More than a third of US adults say Biden’s 2020 victory was not legitimate

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Can you please answer a simple yes or no question?

 

Do you honestly believe that Trump won the 2020 presidential election?

He won't answer.

 

None of the MAGA trolls will say more than they think something funny happened with the 2020 election.

[impulse]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Ever seen any proof the election was stolen?

 Here's a nicely compiled 32 page summary of 2020 election irregularities in 5 swing states.  Anonymously posted because the author probably doesn't want to be swatted (or worse).  But with 99 footnotes so you don't really need to know who compiled it.  You can follow the footnotes to their original source.

 

I'm not claiming it was stolen.  Just that it was definitely tainted.  By whom, and whether it actually changed the result, I doubt we'll ever really know.

 

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e0/e04e630c-63ff-4bdb-9652-e0be3598b5d4/summary20of20election20fraud20in20the20swing20states.pdf

 

 

 

[gargamon]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 Here's a nicely compiled 32 page summary of 2020 election irregularities in 5 swing states.  Anonymously posted because the author probably doesn't want to be swatted (or worse).  But with 99 footnotes so you don't really need to know who compiled it.  You can follow the footnotes to their original source.

 

I'm not claiming it was stolen.  Just that it was definitely tainted.  By whom, and whether it actually changed the result, I doubt we'll ever really know.

 

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e0/e04e630c-63ff-4bdb-9652-e0be3598b5d4/summary20of20election20fraud20in20the20swing20states.pdf

 

 

What a crock of sh*t. All long debunked. Giuliani or one of his grunts the likely originator. 

[Tug]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

That's a typical Dem view. They don't trust the voters to do the right thing.

 

So who's the real threat to democracy?

 

Call 'em deplorables, call em MAGA scum, call em whatever you want.  When 1/3 of voters don't trust the process (including Dems), you have a problem.

 

Hillary was normally much more careful about what she says but she did have pneumonia at the time that being said she is absolutely correct.just take a look at trump he’s despicable insults pows invites the enemy to the oval on the first day in office then trots (figuratively) down to Langley and insults the CIA in front of the wall of stars his administration went down hill from there so yup deplorables fits perfectly with the typical trump voter meanwhile he continues to undermine democracy and intimidates his minions to do Putin’s work we do indeed have a problem.thats why the DOJ is after him for his crimes!

[candide]

46 minutes ago, impulse said:

 Here's a nicely compiled 32 page summary of 2020 election irregularities in 5 swing states.  Anonymously posted because the author probably doesn't want to be swatted (or worse).  But with 99 footnotes so you don't really need to know who compiled it.  You can follow the footnotes to their original source.

 

I'm not claiming it was stolen.  Just that it was definitely tainted.  By whom, and whether it actually changed the result, I doubt we'll ever really know.

 

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e0/e04e630c-63ff-4bdb-9652-e0be3598b5d4/summary20of20election20fraud20in20the20swing20states.pdf

 

 

 

In other words, you have nothing.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, candide said:

In other words, you have nothing.

 

32 pages of nothing.

 

Lack of curiosity is not a virtue, BTW.

 

[impulse]

43 minutes ago, gargamon said:

What a crock of sh*t. All long debunked. Giuliani or one of his grunts the likely originator. 

 

You're confusing debunked with squelched.

 

32 pages with links to hours of reading and many hours of videos and you've determined that it was all debunked within 10 minutes of me posting the link?  

 

Lack of curiosity is not a virtue.  Unless you're a Dem.

 

Just out of my own curiosity, what part of the Wisconsin's use of illegal ballot boxes that were later found to be illegal by the Wisconsin Supreme Court was debunked?  (That's on p12).  Because I'm not seeing where the US Supreme Court overturned the WSC.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/08/politics/wisconsin-ballot-drop-boxes-supreme-court/index.html

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 Here's a nicely compiled 32 page summary of 2020 election irregularities in 5 swing states.  Anonymously posted because the author probably doesn't want to be swatted (or worse).  But with 99 footnotes so you don't really need to know who compiled it.  You can follow the footnotes to their original source.

