Xi warned Biden that China WILL reunify with Taiwan in blunt message

[heybruce]

23 hours ago, Selatan said:

I'm not from the US, but in Malaysia, we did study a bit of American history.

 

I don't remember the Confederate States were allowed to secede peacefully from the United States in the American Civil War. And the United States is a federation. But China was never a federation. China has been a unitary state for thousands of years.

China has been expanding and contracting dramatically for thousands of years, and during most of that time Taiwan was not part of China.

[Emdog]

On 12/24/2023 at 1:56 AM, Selatan said:

I'm not from the US, but in Malaysia, we did study a bit of American history.

 

I don't remember the Confederate States were allowed to secede peacefully from the United States in the American Civil War. And the United States is a federation. But China was never a federation. China has been a unitary state for thousands of years.

The US Civil war started due to the confederate states firing on Fort Sumter: "they started it" which solved the problem the union faced of "what do we do about it?". A similar problem occurred after Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor: do we declare war only on Japan? Hitler solved that by declaring war on USA.

Anyone who thinks Taiwan would peacefully slip into CCP is nuts. They've had their experiences with dictators, and don't want to go down that path again. Would probably agree to reunification IF mainland agreed to be under Taiwanese goverence.

[novacova]

On 12/21/2023 at 6:43 AM, CharlieH said:

Top lawmakers are expressing concern that the U.S. is projecting 'weakness' after a new report revealed Chinese President Xi Jinping told President Biden he is planning to take over Taiwan soon.

 Biden is an easy exploit, so of course Xi and anyone else will certainly execute an opportunity which has already been in play by advisors and international advisories. Poor fella is putty being pulled and pushed in every direction while asleep at the wheel.

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1 minute ago, novacova said:

 Biden is an easy exploit, so of course Xi and anyone else will certainly execute an opportunity which has already been in play by advisors and international advisories. Poor fella is putty being pulled and pushed in every direction while asleep at the wheel.

Someone else operating via Pavlovian reflex. You clearly are utterly unacquainted with the facts. Biden has pushed far harder against China than any previous since Nixon's opening to that country.   

[Selatan]

23 hours ago, placeholder said:

What you failed to mention is that a proposed bill that addressed this issue was opposed by China.

 

"Before 1997, the British colonial government introduced the Crimes (Amendment)(No.2) Bill 1996 in an attempt to concretise the concepts of "subversion" and "secession" by confining them to actual violent conduct but of no avail. The bill was voted down in the elected Legislative Council of Hong Kong amid opposition from Beijing and thus left a vacuum in the present legislation.^[6]"

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Basic_Law_Article_23#cite_note-6}

What was the reason Beijing opposed that 1996 amendment? So that the LegCo may be given the opportunity to legislate the laws on its own after the 1997 handover?

[illisdean]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Someone else operating via Pavlovian reflex. You clearly are utterly unacquainted with the facts. Biden has pushed far harder against China than any previous since Nixon's opening to that country.   

Biden's weak on everything, not just CN, all due in part to his incredible influence peddling and corruption plus the fact that he's about as smart as a fence post and has proven that the past 40 or 50 years in politics. Throw in pathological liar status, you got one super mega weak liar corrupt loser in the WH, but likely not for much longer.

 

I think he mouthed off one time bragging abut earning 3 undergrad degrees. Trump embellishes and exaggerates this vegetable just flat out lies, keeps repeating the same lies and fake stories over and over but probably caused or exacerbated by his dementia or whatever is affecting his brains.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vintage-biden-clip-resurfaces-law-school#:~:text=A 1987 clip of Joe Biden has resurfaced%2C showing him exaggerating his academic record%2C boasting that he graduated “in the top half of my class” - before he later admitted that he graduated 76th in a class of 85

 

Edited December 25, 2023 by illisdean

[Selatan]

4 hours ago, Emdog said:

The US Civil war started due to the confederate states firing on Fort Sumter: "they started it" which solved the problem the union faced of "what do we do about it?". A similar problem occurred after Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor: do we declare war only on Japan? Hitler solved that by declaring war on USA.

Anyone who thinks Taiwan would peacefully slip into CCP is nuts. They've had their experiences with dictators, and don't want to go down that path again. Would probably agree to reunification IF mainland agreed to be under Taiwanese goverence.

