Would you buy a BYD EV?

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Nice that they warranty the body rust, how much do they have ?

 

None are old enough to rust yet I guess.

 

If GM Holden had tried that they would have gone broke in 5 years.

Edited January 5 by ozimoron

[JBChiangRai]

39 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

Fear of the unknown, from a group who by and large are older than average and therefore resistant to change.

 

I think the technical term is Luddite.

[NoDisplayName]

6 hours ago, DUNROAMIN said:

 

 

Awesome footage repurposed as propaganda!

 

This appears to be a movie set.

The car appears to be a RAV-4.

 

 

Thanks for playing.

 

 

From location of reflectors and license, appears to be a first generation  XA10.

 

 

But this model "only available with a 2.0-liter inline-four."

 

Maybe next time post footage of fields of abandoned EV's all over China, because the Chinese EV market is cratering...........'cause CCP.

Edited January 5 by NoDisplayName

[novacova]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Sadly, you will need an open mind to watch this video.

 

 

I have a very open mind. Though a very closed narrow mind of supporting the CCP by any measure.

[Gweiloman]

30 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Nice that they warranty the body rust, how much do they have ?

Probably none which is why the manufacturer is happy to warranty it.

[Gweiloman]

2 minutes ago, novacova said:

I have a very open mind. Though a very closed narrow mind of supporting the CCP by any measure.

That’s what I thought.

[G Rex]

I am a car tragic, with an unhealthy passion for performance vehicles and have had way too many V8s!  (mainly unhealthy for my bank balance)

I have little knowledge of EVs, and have looked scornfully at offerings such as the Mini Electric - with its ridiculous short range.

I looked at the BYD seal a few weeks ago - and I can honestly say that if I was in the market for a new car now, I would snap one of these up!

Cars are ridiculously expensive in Thailand - so the apparent quality of the Seal, with its decent range and high level of spec make it a decent option here in LOS.

It's a resounding Yes from me... 

Edited January 5 by G Rex

[Gweiloman]

36 minutes ago, G Rex said:

I am a car tragic, with an unhealthy passion for performance vehicles and have had way too many V8s!  (mainly unhealthy for my bank balance)

I have little knowledge of EVs, and have looked scornfully at offerings such as the Mini Electric - with its ridiculous short range.

I looked at the BYD seal a few weeks ago - and I can honestly say that if I was in the market for a new car now, I would snap one of these up!

Cars are ridiculously expensive in Thailand - so the apparent quality of the Seal, with its decent range and high level of spec make it a decent option here in LOS.

It's a resounding Yes from me... 

I’m really envious of those posters that have a Seal. Sadly, being a saloon/sedan, it’s not very practical for me as I have a few dogs and I also need the versatility of a SUV and hatchback. My Dolphin does 0-100 in 7 seconds and that’s plenty fast for me.

[Mr Meeseeks]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

None are old enough to rust yet I guess.

 

If GM Holden had tried that they would have gone broke in 5 years.

 

Still, they went broke eventually, as they could not keep up with changes and trends in their sole market of Australia/NZ.

 

The same will happen with some legacy brands as Chinese cars proliferate the market. 

 

There are some incredible Chinese cars coming, stuff like the BYD Seal and MG Cyberster are just the tip of the iceberg.

[quake]

EV, Nah. 

Going to run the car I got,  into the ground, 

Then see who has survived, and who is the winner of,  the my Tech is better than your Tech game.

That will be in 5-8 years time. 

 

 

 

Edited January 6 by quake

[BKKBike09]

17 hours ago, Bassosa said:

Yes I would buy a BYD.

I recently found out that similar irrational sentiments were prevalent in the 70s when the Japanese car manufacturers took over. Japanese cars were said to be no good, yet turned out to be better value, better quality than what the legacy US car makers could produce.

I think something similar is going on here with EVs from China in particular. Fear of the unknown, from a group who by and large are older than average and therefore resistant to change.

 

My father was highly resistant to buying a Japanese car in the 1970s. But then he had served in WW2 and we had a good family friend who spent 3 years in a Japanese POW camp. In his case it wasn't resistance to change: he just didn't feel comfortable buying Japanese. That did change.