 

I'm not claiming it was stolen.  Just that it was definitely tainted.  By whom, and whether it actually changed the result, I doubt we'll ever really know.

 

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e0/e04e630c-63ff-4bdb-9652-e0be3598b5d4/summary20of20election20fraud20in20the20swing20states.pdf

 

 

 

Anonymously posted because the author made it up, and then you decided to post it here despite the obvious fact that it is all completely unattributed nonsense.

 

But it ticked the box of telling you what it is you want to hear.

 

Shameless comes to mind.

[gargamon]

9 minutes ago, impulse said:

You're confusing debunked with squelched.

I think you're the one that's confused. Debunked, proven false in court, etc. etc.  

 

Just drink the Kool aid and get it over with. Stop trying to drag sane people down the rabbit hole you're obviously lost in. 

Edited January 3 by gargamon

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

32 pages of nothing.

 

Lack of curiosity is not a virtue, BTW.

 

Like who has time to read 32 pages of garbage assembled by someone who won’t even put their own name to it?

 

That’s not a lack of curiosity, it’s a short cut to avoiding the brown stuff that comes out he back r d of horses.

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, gargamon said:

I think you're the one that's confused. Debunked, proven false in court, etc. etc.  

 

Just drink the Kool aid and get it over with. 

 

You mean like the Wisconsin Supreme Court's finding that the ballot boxes installed by a unilateral decision from one election official were illegal?

 

The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled drop boxes are illegal under Wisconsin law,
in a 4-3 decision issued in July 2022.37

Wisconsin Election Commissioner Meagan Wolfe unilaterally declared ballot
drop boxes could be used to vote in 2020 elections, even though “WEC’s
commissioners never voted to adopt this memo.”

 

Because I don't think that's within the definition of "debunked".  Pretty much the opposite.  As indicated above, that's from P12.

 

Edited January 3 by impulse

[candide]

39 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

32 pages of nothing.

 

Lack of curiosity is not a virtue, BTW.

 

 

25 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You're confusing debunked with squelched.

 

32 pages with links to hours of reading and many hours of videos and you've determined that it was all debunked within 10 minutes of me posting the link?  

 

Lack of curiosity is not a virtue.  Unless you're a Dem.

 

Just out of my own curiosity, what part of the Wisconsin's use of illegal ballot boxes that were later found to be illegal by the Wisconsin Supreme Court was debunked?  (That's on p12).  Because I'm not seeing where the US Supreme Court overturned the WSC.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/08/politics/wisconsin-ballot-drop-boxes-supreme-court/index.html

 

 

 

Yes 32 pages of nothing. Strange that so much 'proof' has not been considered by courts! Deep State conspiracy anyone?

 

About your link, I did not see any proof of election rigging in the article. It's also interesting to note that, despite eliminating this 'fraud risk' (😃) before the 2022 elections, Wisconsin still elected Democrats as Governor, Secretary of State, and AG in 2022. It seems the GOP needs to make up something else! 😄 

[BritManToo]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Which compulsive liar are you referring to; Trump or Biden 

 

They're politicians, it's a job requirement.

I don't think it's fair to call Biden a serial liar, he clearly can't remember anything he said from 5 minutes ago.

Obviously he still has the 'sniffing little girls' problem.

[impulse]

Just now, BritManToo said:

I don't think it's fair to call Biden a serial liar, he clearly can't remember anything he said from 5 minutes ago.

Obviously he still has the 'sniffing little girls' problem.

 

Old habits die hard.

[Gecko123]

It's a cult. Truth is no longer important. You can only believe he who promises salvation. Study anything about the role propaganda played in the rise of the Third Reich, and you will see how the exact same tactics are being used today by Trump. Fox News and the right wing media eco-system have driven this narrative. Thank God the judicial system is standing up to these lies and valiantly working to hold him and his enablers to account.

 

Those refusing to accept the reality that the election was legitimate are doing so willfully. The only reason they are doing so is in the hopes that Trump will deliver on the false promise that by destroying democracy their interests will be placed above everyone else's. It's a blind, short-sighted dystopian vision of the future which will deliver the exact opposite of what it promises. To Trump's supporters: for God's sake, read your history before it's too late.

