marriage visa extension financial requirements

[Tingnongnoi]

Hi does anyone have recent experience of extending marriage visa and showing the 40,000 baht monthly income instead of 400k in the bank, In particular an income of 40000+ from a THai company and if so what documents and proof were needed?

Thanks in advance

[sometimewoodworker]

6 minutes ago, Tingnongnoi said:

Hi does anyone have recent experience of extending marriage visa and showing the 40,000 baht monthly income instead of 400k in the bank, In particular an income of 40000+ from a THai company and if so what documents and proof were needed?

Thanks in advance

It isn’t a visa but an extension of stay and while I don’t use that method, for proof of income from a Thai source you are required to provide your tax documents showing that you are paying taxes on the income in addition to payslips.

After January you are extremely likely to have to do the same for non Thai income as well since all income is due to be taxed from then

Edited November 28, 2023 by sometimewoodworker

[Tingnongnoi]

5 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

It isn’t a visa but an extension of stay and while I don’t use that method, for proof of income from a Thai source you are required to provide your tax documents showing that you are paying taxes on the income in addition to payslips.

After January you are extremely likely to have to do the same for non Thai income as well since all income is due to be taxed from then

yes I know about the tax requirements, im sure there are more documents required though from employer

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

17 hours ago, Tingnongnoi said:

 

It isn’t a visa but an extension of stay

You are wrong to reply to the OP in that manner, he was perfectly correct in saying "of extending marriage visa".

Unless they have changed it recently the TM 7 requests the type of expired visa held.

[Lite Beer]

36 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You are wrong to reply to the OP in that manner, he was perfectly correct in saying "of extending marriage visa".

Unless they have changed it recently the TM 7 requests the type of expired visa held.

You cannot extend a Visa.

You can extend your permission to stay.

[sometimewoodworker]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

You are wrong to reply to the OP in that manner, he was perfectly correct in saying "of extending marriage visa".

Unless they have changed it recently the TM 7 requests the type of expired visa held.

I am not wrong at all, it seems that you may not understand the exact process. 
as @Lite Beer correctly stated though more definitely “ you can never extend a visa” 

You can extend your permission to stay.
 

look at the tm7 again  

to be exact is clearly states 

APPLICATION FOR EXTENSION OF TEMPORARY STAY IN THE KINGDOM

and “ I hereby apply for  extension  period of temporary stay in the Kingdom for……………days.” It doesn’t, never has, allow you to apply to extend your visa

 

and as you correctly state it asks the details of the visa that allowed you to request permission to enter Thailand (that visa is virtually always no longer valid).

The visa does not give you permission to stay in Thailand, that permission is granted by the immigration officer.

There is an important difference between the 2

[Liquorice]

On 11/29/2023 at 9:13 AM, sandyf said:

Unless they have changed it recently the TM 7 requests the type of expired visa held.

Simply because applicants for 1 year extension, for any purpose, must have Non Immigrant status and therefore been issued a type Non Imm visa.
If you have 'Tourist' status as opposed to 'Non Immigrant' status, you cannot apply for a 1 year extension.

[Liquorice]

20 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

and “ I hereby apply for  extension  period of temporary stay in the Kingdom for……………days.” It doesn’t, never has, allow you to apply to extend your visa

And if I may add to that;

Extensions of temporary stay are 'permits', not 'Visas'

 

The STM2 form that you complete and sign at Immigration makes this abundantly clear.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR PERMIT OF TEMPORARY STAY IN THE KINGDOM OF THAILAND.

I do herby acknowledge the terms and conditions applicable to this permit ............I hereby sign my name in the presence of official.

 

Of course, most expats either don't read or understand the forms they complete and sign.
As long as they get that stamp and can stay another year, they don't give a hoot about the correct terminology. 

 

[Liquorice]

On 11/28/2023 at 3:38 PM, Tingnongnoi said:

Hi does anyone have recent experience of extending marriage visa

There is no such type of visa as a 'marriage visa'
You would have held a Non Imm O type visa issued for the reason of Thai spouse.

You were then granted a period of stay, and it is this period of stay you apply to extend..

 

On 11/28/2023 at 3:38 PM, Tingnongnoi said:

and showing the 40,000 baht monthly income instead of 400k in the bank, In particular an income of 40000+ from a THai company and if so what documents and proof were needed?

You'll need to provide evidence of 12 monthly income slips of no less than 40K per month and tax receipts.

 

You'll be applying under section 2.18 of Immigration order 327/2557.
Quote: (6) In the case of marriage to a Thai woman, the alien husband must earn an average annual income of no less than Baht 40,000 per month or must have no less than Baht 400,000 in a bank account in Thailand for the past two months to cover expenses for one year.

