US and UK hint at military action after largest Houthi attack in Red Sea

[Seppius]

US forces were aided by the UK, Australia, Bahrain, Canada and the Netherlands

 

[charleskerins]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh you mean President Biden has held the UK to the treaties the UK signed and for which the U.S. is a Guarantor Signatory - The cad!

 

And he’s gone further, he has prioritized trade and cooperation with Europe over that with the  very much smaller UK economy - The utter scoundrel.

 

Perhaps someone lied to you when they told you the UK would leave the EU and and get a trade deal from the U.S.

 

The US has not done anything to UK sovereignty beyond reminding the UK it’s a minor player on the world stage, a choice of the UK’s own making.

 

Refer ‘Project Fear’ for the warnings you were given that this would be the case. 
 

 

Johnny F deals in BS  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O'Neill_(columnist)     This is the guy that "educates" him  he's pretty confused.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

so your suggestion is.......?

I already gave that.

[Rimmer]

Off topic posts removed the topic is as follows:

 

US and UK hint at military action after largest Houthi attack in Red Sea

[Georgealbert]

https://news.sky.com/story/middle-east-crisis-explosions-heard-in-sanaa-as-strikes-launched-against-houthis-linked-targets-13045848

[Hawaiian]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

With attitudes like that is it any wonder middle east communities want to kill western people?

The Saudis have been at it for a few years and gave up because of the costs.  Now they are waiting for someone else to do it.  Isn't Bahrain part of this coalition?

[Hawaiian]

22 hours ago, peter zwart said:

This situation could become untenable. The complexity is enormous because we do not know, in the case of a confrontation with Iran, what the role of Russia and China will be. But if these latter two get involved in a possible conflict, all bets are off. I remain hopeful that at least China realizes they have nothing to gain from a global conflict.

Russia has their hands more than full with Ukraine.  And because China is so dependent on Middle East oil they will not do anything to rock the boat.

[Georgealbert]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I already gave that.

So you now are supporting military action, by a terrorist funded fundamentalist  extreme group and then criticise governments defending against those attacks.

 

Really!!!!

[Hawaiian]

8 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

https://news.sky.com/story/middle-east-crisis-explosions-heard-in-sanaa-as-strikes-launched-against-houthis-linked-targets-13045848

It will be interesting to see what the response by the Houthis will be.  Once they run out of drones and missiles the huffing and puffing will be just that.  The coalition forces will block any attempt at replenishment of these weapon systems.

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

It will be interesting to see what the response by the Houthis will be.  Once they run out of drones and missiles the huffing and puffing will be just that.  The coalition forces will block any attempt at replenishment of these weapon systems.

They might be able to stop the delivery of Ballistic missiles, especially from Iran but drones are so easy to come by!

[Hawaiian]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that you asked- the Houthis have said they are only targeting israeli linked vessels, so unless they prove that isn't true, I'd tell any shipping company with israeli contacts to take the long way around Africa and let the rest carry on through Suez.

 

Given the apparent lack of enthusiasm by other countries to join in the naval fun, I suspect they ain't buying the US claims of imminent disaster if the Houthis are left un invaded.

"only targeting israeli linked vessels"  Even if that were true (and it isn't) these ships are in international waters.  Your "other countries" are letting the big guns handle it.

[Hawaiian]

19 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

They might be able to stop the delivery of Ballistic missiles, especially from Iran but drones are so easy to come by!

Easy to come by if no blockade is in force.  These drones are most likely being furnished by Iran so a naval blockade could work.  Saudi Arabia to the north and Oman to the east could also block any shipments.

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[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that you asked- the Houthis have said they are only targeting israeli linked vessels, so unless they prove that isn't true, I'd tell any shipping company with israeli contacts to take the long way around Africa and let the rest carry on through Suez.

 

Given the apparent lack of enthusiasm by other countries to join in the naval fun, I suspect they ain't buying the US claims of imminent disaster if the Houthis are left un invaded.

Why would you believe the Houthis?

[Morch]

32 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

It will be interesting to see what the response by the Houthis will be.  Once they run out of drones and missiles the huffing and puffing will be just that.  The coalition forces will block any attempt at replenishment of these weapon systems.

 

I think easier said than done.

Some of these they can surely produce on their own, by now.

[Seppius]

57 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

It will be interesting to see what the response by the Houthis will be.  Once they run out of drones and missiles the huffing and puffing will be just that.  The coalition forces will block any attempt at replenishment of these weapon systems.

The response

 

 

Furious Houthi forces have vowed to retaliate to a scale 'beyond the imagination' of the West after heavy UK and US air strikes pounded targets across rebel-held areas of Yemen last night. British and American fighter jets launched more than 100 precision Tomahawk missiles at over 60 targets in Houthi-held territory in Yemen, with the strikes hitting an airbase, an airport and military camp in a dramatic escalation of the war in the Middle East.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12955153/Iran-backed-Houthi-rebels-threaten-battle-bigger-imagination-UK-say-pay-heavy-price-pounding-targets-Yemen-targets.html

[Danderman123]

The Houthis are Shiite, so they aren't going get any support from terrorist groups like ISIS or Al Qaeda.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

I think easier said than done.

