natway09 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 At the very least give the sailors some hand grenades for the boats that come close 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted January 11 Popular Post Share Posted January 11 8 hours ago, Morch said: Only if you promise not to whine afterwards about civilian casualties, massacres, slaughter, genocide and so on.... Nah. My whining about genocide is usually confined to complaints about the Chinese, the Israelis, and the Russians. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted January 11 Popular Post Share Posted January 11 8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Here we go again. Does the west never learn that wars in the Middle east are never a good idea? They just extracted themselves from Afghanistan and want to get into another intractable problem war. Stupidity writ large. Save us from politicians. so your suggestion is.......? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 11 Popular Post Share Posted January 11 With all this warning to the world lets just get on and do it before Houthis hides too much of its arsenal. Sunak authorises British airstrikes against Houthi rebels in Red Sea One Whitehall source said the US-led response would be limited but significant, and was likely to involve British aircraft such as Typhoons based at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus. The co-ordinated strikes are expected to be similar in scale to those launched in April 2018 by the US, UK and France against President Assad’s Syrian chemical weapons facilities. They involved planes and missiles launched from ships against targets on land. Sunak told President Sisi of Egypt, a key ally in the region, that Britain would “continue to take action to defend freedom of navigation and protect lives at sea”. https://archive.ph/CAccZ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red-sea-rishi-sunak-cabinet-military-action-uk-us-houthis-5jt8vfjlv 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: With all this warning to the world lets just get on and do it before Houthis hides too much of its arsenal. Sunak authorises British airstrikes against Houthi rebels in Red Sea One Whitehall source said the US-led response would be limited but significant, and was likely to involve British aircraft such as Typhoons based at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus. The co-ordinated strikes are expected to be similar in scale to those launched in April 2018 by the US, UK and France against President Assad’s Syrian chemical weapons facilities. They involved planes and missiles launched from ships against targets on land. Sunak told President Sisi of Egypt, a key ally in the region, that Britain would “continue to take action to defend freedom of navigation and protect lives at sea”. https://archive.ph/CAccZ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red-sea-rishi-sunak-cabinet-military-action-uk-us-houthis-5jt8vfjlv They did it hope everyone returned safely and they clobbered them! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 Now the handwringing about Houthi casualties will start. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 The UK should have nothing to do with the US until Biden is removed from power. Certainly not in terms of joint military action. He has done nothing but undermine British sovereignty since he became POTUS. Maybe "Oirish Joe" can call Varadkar and get him to help seeing as he loves the Irish so much. 5 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 36 minutes ago, JonnyF said: The UK should have nothing to do with the US until Biden is removed from power. Certainly not in terms of joint military action. He has done nothing but undermine British sovereignty since he became POTUS. Maybe "Oirish Joe" can call Varadkar and get him to help seeing as he loves the Irish so much. What has President Biden done to undermine British Sovereignty? Give it your best shot Jonny. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Georgealbert Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Here we go again. Does the west never learn that wars in the Middle east are never a good idea? They just extracted themselves from Afghanistan and want to get into another intractable problem war. Stupidity writ large. Save us from politicians. Another day, another rant. Do you just troll this forum to see how much BS you can post every day. So you defend Gaza, Hamas, when it is under attack, but if the pro Gaza, Houthi, launch an attack against foreign Navy's or civilians, you blame the defenders. Your only consistency is inconsistency. Again you prove your in an empty echo chamber and only hear yourself and your views. You ignore everyone so are ignorant of any reality. 2 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: The UK should have nothing to do with the US until Biden is removed from power. Certainly not in terms of joint military action. He has done nothing but undermine British sovereignty since he became POTUS. Maybe "Oirish Joe" can call Varadkar and get him to help seeing as he loves the Irish so much. An "interesting" foreign policy strategy. Having alienated our geographically closest allies, you suggest that we should now alienate our most powerful diplomatic, economic and military ally. Are we trying to emulate North Korea or are we going 'all in' and aiming to be Cambodia circa 1975? