After Trump’s NH win, Biden gets the opponent he wants

[Social Media]

 

In a surprising turn of events, former President Donald Trump's victory in the New Hampshire primary has set the stage for a high-stakes rematch against President Joe Biden in the upcoming general election. The Biden campaign sees this as an opportunity to confront Trump head-on, viewing him as a more formidable opponent compared to other Republican contenders. Despite facing challenges such as Biden's low approval ratings and internal party divisions, his team remains optimistic about their chances in what is expected to be the longest and most challenging general election campaign in modern American political history.

 

The race has essentially become an incumbent versus another, with both Biden and Trump emerging as their party's presumptive nominees unusually early in the electoral calendar. While Trump still needs to clear a legal hurdle related to the Supreme Court hearing on Feb. 8, Biden's team sees this matchup as a chance to neutralize concerns about the president's age and galvanize support from swing voters and reluctant Democrats.

 

Notably, Biden's advisers and allies believe that Trump's recent victories in the first two nominating states have revealed vulnerabilities with moderate Republicans, suburbanites, and independents. The Iowa caucuses, in particular, highlighted that almost half of GOP voters did not support Trump. Strategists argue that these indicators point to a potentially weaker candidacy than Trump's 2020 run.

 

Biden's campaign is gearing up to address key issues such as democracy and abortion rights, leveraging them as cornerstones of his reelection bid. Recent statements from the president underscore his commitment to safeguarding these principles and differentiating himself from Trump. The Biden team is counting on these issues resonating with voters and countering Trump's growing influence within the GOP.

 

While Trump's victory in New Hampshire has signaled the official start of the general election, Biden's camp acknowledges the need to convey that this is not just a replay of the 2020 match. They argue that Trump has become more extreme since his last run, and highlighting contrasts on issues like abortion and democracy will be crucial.

 

As the longest and most grueling general election campaign unfolds, both candidates face challenges and opportunities. Biden's team is banking on their candidate's affirmative message, the improving economy, and Trump's potential legal troubles to secure victory. However, with the race expected to be closely contested, Democrats are aware of the need to address Biden's vulnerabilities, particularly among certain demographics within their base.

 

As the nation braces for an intense electoral battle, the Biden campaign remains steadfast in its belief that a faceoff with Trump is the ultimate test of the president's resilience and ability to secure a second term.

 

25.01.24

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[thaibeachlovers]

15 minutes ago, Social Media said:

Notably, Biden's advisers and allies believe that Trump's recent victories in the first two nominating states have revealed vulnerabilities with moderate Republicans, suburbanites, and independents. The Iowa caucuses, in particular, highlighted that almost half of GOP voters did not support Trump. Strategists argue that these indicators point to a potentially weaker candidacy than Trump's 2020 run.

That is undoubtedly true, but what may not eventuate is that they will hold their noses and vote for Biden.

They may choose to vote an independent or not vote at all, but that would likely see Biden elected again.

Time will tell and events may remove either or both from contention prior to the election. I'd like to see DeSantis vs Harris.

Edited January 24 by thaibeachlovers

[Walker88]

It's clear why Biden wants trump as his opponent. trump is in the process of crashing and burning, all because he is revealing to independents, swing voters, and moderate Republicans what kind of miscreant he is. Exit polls in both Iowa and New Hampshire revealed that a large percent of Haley voters will not vote trump if Haley drops out. Also, trump is showing increasing signs of mental deterioration. In the last two weeks he has:

 

---said his opponent is Obama

---said Nikki Haley was Speaker on 6 January 2021

---lied that the Speaker (Haley---sic) had authority to call troops to suppress the terrorist attack on the Capitol

---said Jeb Bush got the US into Iraq

---claims he beat George Bush in an earlier New Hampshire primary

---forgot what State he was in (Iowa)

---said Biden is going to get us into World War II

---babbled incoherently about something he calls "de-banking"

 

trump is still facing 91 felony counts as well as waiting for assessed damages in his second defamation trial and his conviction for bank and insurance fraud. That will not only keep him negatively in the news, it is likely to enrage him and lead to even more untoward and bizarre rants.