 

I bought a BYD. With some misgivings about its Chinese origins, which I still have. The Chinese state is not a benign actor. It/the CCP is also very competent at indirect influence through channels such as funding of foreign-language media outlets, funding of academic institutions and posts etc. 

 

Personally I don't think anyone serving in a sensitive government or private sector role should buy a Chinese made car, whether EV or ICE, given the connectivity modern vehicles now have. Of course the electronics on any modern vehicle can be a vulnerability, but why make it any easier?

 

 

[Lacessit]

I would buy an EV if most of my travel was around town. For long trips, I would prefer an ICE due to range uncertainty, and the possibility of a breakdown. Not many EV mechanics out in the boondocks.

 

I am not sure insurance premiums for EV's will stay comparable with ICE's, because the consequential damage they can cause in the event of a fire is considerable.

There is also the fact any battery damage in an accident means the vehicle has to be scrapped.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I would buy an EV if most of my travel was around town. For long trips, I would prefer an ICE due to range uncertainty, and the possibility of a breakdown. Not many EV mechanics out in the boondocks.

 

I am not sure insurance premiums for EV's will stay comparable with ICE's, because the consequential damage they can cause in the event of a fire is considerable.

There is also the fact any battery damage in an accident means the vehicle has to be scrapped.

 

A couple of points, and I may well be wrong but here goes.

 

1. I don't remember ever having an ICE vehicle with a range of 500 Km like the BYD Atto 3 and many other EVs.

 

2. It's true but they will come. Just as farriers became tire fitters way back when. Most of the moving parts that are prone to breakdown are the same anyway.

 

3. I think that if any accident caused such frame distortion as to damage the battery, any car would be a write off.

[Gweiloman]

11 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

My father was highly resistant to buying a Japanese car in the 1970s. But then he had served in WW2 and we had a good family friend who spent 3 years in a Japanese POW camp. In his case it wasn't resistance to change: he just didn't feel comfortable buying Japanese. That did change.

 

I bought a BYD. With some misgivings about its Chinese origins, which I still have. The Chinese state is not a benign actor. It/the CCP is also very competent at indirect influence through channels such as funding of foreign-language media outlets, funding of academic institutions and posts etc. 

 

Personally I don't think anyone serving in a sensitive government or private sector role should buy a Chinese made car, whether EV or ICE, given the connectivity modern vehicles now have. Of course the electronics on any modern vehicle can be a vulnerability, but why make it any easier?

 

 

Interesting post. 
 

The Chinese government cannot match the West’s sophistication and reach when it comes to propaganda and funding. MSM, NGO’s like NED, think tanks all over the world. In OZ, the ASPI is US financed and advised by retired US generals. The Japanese committed horrendous war crimes during the 2nd WW and yet many westerners think the Chinese are evil even though they (Chinese) were more often than not the victims in many colonial expansions and imperialism. 99% of China haters have never even set foot in China nor do they know how the system of governance works. It’s based on meritocracy and elections, not populism and financing. Such is the power and reach of western propaganda.

 

Someone in a highly sensitive position is probably able to afford more expensive vehicles than the BYD Dolphin or MG. Fitting spying devices and then being able to identify which purchaser could be in possession of sensitive government information seems like an extremely inefficient way of collecting information covertly. Much like saying that Tik Tok is spying on the American public. 
 

In any case, bit by bit, the sentiment is changing. My childrens’ generation is much more open minded and travelling the world more and more and seeing for themselves the truth. The aging racists are dying out. China’s BRI is helping millions if not billions of people particularly in impoverished countries in Asia and Africa. China’s goal of multipolarity and common prosperity is resonating with many peoples of the world. No intelligent person seriously believes that China will militarily invade their country. It is very simply not in the DNA of Chinese culture over the past 2,000 years.

[Gweiloman]

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I would buy an EV if most of my travel was around town. For long trips, I would prefer an ICE due to range uncertainty, and the possibility of a breakdown. Not many EV mechanics out in the boondocks.