 

Edited January 3 by Gecko123

[OneMoreFarang]

8 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Thirty-six per cent say they do not accept Biden’s win.

 

I guess that means that 13% of the people with an IQ below average still think he won.

Ok, there is hope.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

7 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Ever seen any proof the election was stolen?

Don't try facts with those MAGA guys. It just doesn't work.

[impulse]

3 hours ago, candide said:

This is not a new problem!

 

But don't call them dumb! 555! 😆

 

Poll: 46 Percent Of Trump Voters Believe ‘Pizzagate’ Theory

https://dcist.com/story/16/12/28/poll/

 

Poll: 61 Percent of Trump Supporters Are Birthers

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/09/61-percent-of-trump-supporters-are-birthers.html

 

Great job digging up stuff from 2015 and 2016.  I was an anti-Trumper in 2015 and 2016.  I used to refer to The Donald as a "despicable human being"  Not any more.  (Still flawed...)  He's not the threat to democracy.

 

I guess you missed the part where the recent survey showed 9% of Dems and 34% of Independent voters have lost confidence in election integrity.  Significant increases from a poll done 2 years ago. 

 

That's tens of millions of voters who voted Biden in 2020.

 

Edited January 3 by impulse

[Woof999]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

If tens of million of voters though the election was tainted (notice that I didn't say "stolen"), it's pretty reasonable to think Trump also believes it.  And did back then...

 

You seem to have cause and effect reversed chronologically.

[Chomper Higgot]

41 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't think it's fair to call Biden a serial liar, he clearly can't remember anything he said from 5 minutes ago.

Obviously he still has the 'sniffing little girls' problem.

There is a sniffing problem, it’s widely reported the stench is oozing out of Trump.

 

[ballpoint]

Goes with the territory:

 

 

Conspiracy vs. Science: A Survey of U.S. Public Beliefs | Carsey School of Public Policy | UNH

[candide]

17 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Great job digging up stuff from 2015 and 2016.  I was an anti-Trumper in 2015 and 2016.  I used to refer to The Donald as a "despicable human being"  Not any more.  (Still flawed...)  He's not the threat to democracy.

 

I guess you missed the part where the recent survey showed 9% of Dems and 34% of Independent voters have lost confidence in election integrity.  Significant increases from a poll done 2 years ago. 

 

That's tens of millions of voters who voted Biden in 2020.

 

My old stuff shows that some people (around half of GOP voters) are ready to believe anything, included that Dems were raping kids and drinking their blood in the basement of a pizzeria without any basement. So the fact that they believe now that elections have been rigged doesn't mean much.

 

About the survey, which survey was it? I remember reading something like that, but the reason evoked by Democrats were not the same as by Republicans, like gerrymandering and voter suppression.

[cdemundo]

Easily explained.

How dumb is the average person?

Half the people are dumber than that.

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Great job digging up stuff from 2015 and 2016.  I was an anti-Trumper in 2015 and 2016.  I used to refer to The Donald as a "despicable human being"  Not any more.  (Still flawed...)  He's not the threat to democracy.

 

I guess you missed the part where the recent survey showed 9% of Dems and 34% of Independent voters have lost confidence in election integrity.  Significant increases from a poll done 2 years ago. 

 

That's tens of millions of voters who voted Biden in 2020.

 

It’s meaningless to state Democrat confidence in elections alongside of those of Republicans if no sense of why each group holds their views.

 

Democrats might reasonably question election integrity where Republican administrations have enacted gerrymandering policies targeting Democrat voters, while Republicans might, as an example, buy into fruitcake scribblings in an anonymously authored 32 page stack of nonsense.

I myself would like to be sure that the election returns submitted to Congress are signed off by real Electors and not by slates of fake electors returning fake results in a criminal conspiracy to override the vote and keep a stinking man child in office when the electorate have democratically voted him out.

 

Fortunately we don’t need to puzzle our heads over this, the courts have returned scores of rulings dismissing claims of election fraud and the DOJ is in the process of prosecuting those who actually attempted to overthrow the election.

 

It’s helpful that some of these anti democratic extremists signed their own names on fake elector documents and submitted them to Congress.