 

The issue of abortion is also a major issue, and trump taking credit for overturning Roe v Wade is not going to help him with the majority of women. There are 14 States in the US where abortions are banned even if rape or incest is involved. In just those 14 States since the ban, 54,000 teens and younger have become pregnant via rape or incest. Biden is already citing those figures. (Obviously if a Republican Congressman's wife or daughter was raped, I'm willing to bet an abortion would be had.)

 

Biden also is likely please Nikki Haley is sticking around through Super Tuesday in March, because that will goad trump into being trump. trump already tried Birther 2.0 re Haley, and in his silly 'victory' speech in NH he insinuated there are skeletons in Haley's closet that will come out if she stays in the race. I fully expect trump to be taking about steaks and burgers in his future attacks on Haley. He has shown repeatedly there is no depth too low for him to stoop.

 

All of that, plus the strong economy, strong job growth and record stock prices bode well for Biden.

[thaibeachlovers]

As usual, Trump's opponents concentrate on Trump the man and ignore why such an unsuitable man became POTUS and is looking a viable candidate for the upcoming election.

If it wasn't Trump, it'll be someone that dislikes Washington as much, and till Washington reforms itself the anti establishment will keep voting for anti Washington politicians.

[LosLobo]

The big gamble GOP are about to take on Trump

 

'Despite Trump polling relatively well right now, his electoral track record is unmistakably poor:

 

• He lost the popular vote in both the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections.
• His party lost the popular vote in the 2018 midterm elections by the largest margin since the 1980s.
• When Republicans lost the Senate after the 2020 election, Trump became the first president since Herbert Hoover to lose both chambers of Congress and the presidency in a single term. (Trump recently attacked Haley by saying she would lose all three, ignoring the fact that he himself already had.)
• The 2022 midterms, in which Trump sought to exert control over his party’s course, was arguably the worst in a century for a party that didn’t control the White House. Trump-backed candidates also routinely underperformed other Republicans.'

4 reasons Trump is a gamble for Republicans - The Washington Post (archive.md)

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As usual, Trump's opponents concentrate on Trump the man and ignore why such an unsuitable man became POTUS and is looking a viable candidate for the upcoming election.

If it wasn't Trump, it'll be someone that dislikes Washington as much, and till Washington reforms itself the anti establishment will keep voting for anti Washington politicians.

 

Exactly.

 

If they spent half as much time trying to improve their own party/leadership instead of throwing stones at Trump then American politics would be in a much better place. 

 

It's amusing watching them Dems try to convince themselves that Trump is the opponent that Biden wants. Biden is a puppet who doesn't even know what day it is until he's juiced up for a debate. 

[placeholder]

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's amusing watching them Dems try to convince themselves that Trump is the opponent that Biden wants. Biden is a puppet who doesn't even know what day it is until he's juiced up for a debate. 

Stop making things up:

From the landing page of this forum

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

https://aseannow.com/forum/158-world-news/

 

[Tug]

43 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly.

 

If they spent half as much time trying to improve their own party/leadership instead of throwing stones at Trump then American politics would be in a much better place. 

 

It's amusing watching them Dems try to convince themselves that Trump is the opponent that Biden wants. Biden is a puppet who doesn't even know what day it is until he's juiced up for a debate. 

There’s those pesky problems for ya like the stellar stock market unemployment #s all the meaningfull legislation passed under Biden along with doing the unpopular things like governance ie dealing with inflation.not to mention revitalizing nato and stopping Putin.now trump on then other hand is performing well for his pal Putin in having his congress chocking off aid to Ukraine and stopping any progress on immigration to try to make the dems look bad.so naaa the dems are doing much much better than the retrumplikans it is what it is lock that bilko artist up !

[impulse]

Biden's most formidable opponents are stairs and teleprompters.

 

[placeholder]

32 minutes ago, impulse said:

Biden's most formidable opponents are stairs and teleprompters.

 

Trump thinks his most formidable opponent is Nancy Pelosi who in his mind is running against him for the Republican nomination.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Trump thinks his most formidable opponent is Nancy Pelosi who in his mind is running against him for the Republican nomination.

