How come English speakers are incomprehensible to others?

[Scouse123]

  On 12/5/2023 at 8:44 AM, pub2022 said:

How come english native speakers do not know how to properly use it's/its and there/their?

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That depends on the educational standards of the English native speakers you have been conversing with. I certainly know the difference.

[Chris Daley]

It means you are just not very good at English.  The lazy students are like you.  They speak basic pub English and it is full of mistakes.  The advanced students can joke about current events and speak at full speed in a clear voice.

 

Either all English speakers are wrong, or you suck at English.  Also try this on with Chinese.  Go to the teacher and tell her she can not speak Chinese.

[scubascuba3]

  On 12/5/2023 at 8:52 AM, bignok said:

You should all copy Aussies

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I agree most but not all aussies are quite clear with their English, the downside is they are a bit slow

[bluemoon58]

dont no wot u mean!

[alex8912]

  On 12/5/2023 at 11:02 AM, MangoKorat said:

I fully understand your problems.  I have never understood why some native English speakers use their accent and/or colloquial language when speaking to foreigners.  I have a strong localised accent and may speak colloquially when I'm at home in England but I can also speak what is known as the 'Queen's English' (now King's) and I use that when I'm abroad.  I believe that most if not all other native English speakers can also do the same - they just don't. How they expect people who have been taught basic English to understand them is beyond me. 

 

There are other problems too, the fact that so many English teachers abroad teach American English instead of the official international standard of British English can also be confusing for foreigners. Many's the time I've heard a Thai national say 'trash can' or 'sidewalk'.  There is no excuse for this, the teachers know the differences between US English and British English and should be teaching the correct language, regardless of which one they use themselves.  The whole point in having an international language is to enable communication between the speakers of different languages - installing confusion into that mix is not at all helpful.

 

Most native English speakers know the differences between US and British English but non native speakers are unlikely to.

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Your trash can and sidewalk examples are exactly what the large majority of English speakers understand " official international standard of British English" sounds like something that no one cares about in 2023.  All languages change and so does British English except for some very stubborn folks. To say an English teacher  should not use the terms sidewalk or trash can or truck or dozens of other terms is a ridiculous. I bet 99% of a people in England know exactly what a sidewalk is.  Also when these students want to travel etc it's best to learn the words that almost everyone understands. Archaic languages and words are not understood anymore. 

[1FinickyOne]

  On 12/5/2023 at 7:50 AM, vangrop said:

Is it their accent

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more likely your accent... as a native English speaker I find some English speakers also difficult to understand - Scottish, Irish can be difficult depending on from what part of the country they are from... 

[bignok]

  On 12/6/2023 at 5:22 AM, scubascuba3 said:

I agree most but not all aussies are quite clear with their English, the downside is they are a bit slow

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Yet IQ tests put them above poms.

[proton]

Glasgee English

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/5/2023 at 8:48 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

its just arduous

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Hahhahaaa... It's just arduously ironic.

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/5/2023 at 9:19 AM, bubblegum said:

BTW. I really would like to know the difference and correct use of, sleeping and asleep.

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If you know the correct use of a dictionary, that could help you.

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/5/2023 at 9:23 AM, Georgealbert said:

Or just posting nonesnse like most of the threads you start.

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"...just posting nonesnse..." [sic]

 

Rather like yourself, then.

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/5/2023 at 9:55 AM, Moonlover said:

BTW the word English is a proper noun and should be capitalized.

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Capitalised.  BTW.

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/5/2023 at 10:43 AM, Olav Seglem said:

And also-we can ask polite:"can you please try speak without your dialect, so more easy for me to understand :-)

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That would not be polite, it would be extremely tactless and rude.  

[Georgealbert]

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:30 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

"...just posting nonesnse..." [sic]

 

Rather like yourself, then.

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Thank you. This was after posting a light hearted video.

 

So how would you describe you post? Worthless, pathetic or plan pointless.

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/5/2023 at 11:43 AM, GreasyFingers said:

The Americans have bastardized the English language.

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As have you bastardised that sentence!

[scottiejohn]

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:43 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

As have you bastardised that sentence!

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How "bastardised" do you think your last sentence on this forum, which I have quoted above, is?

 

 

 

[vangrop]

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:43 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

As have you bastardised that sentence!