Some of these they can surely produce on their own, by now.

Drones are not a big deal if they attack warships - ship borne guns can knock them down. They are a problem for commercial shipping. Maybe assembling convoys would be necessary if the Houthis manage to produce their own drones.

[metisdead]

Some more off topic posts have been removed, please remember this topic is about:

 

US and UK hint at military action after largest Houthi attack in Red Sea

[Morch]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Drones are not a big deal if they attack warships - ship borne guns can knock them down. They are a problem for commercial shipping. Maybe assembling convoys would be necessary if the Houthis manage to produce their own drones.

 

My comment was intended with regard to commercial shipping. I don't think that the threat to military vessels is that great, yet.

[scottiejohn]

18 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Drones are not a big deal if they attack warships - ship borne guns can knock them down.

Not necessarily. It depends on the size of drone/radar cross section/age/capability of the ship's radar and combat system and type of guns and ammo!

 

The best way of destroying drones is not by missiles/ammunition but by electronic jamming and Chaff etc if they can be detected in time to be countered!

 

[scottiejohn]

28 minutes ago, Morch said:

I don't think that the threat to military vessels is that great, yet.

Only the USN AGEIS ballistic missile defense system (Aegis BMD) warships and the single Type 45 RN destroyer currently employed in the region have a proven Anti Ballistic Missile Defence (ABMD)  capability.  The other two RN warships in the region do not have that capability!

Those ships fitted with a Close In Weapon System (CIWS) like PHALANX and/or have a good EW/Jamming/Chaff have a good anti drone capability, if they can detect the drones in time!

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[Danderman123]

29 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Not necessarily. It depends on the size of drone/radar cross section/age/capability of the ship's radar and combat system and type of guns and ammo!

 

The best way of destroying drones is not by missiles/ammunition but by electronic jamming and Chaff etc if they can be detected in time to be countered!

 

and Phalanx, as you subsequently noted.

[metisdead]

Update:

US, British militaries launch massive retaliatory strike against Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. and British militaries bombed more than a dozen sites used by the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen on Thursday, in a massive retaliatory strike using warship- and submarine-launched Tomahawk missiles and fighter jets, U.S. officials said.

 

The U.S. Air Force’s Mideast command said it struck over 60 targets at 16 sites in Yemen, including “command-and-control nodes, munitions depots, launching systems, production facilities and air defense radar systems.”

 

President Joe Biden said the strikes were meant to demonstrate that the U.S. and its allies “will not tolerate” the militant group’s ceaseless attacks on the Red Sea.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/us-british-militaries-launch-massive-235223034.html

[Hawaiian]

11 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Not necessarily. It depends on the size of drone/radar cross section/age/capability of the ship's radar and combat system and type of guns and ammo!

 

The best way of destroying drones is not by missiles/ammunition but by electronic jamming and Chaff etc if they can be detected in time to be countered!

 

Agree.  Chances of knocking out a mass attack are better.  Whatever drones that are not disabled can then be taken out by shooting them down.

[Hawaiian]

14 hours ago, Morch said:

 

I think easier said than done.

Some of these they can surely produce on their own, by now.

You are correct about the Houthis producing their own UAVs, however, from Iranian components.  Supposedly they are being smuggled in through Oman and then shuttled in small boats along the coastline.  There is some information about this in thedefensepost.com website.  Unable to provide a link that works.

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18 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

The Saudis have been at it for a few years and gave up because of the costs.  Now they are waiting for someone else to do it.  Isn't Bahrain part of this coalition?

False. The Saudis actually are not at all happy about this intervention.

Saudi Arabia in ‘tight spot’ as US, UK take on Houthi rebels after weeks of attacks

https://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arabia-in-tight-spot-as-us-uk-take-on-houthi-rebels-after-weeks-of-attacks/

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Given that the Houthis persisted in their civil war despite massive bombardments from the Saudis (and massive support for those bombardments from the USA), how can anyone seriously believe that these attacks will deter the Houthis? 

[Morch]

Because Saudi Arabia's military competence and might are just the same as the USA/UK's.

 

Also, stopping a civil war vs. stopping act of terrorism vs. maritime traffic are different level goals and issues.

 

And, regardless - what alternative solutions are on offer?

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Given that the Houthis persisted in their civil war despite massive bombardments from the Saudis (and massive support for those bombardments from the USA), how can anyone seriously believe that these attacks will deter the Houthis? 

Just because you have billions of dollars worth of military hardware does not mean you will win.  The determination to win combined with good strategy plays an important part in any conflict.  Notice the mention of an easy victory over a ragtime group of rebels.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/03/houthis-saudi-arabia-yemen-policy-backward.      Scroll down to "Washington Has Yemen Policy Backward"

 

Edited January 13 by Hawaiian
Correction

[Hawaiian]

44 minutes ago, Morch said:

Because Saudi Arabia's military competence and might are just the same as the USA/UK's.

 

Also, stopping a civil war vs. stopping act of terrorism vs. maritime traffic are different level goals and issues.

 

And, regardless - what alternative solutions are on offer?

Not sure about the Saudi's level of military competence.  Or are you being facetious?

Edited January 13 by Hawaiian
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