 

With his schedule and pressures fighting off 4 or 5 partisan indictments while actively campaigning all over the country, I'd grant him a few gaffes. I'm surprised the guy hasn't vapor locked under that load.  Just proves how strong he is, whether you agree with him or not.

 

Biden, OTOH, who seems to take 3-1/2 weeks off each month and gets led off the podium for a nap after each speech...  His only excuse is cognitive decline.

 

Between the two, I know who I'd want sitting on my side of the negotiating table.

 

[bendejo]

I'm not taking any GOP hopeful as the candidate until after the GOP convention in Milwaukee.  This just might be the "when do we get to use the guns?" moment, and it will be the GOP factions going at each other.

 

All these guys lining up to endorse the orange one, IMO, are doing it cognoscent that DT may be excluded from the ballot, for whatever reason, and they would all want his blessing when they put themselves forward at the convention.  DeSantis let this slip at one point.  Zombie apocalypse time, all those climbing over each other to kiss the orange hind.  Prepare for some of the 2016 punters to re-appear, like Rubio and Ted Cruz.

 

Will be wild

Edited January 25 by bendejo

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

With his schedule and pressures fighting off 4 or 5 partisan indictments while actively campaigning all over the country, I'd grant him a few gaffes. I'm surprised the guy hasn't vapor locked under that load.  Just proves how strong he is, whether you agree with him or not.

 

Biden, OTOH, who seems to take 3-1/2 weeks off each month and gets led off the podium for a nap after each speech...  His only excuse is cognitive decline.

 

Between the two, I know who I'd want sitting on my side of the negotiating table.

 

Really? As a a business person, Trump had a terrible negotiation record. You must be thinking of TV Trump.

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? As a a business person, Trump had a terrible negotiation record. You must be thinking of TV Trump.

 

I despised TV Trump.  Didn't care much for him up until I saw what he did as President.  And what has been done to him...

 

I'm talking about the Trump who had zero Russian/Ukraine wars and zero Palestinian/Israeli wars on his watch, along with net negative illegal immigration during his last year, and lost zero US soldiers leaving Afghanistan.

 

OTOH, I did not care for the way he handled Covid.  At all.

 

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I despised TV Trump.  Didn't care much for him up until I saw what he did as President.  And what has been done to him...

 

I'm talking about the Trump who had zero Russian/Ukraine wars and zero Palestinian/Israeli wars on his watch, along with net negative illegal immigration during his last year, and lost zero US soldiers leaving Afghanistan.

 

OTOH, I did not care for the way he handled Covid.  At all.

 

Let's start with the Afghan thing. Given that Trump's agreement with the Taliban pushed the US withdrawal date into 2021, it's not exactly surprising that there were no deaths during withdrawal on his watch. That might not have been the case had Trump had his way to withdraw all U.S. troops before Biden took office. He actually signed an order to that effect but it was ignored.

And Trump certainly encouraged the continuing Russian incursion into Ukraine by illegally refusing to send weapons to Ukraine that were authorized in legislation.

As for Israel Palestine, and the world situation in general, there's a logical fallacy called. post hoc ergo propter hoc.  You can look it up.

As for net negative illegal immigration in his final year, given that the US economy was actually contracting, and lower wage workers were disproportionately affected, it's not surprising that illegal immigration fell sharply. You think that shrinking the economy is a policy that the Biden administration should pursue? (something tells me that you are going to allege that this is what's actually happening or maybe happening because you don't trust the government)

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

There’s those pesky problems for ya like the stellar stock market unemployment #s all the meaningfull legislation passed under Biden along with doing the unpopular things like governance ie dealing with inflation.not to mention revitalizing nato and stopping Putin.now trump on then other hand is performing well for his pal Putin in having his congress chocking off aid to Ukraine and stopping any progress on immigration to try to make the dems look bad.so naaa the dems are doing much much better than the retrumplikans it is what it is lock that bilko artist up !

 

Not sure I understood much of that but to be fair I have to give Biden credit where it's due.

 

His funding of the Israeli Army's defensive operations against the brutal Palestinian terrorists using vast sums of American taxpayers money is indeed commendable. 