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, JonnyF said: We'll get the trade deal with the US as soon as Trump is re-elected. Be sure to let me know when the EU gets one . Democrats like Obama and Biden were always anti British sovereignty, same as you are. Biden especially has done his best to undermine Brexit (Obama actually helped to get it over the line - thanks Barack!) but he's a senile old man and won't be in power much longer. Then he'll be free to pretend to be Irish as much as he likes. Alternatively, you were lied to and you swallowed the lies. Those ‘warm sunlit uplands’ are a just over the horizon, keep the faith Jonny, keep the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 5 minutes ago, RayC said: An "interesting" foreign policy strategy. Having alienated our geographically closest allies, you suggest that we should now alienate our most powerful diplomatic, economic and military ally. Are we trying to emulate North Korea or are we going 'all in' and aiming to be Cambodia circa 1975? Only until Biden has gone. If he wants to undermine our sovereign decisions I would advocate refusing military co-operation. My response would be simple. "Let's go Brandon". 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JonnyF said: We'll get the trade deal with the US as soon as Trump is re-elected. Be sure to let me know when the EU gets one . Democrats like Obama and Biden were always anti British sovereignty, same as you are. Biden especially has done his best to undermine Brexit (Obama actually helped to get it over the line - thanks Barack!) but he's a senile old man and won't be in power much longer. Then he'll be free to pretend to be Irish as much as he likes. In what seems like an ever changing world, there are some things which remain constant. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1ZQ114/ A meaningful UK - US trade deal any time soon? No, I don't think so, no matter who ends up in the White House. Edited January 12 by RayC Missing words added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, JonnyF said: Only until Biden has gone. If he wants to undermine our sovereign decisions I would advocate refusing military co-operation. My response would be simple. "Let's go Brandon". Biden has not undermined any British sovereign decisions. The UK made a mistake and the consequences are coming home to roost, it’s not Biden’s fault, it’s nobody’s fault beyond those who lied to you and those who swallowed the lies. Personal responsibility and all that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 13 hours ago, charleskerins said: Apparently they are involved Indeed. But my post was about 'directly' involved, and in reply to some end-of-days, WWIII comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 12 hours ago, BusyB said: The ME right now reminds me a little of the Balkans before WW1. That doesn't mean things have to go down like they did in 1914, but it is a splintered, feuding and instable region with numerous small countries and fiefdoms. Outside major powers are circling and vying for advantage, all with any number of official and especially unofficial alliances and clan treaties. Even the regional religion is split into two hostile factions. It is a bit of a tinderbox indeed. Maybe not a good idea to play with tinderboxes in the ME. All that oil..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 11 hours ago, natway09 said: At the very least give the sailors some hand grenades for the boats that come close Without proper training, they'd either be ineffective, hurt themselves, or piss off the attackers even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 11 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Nah. My whining about genocide is usually confined to complaints about the Chinese, the Israelis, and the Russians. At least you do not fear to openly admit your biased opinions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: The UK should have nothing to do with the US until Biden is removed from power. Certainly not in terms of joint military action. He has done nothing but undermine British sovereignty since he became POTUS. Maybe "Oirish Joe" can call Varadkar and get him to help seeing as he loves the Irish so much. The Houthis hijack ships. Some posters hijack topics. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 4 minutes ago, Morch said: The Houthis hijack ships. Some posters hijack topics. The topic is about UK-US co-operation. Personally I think the UK should steer clear of any more military adventures with the US. I have held this opinion ever since Blair teamed up with Bush with his illegal war following the WMD lies. I am concerned Sunak will lose more British lives by joining in America's war mongering. Leave Biden to it. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 4 minutes ago, JonnyF said: The topic is about UK-US co-operation. Personally I think the UK should steer clear of any more military adventures with the US. I have held this opinion ever since Blair teamed up with Bush with his illegal war following the WMD lies. I am concerned Sunak will lose more British lives by joining in America's war mongering. Leave Biden to it. Indeed. And this sort of cooperation would have happened under any respective government. You're just trying to hijack the topic, in order to push your anti-Biden agenda, nothing more. 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeworld Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 21 hours ago, charleskerins said: Dear Mr Joe Biden wait a while closer to election then geT the US Navy to destroy them ,have a press conference - we need them to die to save Democracy. More like the Houthis are interfering with G7 economics and money making avenues (read national security) Edited January 12 by freeworld 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 20 hours ago, charleskerins said: there are surgical strikes LOL. The Houthis are in home territory, it's a large country, and "surgical strikes" only work if the target doesn't keep moving around. Yemen isn't like Gaza where the opposition knows everything going on as it happens. They will be aware of surveillance flights/ satellites, and will be on the lookout for special forces. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. The Houthis are in home territory, it's a large country, and "surgical strikes" only work if the target doesn't keep moving around. Yemen isn't like Gaza where the opposition knows everything going on as it happens. They will be aware of surveillance flights/ satellites, and will be on the lookout for special forces. @thaibeachlovers The Military Expert Has Spoken. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 20 hours ago, Morch said: @thaibeachlovers Being the strategic genius that you are, how would you tackle the fact that this group is disrupting international maritime commerce? Given that you asked- the Houthis have said they are only targeting israeli linked vessels, so unless they prove that isn't true, I'd tell any shipping company with israeli contacts to take the long way around Africa and let the rest carry on through Suez. Given the apparent lack of enthusiasm by other countries to join in the naval fun, I suspect they ain't buying the US claims of imminent disaster if the Houthis are left un invaded. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: You're entitled to your opinion. No doubt you think we'd have had one if we'd have stayed in the EU . The EU would like a trade deal with the US. However, unlike the UK it doesn't need one and it certainly doesn't need to accept a US-dictated 'take it or leave it' deal, which is the most that the UK can hope for. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Given that you asked- the Houthis have said they are only targeting israeli linked vessels, so unless they prove that isn't true, I'd tell any shipping company with israeli contacts to take the long way around Africa and let the rest carry on through Suez. Given the apparent lack of enthusiasm by other countries to join in the naval fun, I suspect they ain't buying the US claims of imminent disaster if the Houthis are left un invaded. How wrong you are on both counts @thaibeachlovers This is not just about the US and UK playing in the naval fun, perhaps read the full topic next time: "UK, US, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, South Korea and Singapore, who launched "Operation Prosperity Guardian" last month to protect Red Sea shipping." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said: Given that you asked- the Houthis have said they are only targeting israeli linked vessels, so unless they prove that isn't true, I'd tell any shipping company with israeli contacts to take the long way around Africa and let the rest carry on through Suez. Given the apparent lack of enthusiasm by other countries to join in the naval fun, I suspect they ain't buying the US claims of imminent disaster if the Houthis are left un invaded. @thaibeachlovers It's funny how you sometimes claim you 'ignore' posters, then reply to them. About as consistent as your reasoning and grasp of facts. The Houthis claim things, you take their word for it, despite shipping companies and Western governments saying otherwise. That's nice. Also, what you're basically suggesting is to accept a situation in which whenever the Houthis feel like, they are at liberty to block international maritime trade, in international waters. You 'accept' this because it suits your political stance vs. Israel. If it was a different situation, I'm pretty sure you'd claim otherwise. As for 'lack of enthusiasm', there are several countries involved, not all with military assets in the region. Given that so far things have not got out of hand, it's an appropriate scope. If the Houthis push things further, other countries will join in or add to the diplomatic pressure applied. As for your last bit - I don't think anyone but you really envisages an 'invasion'. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. The Houthis are in home territory, it's a large country, and "surgical strikes" only work if the target doesn't keep moving around. Yemen isn't like Gaza where the opposition knows everything going on as it happens. They will be aware of surveillance flights/ satellites, and will be on the lookout for special forces. Never let it be said that you allow facts to get in the way of your opinion. I'm no military strategist but this map suggests to me that it won't be that easy for the Houthis to simply move around Yemen as they see fit. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-67952029?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65a098d2a860e05c542a298e%26Map showing Houthi-controlled territory%262024-01-12T02%3A53%3A57.314Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:2bc0b6d9-7e0f-4d71-9716-badfcfb27cb2&pinned_post_asset_id=65a098d2a860e05c542a298e&pinned_post_type=share 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post metisdead Posted January 12 Popular Post Share Posted January 12 (edited) Off topic deflection posts and replies about Brexit and the European economy contravening our Community Standards have been removed, please remember this topic is about: US and UK hint at military action after largest Houthi attack in Red Sea A post with unattributed content contravening our Community Standards has been removed, please provide a link to the source of information when posting. Edited January 12 by metisdead 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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