Allegations of UN Agency Staff Involvement in Hamas Attacks Prompt U.S. Funding Pause

[Brickleberry]

10 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Why doesn't the Hamas barbarians release the hostages, why did Palestine start this war in the first place and why won't man up and take responsibility for this war these sadistic hoards have caused. 

 

1) I don't know. I don't have a direct line. Perhaps because if they release all of the hostages, they won't have anything left to bargain with?

2) Palestine? Huh? There isn't a country/land mass called Mandate for Palestine any more, it was replaced by Israel in 1948.

3) Hamas started this particular conflict, but there has been a never ending conflict and resistance to occupation for the last 56 years.

4) Your comment has nothing to do with UNRWA smears by Israel: A country that has been found to plausibly be committing genocide. 

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

1) I don't know. I don't have a direct line. Perhaps because if they release all of the hostages, they won't have anything left to bargain with?

2) Palestine? Huh? There isn't a country/land mass called Mandate for Palestine any more, it was replaced by Israel in 1948.

3) Hamas started this particular conflict, but there has been a never ending conflict and resistance to occupation for the last 56 years.

4) Your comment has nothing to do with UNRWA smears by Israel: A country that has been found to plausibly be committing genocide. 

 

@Brickleberry

 

When you feel like it, you make all sort of conjectures and pronouncements about Hamas positions. Suddenly you cannot. Oh well.

 

Israel did not replace either 'Palestine' (which did not exist), or the Mandate of - but part of it, mostly the areas designated as the new country.

 

Hamas started this war, and these topics are about this war. Even within the framework of the conflict as a whole, Hamas's attack stands out as way over the top. Deny. Minimize. Normalize. Obfuscate. Same old.

 

Your own comments got nothing to do with UNRWA, or the topic at hand. All you have on offer is Israel Bad.

[Chris Daley]

It's the will of God.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

1) I don't know. I don't have a direct line. Perhaps because if they release all of the hostages, they won't have anything left to bargain with?

2) Palestine? Huh? There isn't a country/land mass called Mandate for Palestine any more, it was replaced by Israel in 1948.

3) Hamas started this particular conflict, but there has been a never ending conflict and resistance to occupation for the last 56 years.

4) Your comment has nothing to do with UNRWA smears by Israel: A country that has been found to plausibly be committing genocide. 

19 countries who have suspended funding disagree with you and believe they are serious allegations that need an investigation. The UN disagrees with you as its already terminated the employment of some. The dossier disagrees with you but you've not read that, perhaps those 19 countries have..........................

 

https://twitter.com/Ostrov_A/status/1752234569078608361

 

[Nick Carter icp]

32 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

2) Palestine? Huh? There isn't a country/land mass called Mandate for Palestine any more, it was replaced by Israel in 1948.

 

 

   Just thinking about it, nearly every Country in the world, or area names, has had a change of name over the last few hundred years .

   If you are calling for the land to revert back to being Mandate for Palestine , then the British would need to return to administer the land and Britain will not be doing that , as the World has changed from the 1940's

[Jeff the Chef]

Why does it outrage some to fund a humanitarian organization that, unbeknownst to it, might have had Hamas militants on its staff, but it's not an outrage to fund a State that, according to the International Court of Justice, is plausibly committing genocide?

[Nick Carter icp]

35 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Why does it outrage some to fund a humanitarian organization that, unbeknownst to it, might have had Hamas militants on its staff, but it's not an outrage to fund a State that, according to the International Court of Justice, is plausibly committing genocide?

 

   Western tax payers were paying some of the Hamas terrorists to murder and rape and commit war crimes against innocent civilians and that is why they stopped funding the agency who employed those terrorists .

   No need to be outraged by the iCJ ruling that Israel might or might not have been committing genocide 

[Brickleberry]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Why does it outrage some to fund a humanitarian organization that, unbeknownst to it, might have had Hamas militants on its staff, but it's not an outrage to fund a State that, according to the International Court of Justice, is plausibly committing genocide?