 

Their attempt to fraudulently overthrow the legitimate election result is a matter of Congressional Records with their own signatures appended.

 

So give up this gas lighting hs of yours.

 

And please print your 32 page anonymous dossier on softer paper, it might be then comfortably put to the only use it’s fit for, perhaps by Trump himself, I hear he has a problem in that area.

 

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Hillary was normally much more careful about what she says but she did have pneumonia at the time that being said she is absolutely correct.just take a look at trump he’s despicable insults pows invites the enemy to the oval on the first day in office then trots (figuratively) down to Langley and insults the CIA in front of the wall of stars his administration went down hill from there so yup deplorables fits perfectly with the typical trump voter meanwhile he continues to undermine democracy and intimidates his minions to do Putin’s work we do indeed have a problem.thats why the DOJ is after him for his crimes!

Trump is probably the most despicable public person alive today. Uncouth, uncivilised, narcissistic. And yet it seems like 1/3 of the population loves him and polls seem to indicate an overwhelming win in the 2024 election. Loosely, this translates to almost 50% of the population, seeing how the electoral college system works.

 

What does that say about the country and its people? America should really try to sort out its own issues instead of telling others what to do. She is arguably the biggest threat to democracy as what’s happening and happened is making a mockery of democracy for the world to see.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Trump is probably the most despicable public person alive today. Uncouth, uncivilised, narcissistic. And yet it seems like 1/3 of the population loves him and polls seem to indicate an overwhelming win in the 2024 election. Loosely, this translates to almost 50% of the population, seeing how the electoral college system works.

Remind me...

 

How many Israelis and Palestinians were killed under Trumps term?  How many Russkies and Ukes were dying?  What was the nuclear threat level?  How many illegals violated US sovereignty the year before he handed over the reins?  

 

Would you rather have peace and border security under a narcissist, or war all over the world and millions of illegals costing billions (trillions?) in tax money under a 2 faced lying politician?

 

You can judge a guy based on the words coming out of his mouth, or based on the results.  I know which I'd choose.

[Elkski]

Yes except for melania's illegal call girl "genius"  visa trump  was anti immigration so much that maybe numbers were down.  He stopped any hiring at understaffed immigration.   As an example he had his thai appointed ambassador basically stop any visa processing.  There was a class action court case win!  filed by over 100 couples whos K1 visas sat un worked on the East Coast for nearly a year because the thai office wasn't requesting new cases.   

I rather have this economy with record financial indexes, infrastructure improvements, all rime record USA oil production and No 2 trillion $ tax gifts for the wealthy or corporations. 

He may turn out to be the devil.  

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, impulse said:

Remind me...

 

How many Israelis and Palestinians were killed under Trumps term?  How many Russkies and Ukes were dying?  What was the nuclear threat level?  How many illegals violated US sovereignty the year before he handed over the reins?  

 

Would you rather have peace and border security under a narcissist, or war all over the world and millions of illegals costing billions (trillions?) in tax money under a 2 faced lying politician?

 

You can judge a guy based on the words coming out of his mouth, or based on the results.  I know which I'd choose.

So Biden ordered Putin to invade Ukraine and Hamas to go on a killing spree in Israel.

 

Who knew?!

 

 

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

 Here's a nicely compiled 32 page summary of 2020 election irregularities in 5 swing states.  Anonymously posted because the author probably doesn't want to be swatted (or worse).  But with 99 footnotes so you don't really need to know who compiled it.  You can follow the footnotes to their original source.

 

I'm not claiming it was stolen.  Just that it was definitely tainted.  By whom, and whether it actually changed the result, I doubt we'll ever really know.

 

https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e0/e04e630c-63ff-4bdb-9652-e0be3598b5d4/summary20of20election20fraud20in20the20swing20states.pdf

 

 

 

 

I said at the time there were a lot of red flags - I forgot there were so many.

 

No wonder Trump was pissed!

[Elkski]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So Biden ordered Putin to invade Ukraine and Hamas to go on a killing spree in Israel.

 

Who knew?!

 

 

Its actually quite easy to blame putins attack on trump on his a** kissing towards russia.