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BTW mister Orthography it is bastardized and capitalized

[VocalNeal]

  On 12/6/2023 at 5:48 AM, alex8912 said:

Your trash can and sidewalk examples are exactly what the large majority of English speakers understand " official international standard of British English" sounds like something that no one cares about in 2023.  All languages change and so does British English except for some very stubborn folks. To say an English teacher  should not use the terms sidewalk or trash can or truck or dozens of other terms is a ridiculous. I bet 99% of a people in England know exactly what a sidewalk is.  Also when these students want to travel etc it's best to learn the words that almost everyone understands. Archaic languages and words are not understood anymore. 

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[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/6/2023 at 1:16 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Always fun to mimic some words like "water" the Brits say waher.

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No, the British do not, as a rule.  Some do.

[simon43]

  On 12/6/2023 at 1:16 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Always fun to mimic some words like "water" the Brits say waher. A bawhl of waher. ahahahaa 

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You are obviously speaking to uneducated Brits. I say "A bowl of water".  It's not difficult.....

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:42 AM, Georgealbert said:

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:30 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

...just posting nonesnse..." [sic]

 

Rather like yourself, then.

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Thank you. This was after posting a light hearted video.

 

So how would you describe you post? Worthless, pathetic or plan pointless.

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"Worthless, pathetic or plan pointless".

In this context, I'd describe my post as observational, accurate and sardonic. I'd describe yours, ironically, using the three words you chose even though I have no idea what "plan pointless" [sic] means!

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:50 AM, scottiejohn said:

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:43 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

As have you bastardised that sentence!

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How "bastardised" do you think your last sentence on this forum, which I have quoted above, is?

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Nothing bastardised about that sentence but I wouldn't expect you to understand.  

[Georgealbert]

  On 12/6/2023 at 10:05 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

"Worthless, pathetic or plan pointless".

In this context, I'd describe my post as observational, accurate and sardonic. I'd describe yours, ironically, using the three words you chose even though I have no idea what "plan pointless" [sic] means!

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BYE, and thank you for being the sad grammar police. 
 

My day would be so empty with your insightful posts. 555555

 

You really must be a great bundle of fun to be with!!
 

Watch that chip on your shoulder does not get too heavy.

 

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:53 AM, vangrop said:

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:43 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

As have you bastardised that sentence!

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BTW mister Orthography it is bastardized and capitalized

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If you say so...but it isn't.   BTW, "mister" should be capitalised when using it as an honorific.

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/6/2023 at 10:13 AM, Georgealbert said:

  On 12/6/2023 at 10:05 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

"Worthless, pathetic or plan pointless".

In this context, I'd describe my post as observational, accurate and sardonic. I'd describe yours, ironically, using the three words you chose even though I have no idea what "plan pointless" [sic] means!

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BYE, and thank you for being the sad grammar police. 

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Most of the entire thread is about grammar/pronunciation, including your comments!  If you think that the thread is "sad", you don't have to try to contribute.

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 12/6/2023 at 10:13 AM, Georgealbert said:

BYE, and thank you for being the sad grammar police. 
 

My day would be so empty with your insightful posts. 555555

 

You really must be a great bundle of fun to be with!!
 

Watch that chip on your shoulder does not get too heavy.

 

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Aww, please don't go.

[Georgealbert]

  On 12/6/2023 at 10:25 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

Aww, please don't go.

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The baiting key board warrior.

 

Your post prove, you must be a champion kite flyer.

 

Get a life, instead of being a sad troll.

[Moonlover]

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:36 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

On 12/5/2023 at 4:55 PM, Moonlover said:

BTW the word English is a proper noun and should be capitalized.

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  On 12/6/2023 at 9:36 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

Capitalised.  BTW.

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Oh really?

 

capitalized

 

/ˈkapədlˌīzd/

adjective

1.

(of a word or letter) written as a capital letter or in capital letters.

"a capitalized title"

2.

(of a company or financial institution) provided with capital.

"operating highly leveraged, thinly capitalized firms is incredibly risky"

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/capitalize

 

 

[bubblegum]

  On 12/6/2023 at 9:23 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

If you know the correct use of a dictionary, that could help you.

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Tried but I'm to dumb, please explain !

[scottiejohn]

  On 12/6/2023 at 10:10 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

Nothing bastardised about that sentence but I wouldn't expect you to understand.  

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I could, possibly,  have understand it if it had not been written in the "Bastardized" English you used!