 

You only require documents from your employer if applying based on working in Thailand.
Being married to a Thai automatically grants you the right to legally work, you just need a work permit.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Liquorice

[sandyf]

On 11/29/2023 at 9:51 AM, Lite Beer said:

You cannot extend a Visa.

You can extend your permission to stay.

Keep repeating the rhetoric if it makes you feel better.

On entering the country you are granted visa status attributed to the expired visa that is held, or exempt if no visa has been used. At immigration you can extend or in certain cases change your visa status. eg Exempt to Non O or Non O marriage to Non O retirement. Your visa status is the terms  and conditions of your presence in the country, the permission to stay stamp is nothing more than an indication of when your visa status will change to illegal.

In the English language it is fairly common practice for an adjective to be used as the noun.

[sandyf]

On 11/30/2023 at 9:59 AM, Liquorice said:

There is no such type of visa as a 'marriage visa'

You are wrong.

The english language allows for descriptive adjectives, something than many on this forum prefer to forget.

[Lite Beer]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Keep repeating the rhetoric if it makes you feel better.

On entering the country you are granted visa status attributed to the expired visa that is held, or exempt if no visa has been used. At immigration you can extend or in certain cases change your visa status. eg Exempt to Non O or Non O marriage to Non O retirement. Your visa status is the terms  and conditions of your presence in the country, the permission to stay stamp is nothing more than an indication of when your visa status will change to illegal.

In the English language it is fairly common practice for an adjective to be used as the noun.

I just post facts.

You seem to take pleasure in confusing people.

Please don't. 

Some people find Visa issues difficult as it is without you confusing them.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Lite Beer

[sandyf]

21 hours ago, Lite Beer said:

I just post facts.

You seem to take pleasure in confusing people.

Please don't. 

Some people find Visa issues difficult as it is without you confusing them.

You are the one that is causing confusion, permission to stay stamps do not determine how you can live in Thailand. The sooner people like you understand they only indicate the length of your current visa status, the sooner there will be less confusion.

[Lite Beer]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

You are the one that is causing confusion, permission to stay stamps do not determine how you can live in Thailand. The sooner people like you understand they only indicate the length of your current visa status, the sooner there will be less confusion.

You seem to believe that you are correct. As long as no one else does.

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

You are the one that is causing confusion, permission to stay stamps do not determine how you can live in Thailand. The sooner people like you understand they only indicate the length of your current visa status, the sooner there will be less confusion.

Sometimes I read posts from folk I have on ignore just to check if they currently posting correct advice.

 

Sadly your posts are full of misinformation and lack of understanding. 

Sad actually. 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

On 12/1/2023 at 4:48 PM, sandyf said:

On entering the country you are granted visa status attributed to the expired visa that is held, or exempt if no visa has been used.

You are confusing the visa which is in most cases issued outside Thailand (there are a small number issued in Thailand) with the permission to stay. Once the visa has been used it can never be extended. The permission to stay issued by the immigration officer is influenced by the visa, visa exempt, and nationality status. However you DO NOT have a visa status you have a permission to stay status.

On 12/1/2023 at 4:48 PM, sandyf said:

At immigration you can extend or in certain cases change your visa status

Incorrect, a visa is never extended, you can extend your permission to stay, you can in certain cases change the basis for your permission to stay, you can never change a visa.

 

On 12/1/2023 at 4:48 PM, sandyf said:

Exempt to Non O

Again wrong. A visa exempt entry is not a visa, it can not be changed into anything. You can (if you do it soon enough and you have the correct documents) be issued a Non-O visa buy Thai immigration that immediately used and you are then issued a permission to stay the status of the permission to stay is based on the used Visa 

 

On 12/1/2023 at 4:48 PM, sandyf said:

Your visa status is the terms  and conditions of your presence in the country, the permission to stay stamp is nothing more than an indication of when your visa status will change to illegal.

Again you are conflating the visa which allows you to present yourself to immigration with the permission to stay that is granted by the IO and is influenced by your status on entry (usually with a visa or without a visa)

 

Thailand is very unusual in that the visa only governs the entry to the country with the permission to stay governing how long you can stay. In most countries the two run concurrently so are not split.

 

In most countries you must depart before your visa expires. In Thailand you must only enter before your visa expires 

 

NOTE my statements are solely referring to Thailand, other countries have different rules and you should never assume that Thailand’s rules are the same TIT not any other country 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

Incidentally @sandyf‘s misunderstanding of the difference between a visa and the permission to stay in a country prompted me to look into one of  my 27+ Japanese applications to stay in Japan. Although the extension of stay is very commonly referred to as an extension of a visa IT IS NOT and never was, the paperwork for Japan clearly does not refer to an extension of a visa so in that way the regulations are similar to Thailand, though naturally there are rather important differences. I can’t comment on the correct terms on places where I haven’t researched but it is quite likely that this is true for many, if not all, other countries. 
The reason why it is important for Thailand is that it is the only country I know of where the visa expiration does not also limit your allowed period of stay. It is quite possible that this is unique. This means that it may well be the only country where it is vitally important to differentiate between a visa and a permission to stay.

