Judges skeptical of Trump’s presidential immunity arguments in election interference case

[CharlieH]

 

A federal appeals court on Tuesday signaled it would reject Donald Trump’s arguments that he cannot be criminally prosecuted for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results because it involved actions he took while president, questioning such an expansive view of executive power.

The three-judge panel at the US court of appeals for the DC circuit expressed particular skepticism with the position that he had absolute immunity from prosecution as Trump, attending in person, looked on.

 

“I think it is paradoxical to say that his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed allows him to violate criminal law,” the circuit judge Karen Henderson, a George HW Bush appointee, told Trump’s lawyer John Sauer during the roughly 90-minute hearing in Washington.

 

Last year, Trump filed a motion to dismiss the federal indictment brought by the special counsel Jack Smith, which charged the former president with seeking to reverse the 2020 election, including by advancing fake slates of electors and obstructing Congress on 6 January 2021.

The motion was rejected by the trial judge, prompting Trump to appeal to the DC circuit. The special counsel sought to bypass the potentially lengthy appeals process by asking the US supreme court to directly intervene, but the nation’s highest court returned the case to the appeals court.

Trump’s lawyer John Sauer received a cold response at the DC circuit and was even forced into conceding that presidents did not in fact have absolute immunity, after he acknowledged that presidents who were convicted in impeachment trials could be prosecuted.

 

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[Chomper Higgot]

He’s grasping at straws.

 

During one of his indictments he argued that if he had broken the law that was a matter for the courts  not Congress.

 

Well Donny here we are already.

[bendejo]

It's all about stalling. 

There is a choice bit in there where one of the judges cuts the lawyer's prattle by telling him it was a yes/no question.

 

[Tug]

Your wealth and status as an ex president aren’t going to let you get away with trying to steal the presidency trump you are not above the law,but it’s certainly harder for the law to be applied because of your status as an ex president get her done!jack smith!!

[bendejo]

Yeah, wealth.  He says he's a billionaire, but he keeps asking people to send him money.  He's getting a few million $ a week from his scenes outside of the courtrooms.  How do his donors square that? 

 

[impulse]

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

[Tug]

57 minutes ago, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

Oh boy thanks for the laugh you should be a comedian!

[impulse]

Just now, Tug said:

Oh boy thanks for the laugh you should be a comedian!

 

Can't refute the argument, so attack the person.

 

Lefty playbook...  Page 1.

 

 

[Tug]

Just now, impulse said:

 

Can't refute the argument, so attack the person.

 

Lefty playbook...  Page 1.

 

 

Ho ho another zinger!!

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

Please cite any legal statutes that Biden nay have broken.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

Wow. You have assimilated your talking points well.

 

Unfortunately, your talking point is worthless: the system has assumed that Presidents are liable for prosecution for 200+ years. The idea that Presidents are immune is new.

[Morch]

53 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Can't refute the argument, so attack the person.

 

Lefty playbook...  Page 1.

 

 

 

You've obviously failed to notice all them personal attacks made by Trump supporters on here.

Maybe they are 'fake' Trump supporters, though.

[Danderman123]

Trump's lawyers screwed the pooch in court yesterday.

 

You will notice that zero Trump supporters here have supported Trump's position that presidents are immune from prosecution.

[ozimoron]

If the appeal is dismissed I think the SC will refuse to hear the case.

[gargamon]

29 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

If the appeal is dismissed I think the SC will refuse to hear the case.

And very quickly. 

[ozimoron]

The problem with the appeals court sending this back to the lower court is that the circle begins again. That decision will itself be appealed and then on to the SC.

[Danderman123]

This particular motion has almost zero chance of being anything other than a time waster.

[placeholder]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

He's taking his cue from Trump. As I read somewhere this approach can be summarized as "I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." It can be cute when little kids say it. Not so much in the case of an adult.

[still kicking]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Please cite any legal statutes that Biden nay have broken.

He can't 

[scottiejohn]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

He's taking his cue from Trump. As I read somewhere this approach can be summarized as "I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." It can be cute when little kids say it. Not so much in the case of an adult.

Trump may be classified as an adult in legal terms but he is just a little crybaby screaming that someone stole his election/Presidency!

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Trump may be classified as an adult in legal terms but he is just a little crybaby screaming that someone stole his election/Presidency!