The Confederates were allowed to secede or not? That was the question. Not who fired the first shot. History is full of false flag operations and misunderstandings. The Marco Polo Bridge Incident marks the point of the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War. If Japan was not intending to conquer China, that incident would have been a minor issue, but it was used to justify a full-scale war with China. The same with the Fort Sumter shooting - it's just one bloody excuse. Ditto the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam War.

 

It's not up to Taiwan to agree or not. Taiwan has an even bigger fertility problem than on the mainland. Its barracks are emptying out. It just doesn't have enough men to defend the island in the future.

 

Also, more and more sectors of Taiwan's economy have been lost to the mainland. Semiconductors is next. And no, China is not going to invade Taiwan to seize the TSMC factories, contrary to popular Western opinion. All China needs to do is wait, until Taiwan's economy goes down the drain, because it will, due to Taiwan's very low fertility rate and ageing population.

[ozimoron]

13 minutes ago, Selatan said:

The Confederates were allowed to secede or not? That was the question. Not who fired the first shot. History is full of false flag operations and misunderstandings. The Marco Polo Bridge Incident marks the point of the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War. If Japan was not intending to conquer China, that incident would have been a minor issue, but it was used to justify a full-scale war with China. The same with the Fort Sumter shooting - it's just one bloody excuse. Ditto the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam War.

 

It's not up to Taiwan to agree or not. Taiwan has an even bigger fertility problem than on the mainland. Its barracks are emptying out. It just doesn't have enough men to defend the island in the future.

 

Also, more and more sectors of Taiwan's economy have been lost to the mainland. Semiconductors is next. And no, China is not going to invade Taiwan to seize the TSMC factories, contrary to popular Western opinion. All China needs to do is wait, until Taiwan's economy goes down the drain, because it will, due to Taiwan's very low fertility rate and ageing population.

 

It's not up to Chine to decide. Taiwan has effectively been an independent country for decades. It's their call and theirs alone.

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16 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Biden's weak on everything, not just CN, all due in part to his incredible influence peddling and corruption plus the fact that he's about as smart as a fence post and has proven that the past 40 or 50 years in politics. Throw in pathological liar status, you got one super mega weak liar corrupt loser in the WH, but likely not for much longer.

 

I think he mouthed off one time bragging abut earning 3 undergrad degrees. Trump embellishes and exaggerates this vegetable just flat out lies, keeps repeating the same lies and fake stories over and over but probably caused or exacerbated by his dementia or whatever is affecting his brains.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vintage-biden-clip-resurfaces-law-school#:~:text=A 1987 clip of Joe Biden has resurfaced%2C showing him exaggerating his academic record%2C boasting that he graduated “in the top half of my class” - before he later admitted that he graduated 76th in a class of 85

 

You mean the corruption that even Comer's witnesses say there's no proof of?

And what do your comments on Biden's prepresidential conduct have to to with what he's done as President? As I noted before, since the US and China established relations, no President has been nearly as tough on China as Biden has been. How ill-informed do you have to be to say otherrwise?

Spewing much?

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48 minutes ago, Selatan said:

What was the reason Beijing opposed that 1996 amendment? So that the LegCo may be given the opportunity to legislate the laws on its own after the 1997 handover?

Before 1997, the government of British Hong Kong introduced the Crimes (Amendment)(No. 2) Bill 1996 in an attempt to concretize the concepts of "subversion" and secession" by confining them to actual violent conduct but it failed as it was strongly opposed by the PRC government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_(Legislative_Provisions)_Bill_2003#cite_note-wong-4

 

 

[candide]

4 hours ago, illisdean said:

Biden's weak on everything, not just CN, all due in part to his incredible influence peddling and corruption plus the fact that he's about as smart as a fence post and has proven that the past 40 or 50 years in politics. Throw in pathological liar status, you got one super mega weak liar corrupt loser in the WH, but likely not for much longer.