 

I am not sure insurance premiums for EV's will stay comparable with ICE's, because the consequential damage they can cause in the event of a fire is considerable.

There is also the fact any battery damage in an accident means the vehicle has to be scrapped.

 

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

A couple of points, and I may well be wrong but here goes.

 

1. I don't remember ever having an ICE vehicle with a range of 500 Km like the BYD Atto 3 and many other EVs.

 

2. It's true but they will come. Just as farriers became tire fitters way back when. Most of the moving parts that are prone to breakdown are the same anyway.

 

3. I think that if any accident caused such frame distortion as to damage the battery, any car would be a write off.

I think that ICE’s are still superior to EVs in term of range on a full tank/charge. In order to eke the full range out of an EV, you have to drive it gingerly whereas with an ICE, increasing the speed from 90 to 120 does not result in such a drastic drop in range. I think this is because an ICE is already inefficient to start with.

 

I think that ICEs are more prone to breakdowns just simply because there are more moving parts and therefore more areas where things can go wrong. An electric motor is a very simple device.

 

Accidents are common place in Thailand but in my opinion, they happen mostly to incompetent and irresponsible drivers. I consider myself a safe and defensive driver, able to identify hazards fairly quickly and take evasive action if necessary. Driven hundreds of thousands of kms in Thailand alone and have not been in any close calls. Furthermore if most of one’s driving is in the city and urban areas, any accident is more likely to be a fender bender than a write-off.

[Gweiloman]

41 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I would buy an EV if most of my travel was around town. For long trips, I would prefer an ICE due to range uncertainty, and the possibility of a breakdown. Not many EV mechanics out in the boondocks.

 

I am not sure insurance premiums for EV's will stay comparable with ICE's, because the consequential damage they can cause in the event of a fire is considerable.

There is also the fact any battery damage in an accident means the vehicle has to be scrapped.

One comment about EV mechanics out in the boondocks. Since I had my PHEV, I’ve had 4 routine services. The first was a 1,000 service done at my dealer in CM. 10,000km done in Hua Hin. 20k done in Hatyai and the most recent 30k (couple of days ago) in Ubon Ratchathani. That’s the GWM network. BYD and MD  has even bigger networks across the country. Not many places in Thailand where you would be stranded.

Edited January 6 by Gweiloman

[Lacessit]

20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

A couple of points, and I may well be wrong but here goes.

 

1. I don't remember ever having an ICE vehicle with a range of 500 Km like the BYD Atto 3 and many other EVs.

 

2. It's true but they will come. Just as farriers became tire fitters way back when. Most of the moving parts that are prone to breakdown are the same anyway.

 

3. I think that if any accident caused such frame distortion as to damage the battery, any car would be a write off.

The range on my Vios is about 600 km. My point really is it's much easier to refuel an ICE than an EV in isolated areas.

Yes, they will come. I see no reason to be a lab rat in the interim.

EV's vary in quality of construction. Apparently there is one EV where the battery cover is also the floor of the vehicle.

I understand big repair shops have equipment for straightening a chassis, although the same may not apply to monocoque bodies.

 

 

[KhunLA]

34 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The range on my Vios is about 600 km. My point really is it's much easier to refuel an ICE than an EV in isolated areas.

Yes, they will come. I see no reason to be a lab rat in the interim.

EV's vary in quality of construction. Apparently there is one EV where the battery cover is also the floor of the vehicle.

I understand big repair shops have equipment for straightening a chassis, although the same may not apply to monocoque bodies.

Also had Vios, tough not sure about squeezing 600 kms out of it, though definitely 500+ kms. 👍 but the worst new car I've owned here.  Performed well, as expected, just the ride on the highway was terribly loud (road noise).  Since half my kms are 'on the road', not pleasant at all.

 

Don't think any EV drivers are going to get stranded in TH, or need to detour to charge, unless in the most rural of areas, and only one I notice that might have a problem, is Umphang, if going to the falls.   Although with regen, so probably nothing to worry about.  Though charging at any guesthouse would be a deciding factor to stay ... 