He's got lots of company.

 

CNN Poll: Percentage of Republicans who think Biden’s 2020 win was illegitimate ticks back up near 70%

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/03/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-think-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html

[impulse]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Please cite any legal statutes that Biden nay have broken.

 

Won't that be for a court to decide?

 

In any case, here's a good start... 

 

https://www.gop.gov/bidenimpeachmentinquiry/

 

Keep in mind, that immunity isn't just criminal.  It's also civil.  Can you imagine how many people have been (and will be) harmed by illegals let in by Joe?  If they all sued, he'd be fighting cases for decades.  Or the service members' families suing him for his Afghanistan decision?  Or...  Or...

The short sightedness of the Dems comes from them never considering that it may happen to their guy, if they open that door.  But their TDS blinds them.

 

[Danderman123]

18 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Won't that be for a court to decide?

 

In any case, here's a good start... 

 

https://www.gop.gov/bidenimpeachmentinquiry/

 

Keep in mind, that immunity isn't just criminal.  It's also civil.  Can you imagine how many people have been (and will be) harmed by illegals let in by Joe?  If they all sued, he'd be fighting cases for decades.  Or the service members' families suing him for his Afghanistan decision?  Or...  Or...

The short sightedness of the Dems comes from them never considering that it may happen to their guy, if they open that door.  But their TDS blinds them.

 

You can do us all a favor and pick out any legal statutes that Joe Biden may have committed that are mentioned in the impeachment inquiry.

 

Or, you can admit that there aren't any.

[ozimoron]

21 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Won't that be for a court to decide?

 

In any case, here's a good start... 

 

https://www.gop.gov/bidenimpeachmentinquiry/

 

Keep in mind, that immunity isn't just criminal.  It's also civil.  Can you imagine how many people have been (and will be) harmed by illegals let in by Joe?  If they all sued, he'd be fighting cases for decades.  Or the service members' families suing him for his Afghanistan decision?  Or...  Or...

The short sightedness of the Dems comes from them never considering that it may happen to their guy, if they open that door.  But their TDS blinds them.

 

 

Not until after his term finished at the very least.

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

Your argument is hereby refuted.

 

Presidents don't currently have immunity. 

 

Trump is asking that the Supreme Court give him immunity that never existed before.

 

I would ask you if you agree with Trump, but you haven't been given talking points about that yet.

[ozimoron]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

Biden better start sweating bullets if he's not immune to prosecution for all his illegal acts while president. The border comes to mind, as well as student loan forgiveness.  Obama, too.  Not to mention W.

 

In fact, any president will have to worry about going to jail if they decide to take out a foreign terrorist, test the limits of any Supreme Court decision, or any one of 1000's of decisions that make while in office.

 

Be careful what you wish for...

 

 

Currently, Biden does have immunity. On January 22, 2025 he will not have immunity from either.

[Danderman123]

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Currently, Biden does have immunity. On January 22, 2025 he will not have immunity from either.

Biden doesn't have immunity.

 

What he does have is protection from DOJ indictment while in office.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Won't that be for a court to decide?

 

In any case, here's a good start... 

 

https://www.gop.gov/bidenimpeachmentinquiry/

 

Keep in mind, that immunity isn't just criminal.  It's also civil.  Can you imagine how many people have been (and will be) harmed by illegals let in by Joe?  If they all sued, he'd be fighting cases for decades.  Or the service members' families suing him for his Afghanistan decision?  Or...  Or...

The short sightedness of the Dems comes from them never considering that it may happen to their guy, if they open that door.  But their TDS blinds them.

 

Well then if Joe Biden is (letting in)all the illegals don’t you think the republican majority congress would be legislating up a storm to try to stem the flow???….what they did a dog and pony show at the border after a prolonged Xmas vacation…….meh…….

[Tug]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

He's taking his cue from Trump. As I read somewhere this approach can be summarized as "I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." It can be cute when little kids say it. Not so much in the case of an adult.

Spot on imo his whole spiel could be summed up by what most of us experienced  /learned playing with other kids by the time we were 12 years old.he certainly has tantrums and complains like an Uber spoiled teenager 

[Danderman123]

For the record, Trump argued at his impeachment trial that if he weren't impeached, he could be criminally prosecuted.

 

Game, set, match.