 

But then, even a broken clock is correct twice a day...

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

With his schedule and pressures fighting off 4 or 5 partisan indictments while actively campaigning all over the country, I'd grant him a few gaffes. I'm surprised the guy hasn't vapor locked under that load.  Just proves how strong he is, whether you agree with him or not.

 

<snip>

 

Credit to Trump, it’s tough work being a crook and in so many ways too. 
 

 

Edited January 25 by Chomper Higgot

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Let's start with the Afghan thing. Given that Trump's agreement with the Taliban pushed the US withdrawal date into 2021, it's not exactly surprising that there were no deaths during withdrawal on his watch. That might not have been the case had Trump had his way to withdraw all U.S. troops before Biden took office. He actually signed an order to that effect but it was ignored.

And Trump certainly encouraged the continuing Russian incursion into Ukraine by illegally refusing to send weapons to Ukraine that were authorized in legislation.

As for Israel Palestine, and the world situation in general, there's a logical fallacy called. post hoc ergo propter hoc.  You can look it up.

As for net negative illegal immigration in his final year, given that the US economy was actually contracting, and lower wage workers were disproportionately affected, it's not surprising that illegal immigration fell sharply. You think that shrinking the economy is a policy that the Biden administration should pursue? (something tells me that you are going to allege that this is what's actually happening or maybe happening because you don't trust the government)

Looks who's making things up now. No links too. 

Edited January 25 by nauseus

[Thingamabob]

As a Brit I would hope for anyone other than Biden as president, no matter whether Democrat or Republican. 

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Looks who's making things up now. No links too. 

Lack of links doesn't prove someone is making things up. But when they're challenged and can't be backed up, that's pretty good proof. Unfortunately for you, here are links to the evidence.

 

On February 29, 2020, the United States and the Taliban signed a peace agreement. It provided for a full withdrawal of U.S. troops over 14 months on the condition that the Taliban would take part in peace negotiations with the Afghan government and prevent affiliates of al-Qaeda and ISIL from operating within Afghanistan. The agreement did not include a condition that the Taliban reach an agreement with the Afghan government.

https://www.britannica.com/event/withdrawal-of-United-States-troops-from-Afghanistan

 

Here's when the withdrawal of troops took place:

Withdrawal of United States troops from Afghanistan, the United States government’s removal of its last remaining armed forces in Afghanistan following the Afghanistan War (2001–14). The withdrawal was completed on August 30, 2021, despite the Taliban’s toppling of the Afghan government earlier that month.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Afghanistan-War

Do you really require a link showing that Donald Trump's term of office ended on Jan 20th, 2021?

 

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss

President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday.

“The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. “And yet President Trump signed the order.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/10/13/trump-ordered-rapid-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-election-loss/

 

As for the net negative of illegal immigration in 2021 claimed by impulse. I can't actually find evidence that this was the case. .

 

I just hope my providing links to credible sources will prove an inspiration to you and put a stop to your penchant for making things up.

 

 

Edited January 25 by placeholder

[Walker88]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly.

 

If they spent half as much time trying to improve their own party/leadership instead of throwing stones at Trump then American politics would be in a much better place. 

 

It's amusing watching them Dems try to convince themselves that Trump is the opponent that Biden wants. Biden is a puppet who doesn't even know what day it is until he's juiced up for a debate. 

You have a naive, childlike, conspiracy theorist view of how US politics works. Biden is a puppet? Of Whom?

 

Silly.

 

Perhaps you've missed it, but under Biden the Dems have gone to work getting the US out of the trump Recession, taking trump's 6.8% unemployment and bringing it close to a 55 year low, presided over more job creation than any POTUS ever, passed a bipartisan infrastructure Bill, dramatically reduced many prescription drug prices, and rebuilt NATO into a powerful force that can stand up to russian aggression.

 

Convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, convicted bank and insurance fraudster, and the clown under 91 felony indictments for such things as stealing classified documents and trying to overthrow US democracy---trump is the antithesis of positive change, which is why Biden loves that trump will be his opponent.