 

The CS network really is extensive in TH, so kudos for that.  And apparently inexpensive to those that cry about rates in UK & USA.

 

600 kms if able to average 80 kph, is 7.5 hrs.  I really do welcome our stops after 3+ hrs on TH's roads, if we can even manage a 3 hr stretch without stopping.   Not saying I haven't driven 500 kms in our Vios when having, 15-20 yrs ago, but did stop a few time, since with wife & kid.  Simply impossible not to.

 

The additional time to charge, while stopping, really wouldn't add that much time to the overall journey.   Now, I actually plan to do research on phone while there/stopped, and rarely waited for the charging to finish before leaving.  Usually the opposite of late.  Charging is done first.

 

ICEV have their place for those driver's who have to be there, ASAP, with no interest to peek at things along the way.  Or if time restrained, and or, time is money.   No EV owners dispute that.

 

As a truck driving, days past, I've done 16-20 hrs at a stretch with minimal stop, and simply P'ing on the side of the road.  Also done the same trips (Philly PA, USA - S. Florida), non working, and at much leisurely pace, though didn't overnight.   Stopping to rest, eat, a bit of fun, & wife driving also, made that possible.

Edited January 6 by KhunLA

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

A couple of points, and I may well be wrong but here goes.

 

1. I don't remember ever having an ICE vehicle with a range of 500 Km like the BYD Atto 3 and many other EVs.

 

2. It's true but they will come. Just as farriers became tire fitters way back when. Most of the moving parts that are prone to breakdown are the same anyway.

 

3. I think that if any accident caused such frame distortion as to damage the battery, any car would be a write off.

 

My 4-cyl 2000 model Chevy S-10 pickup had a (converting to funky metrical numbers) 75-liter fuel tank with a driving range well over 500 km.  I would expect fuel efficiency has progressed somewhat over the past quarter century.

[NoDisplayName]

Further back, my 1981 Honda Prelude with a 50?-liter tank (13.2 gallons at 35mpg) had a range of about 750km. 

[Liverpool Lou]

22 hours ago, UWEB said:

rather than a overpriced Tesla from this Musk Idiot.

Musk is an "Idiot"?   Based on what?

[retarius]

I'm not a fan of EV at the moment preferring to wait and see and too wait until the prices tumble as they do with all new technologies where there is intense competition. For the moment I think it is a hoax on mankind, a cop out on the hard decisions that need to be made about climate change (assuming climate change is not a hoax as well, and I thin the jury is out on that as well), and of course it affords a great opportunity for governments to reward their friends and donors by subsidising billionaires with tax payer's money.

 

Also, I note that in the US and UK, EVs lost market share marginally last year, despite a rising car market and despite actually selling more cars that the year before, which is sending a shiver up the analysts who have been forecasting everlasting EV growth well into eternity. Losing market share this early in the products life cycle in key markets must be a worry, and whether it reflects dissatisfaction with EVs by previous purchasers or not, was not covered in the reports.

 

Having said that, if I were to buy an EV, BYD would be my choice of EV. The reason is that, unlike most people I read on ASEAN NOW forums, I am not anti-China. Indeed I am pro-China. 

 

I think that the BYD small SUV (the one that looks like a Porshe Cayenne from the back) is to my mind, by far and away the most stylish of all EV vehicles. Teslas look out of proportion to my eye (too tall and not wide enough, at least the one's I've seen on the roads here), and they have an incredibly poor record of owner complaints (at least the data I have seen for the US, I have seen none for Thailand) and I'm sure the servicing of manufacturing defects in Thailand is poor quality.

 

The other climate saving vehicle I would consider is a Hybrid from Toyota. I rented a Hybrid in the UK for a a few months when I was there.....it got 80 mpg, which astonished me. I doubt running costs of EVs would be lower that that of a hybrid, given the extricate price of electricity here,  but doubtless there are some cheerleaders on here would tell me I am wrong.

[retarius]

20 hours ago, novacova said:

I have a very open mind. Though a very closed narrow mind of supporting the CCP by any measure.