 

I think he mouthed off one time bragging abut earning 3 undergrad degrees. Trump embellishes and exaggerates this vegetable just flat out lies, keeps repeating the same lies and fake stories over and over but probably caused or exacerbated by his dementia or whatever is affecting his brains.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vintage-biden-clip-resurfaces-law-school#:~:text=A 1987 clip of Joe Biden has resurfaced%2C showing him exaggerating his academic record%2C boasting that he graduated “in the top half of my class” - before he later admitted that he graduated 76th in a class of 85

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-claimed-lincoln-project-used-104810922.html

[charleskerins]

On 12/21/2023 at 6:43 AM, CharlieH said:

 

• Xi reportedly expressed to Biden during last month's APEC Summit in San Francisco, California, that China would 'reunify' with Taiwan 
• Top lawmakers are expressing concern that the U.S. is projecting 'weakness'
• The White House downplayed the report, saying Xi's reported remarks are not 'different or new'

 

 

Top lawmakers are expressing concern that the U.S. is projecting 'weakness' after a new report revealed Chinese President Xi Jinping told President Biden he is planning to take over Taiwan soon.

Xi expressed to Biden during last month's APEC Summit in San Francisco, California, that China would 'reunify' with Taiwan, but the timing was still not determined, according to NBC News.

The Chinese president added that his preference is that Taiwan would be taken over 'peacefully' and not by force, according to three U.S. officials. 

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who serves as the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee called the report 'beyond unnerving.'

'To communist China, if you think you can bully your way into destroying world order without consequences, you will be making Putin's decision to invade Ukraine look wise,' he said in a statement to DailyMail.com.

 

The top Republican pledged to work with his Democratic colleagues to first push through a 'robust' defense aid package to Taiwan and also draft 'pre-invasion' sanctions on China. 

He said imposing 'sanctions from hell' on China will deter the nation from trying to seize Taiwan. 

The South Carolina senator added that 'apparently China sees weakness' when it comes to the Biden-led United States. 

Another top Republican, Rep. Mike Waltz, echoed concerns that the Biden administration is projecting weakness. 

'China's dictator came to American soil and told Biden his face he's taking Taiwan,' Waltz, R-Fla., wrote on X.

'The world will not survive 5 more years of this WEAKNESS in the White House!,' he continued. 

What a load of crap -donnie goes over and salutes the North Korean Generals

who laugh at him. Grahama should not about weakness because he's a coward. China will wait till after the election they will not move on Taiwan with Biden in the WH our navy will put a hurting on them. If Jb is reelected china won't do s##t. 

FULL STORY

 

[charleskerins]

5 hours ago, illisdean said:

Biden's weak on everything, not just CN, all due in part to his incredible influence peddling and corruption plus the fact that he's about as smart as a fence post and has proven that the past 40 or 50 years in politics. Throw in pathological liar status, you got one super mega weak liar corrupt loser in the WH, but likely not for much longer.

 

I think he mouthed off one time bragging abut earning 3 undergrad degrees. Trump embellishes and exaggerates this vegetable just flat out lies, keeps repeating the same lies and fake stories over and over but probably caused or exacerbated by his dementia or whatever is affecting his brains.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vintage-biden-clip-resurfaces-law-school#:~:text=A 1987 clip of Joe Biden has resurfaced%2C showing him exaggerating his academic record%2C boasting that he graduated “in the top half of my class” - before he later admitted that he graduated 76th in a class of 85

 

Did he pay someone to take his SATS? no   Did he commit sedition? no Did he use kids cancer charity money for a self portrait no.  Did he whup donnie in an election-yep.   Seek therapy you need it. " Throw in pathological liar status, you got one super mega weak liar corrupt loser in the WH"  dt isn't in the WH  555  and Biden is way smarter than you or the orange whining bitch.,

Edited December 25, 2023 by charleskerins
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[charleskerins]

5 hours ago, Selatan said:

The Confederates were allowed to secede or not? That was the question. Not who fired the first shot. History is full of false flag operations and misunderstandings. The Marco Polo Bridge Incident marks the point of the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War. If Japan was not intending to conquer China, that incident would have been a minor issue, but it was used to justify a full-scale war with China. The same with the Fort Sumter shooting - it's just one bloody excuse. Ditto the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam War.

 

It's not up to Taiwan to agree or not. Taiwan has an even bigger fertility problem than on the mainland. Its barracks are emptying out. It just doesn't have enough men to defend the island in the future.

