

[Kerryd]

Sigh.
Apparently he never paid the taxes on the money the resort he (and his partner) owned. 

"In 2019, Stig forged the signature of his British business partner and transferred all his shares in their jointly owned company to his Thai wife whom he had married in 2013.
Stig also signed over his own shares to her. The purpose of signing over all their shares to Stig’s wife was for the company to be able to obtain a loan. After the transaction, Stig’s Thai wife owned 75 percent of the company with the remaining 25 percent owned by a handful of Thai minority shareholders.

The company needed the loan, because the company had for years not paid taxes and VAT correctly, and the accumulated debt was 1,5 mill. THB which the Revenue Department wanted paid back in one amount."

"The British partner then in the same year 2020 filed a criminal lawsuit against the Dane and his Thai wife for falsifying his signature. He denied that he had ever agreed to this. Now he had lost his company and the main assets of the company and he claimed 34 mill. THB in damages.

When the case came before the court in Koh Samui, the Dane failed to provide his lawyer with all the evidence he had in his possession that the transfer of shares was by mutual consent."

It sounds like this guy never paid the taxes on the money the resort made. His partner (a Brit) refused to help out with the 1.5 mil debt so the Dane forged his signature to cut him out of the company.

The Brit says he never agreed to it.
The Dane says he has evidence that the Brit agreed to it. Evidence he "somehow" forgot to give his lawyer at the original trial.

The Dane had also overstayed his visa.

 

[Puccini]

29 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Sigh.
Apparently...

 

@Kerryd

You forgot to add a link to the web page from which you quoted.

[Jonathan Swift]

1 hour ago, Puccini said:

 

Who is going to tell the author of the article cited in the OP that the comma is used as thousand separator in English texts?

No one, because if you do you will be punished by the administrators, being that it was written by one of them. 

[RobU]

11 minutes ago, Puccini said:

 

@Kerryd

You forgot to add a link to the web page from which you quoted.

It was originally reported in this forum

[PETERTHEEATER]

That's the last time I order coffee and a Danish to go.

[Nip]

3 hours ago, Olav Seglem said:

Was absolutely NOT impressive for a "businessman" to need a month to raise thb 120.000. AND need to turn to family and danish friends....

Indeed where was his 800K

[BritScot]

2 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

What kind of "businessman" doesn't have B120,000 handy❓ I'm a retired non-businessman and could have that amount of chump change to my attorney in 30 secs.

Businessman 🤣❗ 

Possibly not if all your assets frozen or quite possibly disappeared (ask the Dutch business man and his Thai wife who lost had stolen billions then kept in prison). I suppose having a trusted friend taking care if your company change 150,000baht is a way to do it. Next Thai Visa story: Mr Clever Clogs friend spent his camp change 150,000baht...

[Puccini]

52 minutes ago, RobU said:

It was originally reported in this forum

 

Thank you. Perhaps you will be kind enough to post the link to the earlier post on this subject somewhere on this forum. I tried to find it but failed.

[bignok]

Who cares

[Shocked farang]

3 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Sigh.
Apparently he never paid the taxes on the money the resort he (and his partner) owned. 

"In 2019, Stig forged the signature of his British business partner and transferred all his shares in their jointly owned company to his Thai wife whom he had married in 2013.
Stig also signed over his own shares to her. The purpose of signing over all their shares to Stig’s wife was for the company to be able to obtain a loan. After the transaction, Stig’s Thai wife owned 75 percent of the company with the remaining 25 percent owned by a handful of Thai minority shareholders.

The company needed the loan, because the company had for years not paid taxes and VAT correctly, and the accumulated debt was 1,5 mill. THB which the Revenue Department wanted paid back in one amount."

"The British partner then in the same year 2020 filed a criminal lawsuit against the Dane and his Thai wife for falsifying his signature. He denied that he had ever agreed to this. Now he had lost his company and the main assets of the company and he claimed 34 mill. THB in damages.

When the case came before the court in Koh Samui, the Dane failed to provide his lawyer with all the evidence he had in his possession that the transfer of shares was by mutual consent."

It sounds like this guy never paid the taxes on the money the resort made. His partner (a Brit) refused to help out with the 1.5 mil debt so the Dane forged his signature to cut him out of the company.

The Brit says he never agreed to it.
The Dane says he has evidence that the Brit agreed to it. Evidence he "somehow" forgot to give his lawyer at the original trial.

The Dane had also overstayed his visa.

 

If everything you said here is true, this Dane is a total crook and deserves to remain in jail for a very long time! 

[Jenkins9039]

5 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

From the ScandAsia story:

 

'He was not provided with an interpreter and before he knew it, the case was concluded'

 

If that is that case I think the lawyer who gave a legal opinion to ScandAsia is 100% correct - that the first trial was probably invalid. As far as I know international law states that an interpreter must be provided to someone facing criminal charges in a court where a language other than their own is used. I think that applies to both charges and court proceedings.

 

I hope he can find the cash to employ a decent lawyer for any future court hearings.

I was involved in a Criminal Case a few years ago as the person pushing it, the lawyers only speak Thai, likewise the Judges/Prosecutor. 

 

You usually have a English/French etc person provided by the law firm for the translating but are not themselves lawyers.

[MangoKorat]

6 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

I was involved in a Criminal Case a few years ago as the person pushing it, the lawyers only speak Thai, likewise the Judges/Prosecutor. 

 

You usually have a English/French etc person provided by the law firm for the translating but are not themselves lawyers.

Yes, foreign lawyers are not allowed to practice law in Thailand but there are plenty of Thai lawyers that speak English. The case itself will of course, only be conducted in Thai - hence the requirement for an interpreter.

 

In a major case where the defedant has the cash, I would imagine they also employ a foreign lawyer in an advisory capacity.

Edited November 23, 2023 by MangoKorat

[MangoKorat]

11 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

What kind of "businessman" doesn't have B120,000 handy❓ I'm a retired non-businessman and could have that amount of chump change to my attorney in 30 secs.

Businessman 🤣❗ 

Possibly one who's lost all his money in a failed business?

[MangoKorat]

From the 'article on 17 October' mentioned in the latest ScandAsia report.

 

'in a Thai appeals court no new evidence may be submitted.'

 

So, let's say you're convicted of murder and appeal the conviction because say, new evidence proves you were out of the country at the time of the murder - you can't submit that evidence on appeal?

 

Bizarre!!!