 

So just because you call something by the wrong name and others may also use the wrong name doesn’t make the name correct.

 

 

 

[sandyf]

On 12/2/2023 at 5:10 PM, DrJack54 said:

Sometimes I read posts from folk I have on ignore just to check if they currently posting correct advice.

 

Sadly your posts are full of misinformation and lack of understanding. 

Sad actually. 

 

What is really sad is the self appointed gurus cannot get away from historical concepts.

Every foreigner in Thailand has visa status but if you want to say one persons pemission to stay stamp allows them to work and anothers doesn't that is up to you.

[Liquorice]

On 11/30/2023 at 9:59 AM, Liquorice said:

There is no such type of visa as a 'marriage visa'

On 12/1/2023 at 4:57 PM, sandyf said:

You are wrong.

 

Please post an image of a visa depicting the type as 'marriage'.

There are many 'types' of visas, but a 'marriage' or 'retirement visa do not exist.

The Non Immigrant 'O' visa is issued for the purpose or reason of marriage or retirement.

The 'O' referring to aliens entering the kingdom for a temporary stay for 'other' activities not listed in 1-14 of section 34 of the Immigration Act.

 

Chapter 4
Temporary Stay in the Kingdom
Section 34 : aliens entering into the kingdom for a temporary stay may enter for the below listed activities
1. Diplomatic or Consular Missions.
2. Performance of official duties.
3. Touring
4. Sporting
5. Business
6. Investing under the concurrence of the Ministries and Departments concerned.
7. Investing or other activities relating to investing subject to the provisions of the law on
investment promotion.
8. Transit journey.
9. Being the person in charge of the crew of a conveyance coming to port, station , or area in
the Kingdom.
10. Study or observation.
11. Mass media.
12. Missionary work under the concurrence of the Ministries and departments concerned.
13. Scientific research or training or teach in a Research Institute in the Kingdom.
14. The practice of skilled handicraft or as a specialist
15. Other activities as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.

Section 35 : The Director General or the competent official deputized by the Director General shall have
the authority to permit the alien , who entered to stay temporarily in the Kingdom under Section 34 , to
remain in the Kingdom under any prescribed conditions. The periods of time which one is authorized to
stay in the Kingdom are as Follows :
1. Not exceeding 30 days for a case under Section 34 (4) , (8) and ( 9 )
2. Not exceeding 90 days for a case under Section 34 (3)
3. Not exceeding one year for a case under Section 34 (5) , (10), (11) , (12), (13) , (14) and (15)
4. Not exceeding two years for a case under Section 34 (6)
5. As deemed necessary for a case under Section 34 (1) and (2)
6. As deemed appropriate by the Commission of Investment Promotion , for a case under
Section 34 (7

 

 

[Liquorice]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

What is really sad is the self appointed gurus cannot get away from historical concepts.

Here's a piece of historical concepts posted by that Thai Immigration guru 'Thailand's Ministry of Foreign Affairs'.

 

https://www.mfa.go.th/en/page/general-information?menu=5e1ff6d057b01e00a6391dc5

7. Please note that the period of visa validity is different from the period of stay.  Visa validity is the period during which a visa can be used to enter Thailand.  In general, the validity of a visa is 3 months, but in some cases, visas may be issued to be valid for 6 months, 1 year or 3 years.  The validity of a visa is granted with discretion by the Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General and is displayed on the visa sticker. 

8. On the other hand, the period of stay is granted by an immigration officer upon arrival at the port of entry and in accordance with the type of visa.  For example, the period of stay for a transit visa is not exceeding 30 days, for a tourist visa is not exceeding 60 days and for a non-immigrant visa is not exceeding 90 days from the arrival date.  The period of stay granted by the immigration officer is displayed on the arrival stamp.  Travellers who wish to stay longer than such period may apply for extension of stay at offices of the Immigration Bureau in Bangkok, located at Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889 or at an Immigration office located in the provinces. 

[Liquorice]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Every foreigner in Thailand has visa status but if you want to say one persons pemission to stay stamp allows them to work and anothers doesn't that is up to you.

No, every foreigner in Thailand has an 'Immigration status', not 'visa status'.
Many foreigners can enter Thailand without any visa, but they still have an Immigration status.

 

Regardless of one's visa type, or the reason for their permission of stay, you still need a work permit to legally work in Thailand.