Not many open minds on these forums. 

[fondue zoo]

 

This article is not correct, that is the new Flight Mode being demonstrated.

[retarius]

3 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

My father was highly resistant to buying a Japanese car in the 1970s. But then he had served in WW2 and we had a good family friend who spent 3 years in a Japanese POW camp. In his case it wasn't resistance to change: he just didn't feel comfortable buying Japanese. That did change.

 

I bought a BYD. With some misgivings about its Chinese origins, which I still have. The Chinese state is not a benign actor. It/the CCP is also very competent at indirect influence through channels such as funding of foreign-language media outlets, funding of academic institutions and posts etc. 

 

Personally I don't think anyone serving in a sensitive government or private sector role should buy a Chinese made car, whether EV or ICE, given the connectivity modern vehicles now have. Of course the electronics on any modern vehicle can be a vulnerability, but why make it any easier?

 

 

I wonder what the Chinese have actually done to you? Physically or economically? Or is your attitude based on all the western propaganda you have imbibed to prepare for the inevitable war with them and the US?

[BKKBike09]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Accidents are common place in Thailand but in my opinion, they happen mostly to incompetent and irresponsible drivers. I consider myself a safe and defensive driver, able to identify hazards fairly quickly and take evasive action if necessary. Driven hundreds of thousands of kms in Thailand alone and have not been in any close calls. Furthermore if most of one’s driving is in the city and urban areas, any accident is more likely to be a fender bender than a write-off.

 

City / urban use often includes expressway driving, where speeds are much higher. You can be the safest and most defensive driver around but if the guy behind you is half asleep and doesn't see that there's a queue at the off-ramp, and the cars ahead are slowing to a stop ...

 

Speaking after some dozy tw@t rear-ended my Atto a week ago in the circumstances above. That however resulted in ATTO - 1: Innova - 0; his car cracked its radiator. The bulbous rear end of the Atto is probably a good thing. It took a beating but - fingers crossed - it's just panel damage. Car still drives fine and not throwing any warning messages etc.

 

 

[BKKBike09]

10 minutes ago, retarius said:

I wonder what the Chinese have actually done to you? Physically or economically? Or is your attitude based on all the western propaganda you have imbibed to prepare for the inevitable war with them and the US?

 

My attitude is based on substantive professional experience of how the Chinese State operates.  

[sirineou]

Another variation of the " would you buy an electric car"  with a nonsensical OP question.

I think this forum is running out of ideas as to what to talk about. It is really becoming very boring 

   "Would you buy a BYD EV? " why not ? is it worsts than other electric cars?  As far as electric cars go it looks to me to be a good product. 

but as I said this not really  a comparison of BYD against other EVs but rather a rehash of all the old argument against  and for EV's .

So a BYD caught fire, big deal , as if other EVs and ICE cars don't catch fire.

 

[retarius]

5 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

My attitude is based on substantive professional experience of how the Chinese State operates.  

And what way is that.....don't tell us all you were in Uighur camp building BYDs. Tell guys what this substantive experience is or shut up. 

[Gweiloman]

19 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

City / urban use often includes expressway driving, where speeds are much higher. You can be the safest and most defensive driver around but if the guy behind you is half asleep and doesn't see that there's a queue at the off-ramp, and the cars ahead are slowing to a stop ...

 

Speaking after some dozy tw@t rear-ended my Atto a week ago in the circumstances above. That however resulted in ATTO - 1: Innova - 0; his car cracked its radiator. The bulbous rear end of the Atto is probably a good thing. It took a beating but - fingers crossed - it's just panel damage. Car still drives fine and not throwing any warning messages etc.

 

 

Yes, without doubt, there are instances where there is absolutely nothing you can do like when you are stopped at the lights and someone rear ends you. But these are very rare events when you consider how many cars are stopped at a traffic light at any given moment in time.

 

This is another good reason to own an EV. A lot of them come with safety features to apply emergency braking in such situations. Possibly, if that dozy <deleted> had an EV, he/she might not have hit your car.