 

Also, more and more sectors of Taiwan's economy have been lost to the mainland. Semiconductors is next. And no, China is not going to invade Taiwan to seize the TSMC factories, contrary to popular Western opinion. All China needs to do is wait, until Taiwan's economy goes down the drain, because it will, due to Taiwan's very low fertility rate and ageing population.

Ft Sumter was attacked not a false flag operation 

[illisdean]

23 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

Did he pay someone to take his SATS? no   Did he commit sedition? no Did he use kids cancer charity money for a self portrait no.  Did he whup donnie in an election-yep.   Seek therapy you need it. " Throw in pathological liar status, you got one super mega weak liar corrupt loser in the WH"  dt isn't in the WH  555  and Biden is way smarter than you or the orange whining bitch.,

Biden is pretty dumb, and his vegetable brain has turned to mush and at the end of the day, the only people that are dumber than Biden are those that voted for him. Biden or whoever committed sedition, probably difficult for you to understand, but if you are referring to 14th, Sec 3, then giving aid and comfort to the ebemy is exactly what Biden HAS DONE. If you think about it, you might catch on. I am not trying to make you look stupid, as you seem to have that on full display here. Sorry for you, but go check the 14th and see how Biden has inculpated himself.

Irregardless, he is DOA for the ballot probably after New Years or maybe August after the DNC, but he's toast, even his own party wants him GONE, set out to pasture in an senior care center for invalids. If he talks nice to Trump, may there will be pardons for the crack head junkie tax felon and whomever else the Biden congressional colonoscopy investigation captures from the Biden crime family. One thing though, Joe did say the crack head  was the "smartest man he knows..." I suppose Hunter could be one of the most successful crackheads well. compared to the Kushners, Trump's family business empire, etc. LOL.

 

"Bidenomics":

 

 

 

[asf6]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

It's not up to Chine to decide. Taiwan has effectively been an independent country for decades. It's their call and theirs alone.

 

That's true to an extent. China has been consistent in saying that they want Taiwan to rejoin China peacefully and not by force, but that if Taiwan ever claims independence, China would take over Taiwan by force - there would be war. That's the Chinese line. All Taiwan has to do to prevent war is to keep to the status quo, remain an unofficial independent country and all will be fine. Keep it as it is now, don't declare independence and there will be no war and no takeover. 

[illisdean]

1 hour ago, charleskerins said:

Throw in pathological liar status, you got one super mega weak liar corrupt loser in the WH"  dt isn't in the WH  555  and Biden is way smarter than you or the orange whining bitch.,

https://time.com/5636715/biden-1988-presidential-campaign/#:~:text=The “final,trip to Europe

 

Biden and his lies have not gone unnoticed, and another good reason he's polling in the toilet against a vastly superior candidate in Trump. Voters don't want Biden, it should be obvious to even you.

In 1987 he got called out for ...u guessed it...plagiarism. LOL....what a loser. Had to drop out, end his campaign after only 3 months. Another great addition to the humiliating Biden legacy. And wait, the congress is going to investigate the living daylights out of the Bidens with their supercharged impeachment inquiry subpoena powers. The Biden legacy of failures and embarrassments. 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/why-joe-biden-first-campaign-200550221.html

 

Edited December 25, 2023 by illisdean

[charleskerins]

9 hours ago, illisdean said:

Biden is pretty dumb, and his vegetable brain has turned to mush and at the end of the day, the only people that are dumber than Biden are those that voted for him. Biden or whoever committed sedition, probably difficult for you to understand, but if you are referring to 14th, Sec 3, then giving aid and comfort to the ebemy is exactly what Biden HAS DONE. If you think about it, you might catch on. I am not trying to make you look stupid, as you seem to have that on full display here. Sorry for you, but go check the 14th and see how Biden has inculpated himself.

Irregardless, he is DOA for the ballot probably after New Years or maybe August after the DNC, but he's toast, even his own party wants him GONE, set out to pasture in an senior care center for invalids. If he talks nice to Trump, may there will be pardons for the crack head junkie tax felon and whomever else the Biden congressional colonoscopy investigation captures from the Biden crime family. One thing though, Joe did say the crack head  was the "smartest man he knows..." I suppose Hunter could be one of the most successful crackheads well. compared to the Kushners, Trump's family business empire, etc. LOL.