 

Because Israel has consistently ignored international law, and couldn't care less. Its supporters, therefore, couldn't care less either.

 

I think a solution is on the horizon. There are finally serious talks about a Palestinian state being recognized by the UN and internationally, without the approval of Israel. This is what must happen. A solution must be imposed on Israel, as it has not allowed the conditions for a two state solution to come to fruition, and has treated the Palestinians and their land with the utmost contempt over decades. Even the UK is considering it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68137220

 

In my opinion, and under international law, it should be on the established borders in 1948. A country cannot seize land by force under international law since 1945, and Israel did precisely that in 1967 when it started the Six Day War.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Because Israel has consistently ignored international law, and couldn't care less. Its supporters, therefore, couldn't care less either.

 

I think a solution is on the horizon. There are finally serious talks about a Palestinian state being recognized by the UN and internationally, without the approval of Israel. This is what must happen. A solution must be imposed on Israel, as it has not allowed the conditions for a two state solution to come to fruition, and has treated the Palestinians and their land with the utmost contempt over decades. Even the UK is considering it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68137220

 

In my opinion, and under international law, it should be on the established borders in 1948. A country cannot seize land by force under international law since 1945, and Israel did precisely that in 1967 when it started the Six Day War.

Off topic, nothing to do with UN Agency Staff Involvement in Hamas Attacks

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Why does it outrage some to fund a humanitarian organization that, unbeknownst to it, might have had Hamas militants on its staff, but it's not an outrage to fund a State that, according to the International Court of Justice, is plausibly committing genocide?

 

Unbeknownst to it how? This is not the first time these and related issues were brought up. It's not the first 'wrongdoing' on part of UNRWA employees. UNRWA has pledged to clean its act more than once in the past, not a whole lot improved.

 

Might have? Might have how? UNRWA already admitted that and dismissed these employees.

 

Outrage whom? Are these countries funding Israel? The USA can be said to (and that too, is not on par with UNRWA who's budget is mostly or fully made of donations), the rest do not. Also, Israel is not a human rights organization, UNRWA (supposedly) is.

 

Any other bogus 'questions'?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Because Israel has consistently ignored international law, and couldn't care less. Its supporters, therefore, couldn't care less either.

 

I think a solution is on the horizon. There are finally serious talks about a Palestinian state being recognized by the UN and internationally, without the approval of Israel. This is what must happen. A solution must be imposed on Israel, as it has not allowed the conditions for a two state solution to come to fruition, and has treated the Palestinians and their land with the utmost contempt over decades. Even the UK is considering it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68137220

 

In my opinion, and under international law, it should be on the established borders in 1948. A country cannot seize land by force under international law since 1945, and Israel did precisely that in 1967 when it started the Six Day War.

 

@Brickleberry

 

Hamas hijacks Israelis.

Hamas fans hijack topics.

 

Topic is about UNRWA.

There's at least one current topic on the ICJ provisional ruling.

Go troll there.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

In my opinion, and under international law, it should be on the established borders in 1948. A country cannot seize land by force under international law since 1945, and Israel did precisely that in 1967 when it started the Six Day War.

It's always puzzled me that post 1967 the convention when talking about israeli borders has always referred to the 1967 border, and not the legal border as set by the UN in 1948. Gosh, it's almost as though it's alright for one state to seize land from another state and make it part of their state, in defiance of international law. Even more puzzling then, that when another country that we know well does that, the entire western world makes a huge fuss about it. Gosh, it's almost as though it's OK for israel to not abide by international law, because it's "special".

Strange world we live in.

[Social Media]

Topic Update: Blinken says evidence of UNRWA staffers’ Oct. 7 involvement ‘highly, highly credible’

News outlets publish photos of UN staffers implicated in Israeli dossier; New Zealand pauses funding over ‘incredibly serious’ allegations; Israel cancels meetings with UNRWA head.

 

The evidence provided by Israel alleging that roughly a dozen UNRWA staffers participated in Hamas’s October 7 terror onslaught is “highly credible,” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Monday, as media outlets published additional details on the implicated employees, including photos from an Israeli dossier.