[Walker88]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Looks who's making things up now. No links too. 

trump released 5000 Taliban jihadis plus set the timetable for US withdrawal before leaving office. Those released jihadis overthrew what was left of the Afghanistan government and now run the country. It is quite likely7 some of them ordered and carried out the airport bombing during the withdrawal.

[Walker88]

So anti-American are Repubs now that they purposely stand in the way of funding border security, because---as Moscow Mitch McConnell says---"We don't want to take an election issue away from trump".

 

Neither will Repubs pass any Bill that might help further boost the strong economy, because trump wants a crash so that it will help his campaign.

 

Repubs=Traitors, each and every one.

[newnative]

     If I'm Biden I'd want Trump, too, as my opponent.  Two-time loser with the voters in both his presidential runs, and, now, much more negative baggage, with all the criminal indictments and everything else, than he had in the 2020 election.

[JonnyF]

31 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

 

Convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, convicted bank and insurance fraudster, and the clown under 91 felony indictments for such things as stealing classified documents and trying to overthrow US democracy---trump is the antithesis of positive change, which is why Biden loves that trump will be his opponent.

 

 

Please provide links for all those claims. 

 

I am sure you are aware of forum rules which are always enforced impartially irrespective of political position, much like the laws in Thailand.

[candide]

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

 

Please provide links for all those claims. 

 

I am sure you are aware of forum rules which are always enforced impartially irrespective of political position, much like the laws in Thailand.

I must acknowledge It's difficult to follow-up as there are so many cases.

Here's digest:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

 

And a recent update about on going cases

https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/

[Tug]

10 hours ago, impulse said:

 

With his schedule and pressures fighting off 4 or 5 partisan indictments while actively campaigning all over the country, I'd grant him a few gaffes. I'm surprised the guy hasn't vapor locked under that load.  Just proves how strong he is, whether you agree with him or not.

 

Biden, OTOH, who seems to take 3-1/2 weeks off each month and gets led off the podium for a nap after each speech...  His only excuse is cognitive decline.

 

Between the two, I know who I'd want sitting on my side of the negotiating table.

 

Trump surrenders that’s it.biden leads and gets legislation done all within the confines of our laws and system of government that sir is the very definition of negotiating even more so in our fractured times.Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator because he’s a failure and negotiations.the Biden TEAM have much to be proud of 

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not sure I understood much of that but to be fair I have to give Biden credit where it's due.

 

His funding of the Israeli Army's defensive operations against the brutal Palestinian terrorists using vast sums of American taxpayers money is indeed commendable. 

 

But then, even a broken clock is correct twice a day...

Sorry for my poor grammar and spelling had to hit the work force early due to a death in the family.if you want a far more articulate response refer to walker 88 and many many others on this forum who are far more articulate than I.that being said my head works right it’s easy to see trump for what he is and it’s easy to see just who wishes my country bad fortune.as far as the Israelis they are our ally we must support them it’s a no brainer,they aren’t going to accept the hostage as usual negotiations the insult was to great,it is hammas and their ilk that are responsible for the slaughter of the Palestinians and yes it’s horrible and yes it needs to stop hammas must be exterminated period all stop!

[newnative]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

 

Please provide links for all those claims. 

 

I am sure you are aware of forum rules which are always enforced impartially irrespective of political position, much like the laws in Thailand.

They're not 'claims', they're facts.  Easily googled.  Just google 'Trump convicted for charity fraud', for example, and up it pops.  Just google 'Trump convicted for sexual assault', and up it pops.  See how easy that is?

[Walker88]

More good news for Biden, and bad news for trump.

 

Economists expected an annualized 2% GDP figure to be released 25 January, but it smashed the estimate and came in at 3.3% growth. The US is booming under Biden.

 

That has to make the guy who wants the economy to crash feel terrible.

Edited January 25 by Walker88

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Walker88 said:

So anti-American are Repubs now that they purposely stand in the way of funding border security, because---as Moscow Mitch McConnell says---"We don't want to take an election issue away from trump".

 

Neither will Repubs pass any Bill that might help further boost the strong economy, because trump wants a crash so that it will help his campaign.

 

Repubs=Traitors, each and every one.

You should take up comedy as a career. You'd be a huge hit.