 

"Bidenomics":

 

3.7% unemployment ,4.95 GDP ,inflation decreasing  ,mortgage rates down  Biden Economics.    "pathological liar "   

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Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years

Seek therapy - you have been brainwashed -you need to be deprogrammed.You actually called Biden a pathological liar   -"accuse the other side of that which you are guilty"     Sad 

 

 

 

[gargamon]

On 12/24/2023 at 2:12 AM, Selatan said:

I know this as a fact because Hongkies look down on all other ethnic Chinese from anywhere, whether from the Mainland or from Southeast Asia

As they should. They had democracy and none of the mainland Chinese did. Clearly democracy trumps autocracy every day so they were correct. 

[gargamon]

21 hours ago, novacova said:

 Biden is an easy exploit, so of course Xi and anyone else will certainly execute an opportunity which has already been in play by advisors and international advisories. Poor fella is putty being pulled and pushed in every direction while asleep at the wheel.

Unlike Trump who was sucking Putin's d*ck every chance he got. 

[JonnyF]

Hardly surprising that Xi has no fear of Biden. The man can't even tie his own shoelaces. This is the problem with electing someone on the basis that they are not called Trump, you end up with a weak leader who gets no respect around the world. He is an international embarrassment for the once great, US of A.

 

China will do what they want, and Joe won't do anything apart from maybe tell some more of his special "made up" stories.

[2baht]

Bow to the Emperor (Xi) Ol' Wonky Joe!

[LosLobo]

48 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

.....you end up with a weak leader who gets no respect around the world. He is an international embarrassment for the once great, US of A.

You mean like Trump.........

 

6 times world leaders laughed at Trump - The Washington Post (archive.md)

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1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Hardly surprising that Xi has no fear of Biden. The man can't even tie his own shoelaces. This is the problem with electing someone on the basis that they are not called Trump, you end up with a weak leader who gets no respect around the world. He is an international embarrassment for the once great, US of A.

 

China will do what they want, and Joe won't do anything apart from maybe tell some more of his special "made up" stories.

Another party who clearly has no knowledge of the strong steps Biden has taken against China. Far stronger than anything undertaken by the previous administration.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Another party who clearly has no knowledge of the strong steps Biden has taken against China. Far stronger than anything undertaken by the previous administration.

 

A recent study on U.S.-China trade concludes that Trump’s trade policies cost the U.S. economy nearly a quarter million jobs.

 

https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/83746

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5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

A recent study on U.S.-China trade concludes that Trump’s trade policies cost the U.S. economy nearly a quarter million jobs.

 

https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/83746

Remember how Trump got China to purchase x amount of US goods? And how spectacularly that agreement flamed out?

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Remember how Trump got China to purchase x amount of US goods? And how spectacularly that agreement flamed out?

 

Almost none of it was purchased I believe. From the party that believes in free enterprise of course. They're all over the map on policy because they don't have stated policies, only political talking points aimed at the stoking the outrage machine.

Edited December 26, 2023 by ozimoron

[impulse]

2 hours ago, gargamon said:

Unlike Trump who was sucking Putin's d*ck every chance he got. 

Remind me... 

How much territory did Putin take with Obama at the wheel?

How much (so far) with Biden?

And how much did Putin take under the bad orange man?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, impulse said:

Remind me... 

How much territory did Putin take with Obama at the wheel?

How much (so far) with Biden?

And how much did Putin take under the bad orange man?

 

 

Did Russia withdraw in fear from various territories when Trump became president? Isn't it the case that Trump was unconvinced that Russia didn't have a right to invade Crimea? Isn't it a fact that Trump withheld aid authorized by law that was supposed to be sent to Ukraine. In fact he ignored Ukraine's entreaties for months. Only when Congress threatened to sue Trump, did he relent. And even then, lowlife that he is, he tried to sue that to instigate an investigation of his leading political opponent.

[illisdean]

4 hours ago, charleskerins said:

 

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Edited December 26, 2023 by illisdean