Trump can be sued over January 6 Capitol attack, US appeals court rules

[CharlieH]

 

A US appeals court on Friday ruled that Donald Trump must face civil lawsuits over his role in the 6 January 2021 attack on the Capitol by his supporters, rejecting the former president’s claim that he is immune.

A panel of the US court of appeals for the District of Columbia circuit found that Trump was acting “in his personal capacity as a presidential candidate” when he urged his supporters to march to the Capitol. US presidents are immune from civil lawsuits only for official actions. Part of the lawsuit was filed under the 1871 Ku Klux Klan Act, a Reconstruction-era law, which makes it illegal to prevent an officer of the United States from performing their duties through threats or intimidation.

 

“When a first-term President opts to seek a second term, his campaign to win re-election is not an official presidential act,” Sri Srinivasan, the chief judge of the US court of appeals for the DC circuit wrote for a unanimous three-judge panel. “While Presidents are often exercising official responsibilities when they speak on matters of public concern, that is not always the case.”

Srinivasan, an appointee of Barack Obama, was joined by Gregory Katsas, a Trump appointee, and Judith Rogers, an appointee of Bill Clinton.

While the panel ruled Trump could be sued, it made it clear it was not precluding him from arguing that he was acting in his official capacity as a defense as the lawsuit proceeds.

“When these cases move forward in the district court, he must be afforded the opportunity to develop his own facts on the immunity question if he desires to show that he took the actions alleged in the complaints in his official capacity as President rather than in his unofficial capacity as a candidate,” the opinion said.

 

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[stevenl]

And simultaneously also judge Chutkhan rejected this same defense in 'her' lawsuit.

[Tug]

Shaping up to be a great day for America and democracy santos flushed and Donnie is circling the drain!!yup a good day indeed 

[300sd]

2 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Sri Srinivasan, the chief judge of the US court of appeals

No wonder the US justice system is collapsing. He was never a judge before! Obama appointed a lawyer/prosecutor to be chief judge of US court of appeals. Pathetic.

[Georgealbert]

20 minutes ago, 300sd said:

No wonder the US justice system is collapsing. He was never a judge before! Obama appointed a lawyer/prosecutor to be chief judge of US court of appeals. Pathetic.

What should judges before being a judge? Seems standard career.

 

Or is there something else you do not like about Sri?
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Srinivasan

[thaibeachlovers]

It was always inevitable, but the only thing that matters is the verdict, and it may be some time before that occurs, perhaps as far away as after next November.

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It was always inevitable, but the only thing that matters is the verdict, and it may be some time before that occurs, perhaps as far away as after next November.

So you're saying it was frivolous appeal. Agreed.

[EVENKEEL]

Will Biden stand tall for the Summer of Love? Right is right.

[Tug]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It was always inevitable, but the only thing that matters is the verdict, and it may be some time before that occurs, perhaps as far away as after next November.

Oh it’s a coming and I have a strong feeling that many republican law makers will rejoice in his conviction (not publicly tho that requires principals and courage) sadly lacking by most of them 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, stevenl said:

So you're saying it was frivolous appeal. Agreed.

I don't know that "frivolous" is the right word, but the opposition to Trump is not going to give up any time soon and are using any and all options to try and stop him becoming POTUS.

It would be more productive to look at WHY Trump even became POTUS the first time and set their own house in order, then put up a better candidate than a geriatric that talks to dead people.

[bendejo]

When and if all this is settled there will be lawsuits against DT (or his estate, if there is anything left after he's gone) for provoking his MAGA followers to go after his enemies.  Not just for the for physical harm but also for expenses in having to hire security and the having to live in fear.  Mitt Romney and Nancy Pelosi could start the ball rolling now.

 

8 hours ago, Tug said:

Oh it’s a coming and I have a strong feeling that many republican law makers will rejoice in his conviction (not publicly tho that requires principals and courage) sadly lacking by most of them 

Have you seen what they call him?  Behind his back, of course.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/11/liz-cheney-book-orange-jesus

 

 

[Skipalongcassidy]

And the "haters" continue to hate... as the swamp pollutes itself further they can only offer vitriol... America is sick  

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't know that "frivolous" is the right word, but the opposition to Trump is not going to give up any time soon and are using any and all options to try and stop him becoming POTUS.

It would be more productive to look at WHY Trump even became POTUS the first time and set their own house in order, then put up a better candidate than a geriatric that talks to dead people.

Your usual deflecting.

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't know that "frivolous" is the right word, but the opposition to Trump is not going to give up any time soon and are using any and all options to try and stop him becoming POTUS.

It would be more productive to look at WHY Trump even became POTUS the first time and set their own house in order, then put up a better candidate than a geriatric that talks to dead people.

If the dems would pick a middle of the road democrat, one who doesn't fall inline with the radical left wingers. It would be a walk in the park to the white house. Joe Manchin comes to mind.

[stevenl]

46 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

If the dems would pick a middle of the road democrat, one who doesn't fall inline with the radical left wingers. It would be a walk in the park to the white house. Joe Manchin comes to mind.

Your post is off topic but it did give me a good laugh.

But it's also sad, your post indicates how much society has moved to the right.

[candide]

Meanwhile...😁

 

 “The one thing they don’t want to talk about is the [2020] election. They are guilty as hell, they cheated like hell,” Trump claimed, presumably of everyone who correctly recognized and validated the actual election results. “They know it, and you’ll never find out all the ways. But we don’t need all the ways because, you know, it was, I think 22,000 votes separated it, and we have millions and millions of votes. It’s a very sad thing.” 🤣

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-jesus-came-down-002004647.html

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by candide

[FritsSikkink]

On 12/2/2023 at 10:00 AM, 300sd said:

No wonder the US justice system is collapsing. He was never a judge before! Obama appointed a lawyer/prosecutor to be chief judge of US court of appeals. Pathetic.

Your democracy was collapsing by traitor Trump and his cronies: Trump attorney charged in Georgia 2020 case begins cooperating in Nevada probe (msn.com)

[Danderman123]

On 12/2/2023 at 10:00 AM, 300sd said:

No wonder the US justice system is collapsing. He was never a judge before! Obama appointed a lawyer/prosecutor to be chief judge of US court of appeals. Pathetic.

Nope. Your internet friends have misinformed you.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Srinivasan

 

He was Principal Deputy Solicitor General at DOJ.

 

Served as a judge on the Court of Appeals.

 

After 7 years, became Chief Justice.

 

[Danderman123]

Trump is going to deluged in lawsuits.

 

The MAGA types here are going to have to dig deep into their pockets to bail him out.

[LosLobo]

US aims to show Trump's history of vote fraud claims at 2020 election trial

 

"The defendant's false claims about the 2012 and 2016 elections are admissible because they demonstrate the defendant's common plan of falsely blaming fraud for election results he does not like, as well as his motive, intent and plan to obstruct the certification of the 2020 election results and illegitimately retain power'' noted Special Counsel Jack Smith's team.

 

From 2016 Trump Clinton debate....

 

US aims to show Trump's history of vote fraud claims at 2020 election trial | Reuters

Edited December 5, 2023 by LosLobo

[Danderman123]

Trump's only chance to avoid poverty and jail is to win the 2024 election.

 

But his problem is that he's crazy, and he will triple down on appealing to the nut jobs on the fringe. This will stir them up, but alienate the sane voters, for whom Peace and Prosperity are the key issues.

 

How can you tell if a poster is a Trump cult follower? Ask them if they really believe that Trump weighs 215 lbs as he claims.  If they are fully assimilated into the cult, they won't answer the simple question.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Danderman123

[EVENKEEL]

On 12/2/2023 at 8:35 PM, stevenl said:

Your post is off topic but it did give me a good laugh.

But it's also sad, your post indicates how much society has moved to the right.

I was merely replying to a poster. Feel free to apply for moderator position. It only seems society is moving to the right because of insane folks on the left going too far. 

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I was merely replying to a poster. Feel free to apply for moderator position. It only seems society is moving to the right because of insane folks on the left going too far. 

How do you think about dropping the eligible age for Medicare to 62, is that too insane for you?

[placeholder]

On 12/3/2023 at 5:30 AM, Skipalongcassidy said:

And the "haters" continue to hate... as the swamp pollutes itself further they can only offer vitriol... America is sick  

Can you identify what was hateful in the decision of those 3 judges?

[placeholder]

On 12/2/2023 at 8:12 PM, EVENKEEL said:

Will Biden stand tall for the Summer of Love? Right is right.

What this post tells us is that you're obsessed with Biden. But apart from that ....whaaaaaaa?

[Emdog]

On 12/2/2023 at 10:00 AM, 300sd said:

No wonder the US justice system is collapsing. He was never a judge before! Obama appointed a lawyer/prosecutor to be chief judge of US court of appeals. Pathetic.

You do realise that Trump appointed judges who'd never been in a court or tried a case.... if Obama is pathetic what does that make Trump?

[Georgealbert]

6 minutes ago, Emdog said:

You do realise that Trump appointed judges who'd never been in a court or tried a case.... if Obama is pathetic what does that make Trump?

I do not believe it was the qualifications that upset 300sd!

[Skipalongcassidy]

21 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

How do you think about dropping the eligible age for Medicare to 62, is that too insane for you?

Another democrapt looking for a handout... Affordable Care Act wasn't enough for him... hahaha

[Tug]

Hey here’s a thought can the American electorate sue trump for being a fraud?he obviously betrayed the oath of office 

[Danderman123]

24 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Another democrapt looking for a handout... Affordable Care Act wasn't enough for him... hahaha

You don't support making healthcare affordable for everyone?

 

Oh, you support the Republican healthcare plan: "Die Quickly".

Edited December 7, 2023 by Danderman123