 

“We haven’t had the ability to investigate [the allegations] ourselves. But they are highly, highly credible,” Blinken said during a press conference.

 

Blinken stressed that the UN agency for Palestinian refugees plays an “indispensable” role in providing assistance to civilians in the Gaza Strip and that “no one else can play the role that UNRWA has been playing, certainly not in the near term.”

 

Channel 12 reported that one of the 12 men implicated was an UNRWA teacher accused of being armed with an anti-tank missile, while another teacher had been accused of filming a hostage being taken captive during the onslaught.

 

Another of the staffers, also an elementary school teacher, allegedly served as a Hamas commander and participated in the massacre in Kibbutz Be’eri, while a man employed by UNRWA as a social worker was allegedly involved in the kidnapping of an IDF soldier’s body on that day.

 

“The allegations are incredibly serious. It’s important they are properly understood and investigated,” New Zealand Prime Minister Christopher Luxon told reporters on Monday when he announced Wellington would not “be making any further contributions” to UNRWA.

 

Asked whether the US will consider resuming funding to the agency after the administration announced a suspension on Friday, Kirby said it would depend on the results of UNRWA’s investigation.

 

“We understand that [UNRWA is] very dependent on donor contributions, and the United States has been a leading donor for many years… All the more reason that this investigation needs to be credible, transparent, thorough and timely,” he said.

 

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/blinken-says-evidence-of-unrwa-staffers-oct-7-involvement-highly-highly-credible/

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's always puzzled me that post 1967 the convention when talking about israeli borders has always referred to the 1967 border, and not the legal border as set by the UN in 1948. Gosh, it's almost as though it's alright for one state to seize land from another state and make it part of their state, in defiance of international law. Even more puzzling then, that when another country that we know well does that, the entire western world makes a huge fuss about it. Gosh, it's almost as though it's OK for israel to not abide by international law, because it's "special".

Strange world we live in.

 

   The 1948 border offer was rejected by the Palestinians, so it was never a legal border , once the offer was rejected , then he offer no longer exists 

[Morch]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's always puzzled me that post 1967 the convention when talking about israeli borders has always referred to the 1967 border, and not the legal border as set by the UN in 1948. Gosh, it's almost as though it's alright for one state to seize land from another state and make it part of their state, in defiance of international law. Even more puzzling then, that when another country that we know well does that, the entire western world makes a huge fuss about it. Gosh, it's almost as though it's OK for israel to not abide by international law, because it's "special".

Strange world we live in.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

It always puzzles me why the wannabe 'pro-palestinian' tend to try and go off topic, derail and hijack when something uncomfortable is discussed. Like this topic, which is about UNRWA.

[Brickleberry]

12 bad apples, out of 13,000. Sort it out guys.

 

You don't leave 2 million people starving and dying of disease because 12 idiots might have done something. You don't do it if 12 idiots did do something. It is an infinitesimally small number. The NHS hasn't been dismantled after nurses and doctors have been caught killing patients. The police haven't been de funded despite several officers getting thrown in jail for rape and murder.

 

Why isn't AN sharing stories about Israel openly calling for the destruction of UNRWA? Certainly puts all of this into context. But no, they would rather feed you more biased - unconfirmed drivel.

 

Why are they not sharing stories about the rallies held over this weekend to re-colonize Gaza with 1/3 of the cabinet in attendance - in direct contravention of ICJ orders to incite genocide?

 

Why isn't AN sharing stories about Israeli citizens blocking aid to Gaza for the last few days - in direct contravention of ICJ orders to increase aid into Gaza?

 

Why don't we have some parity AN? Fairness.

 

Blinken & Biden are so far up Israel's genocidal backside that one cannot tell where one starts and the other ends. This is not a news story, it is a hit piece.

 

Never forget guys: Israel is a pariah state. It is a state that has been found to be plausibly committing genocide. Why on earth would we listen to anything they say? They have been caught so many times bending the truth & flat out lying.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

12 bad apples, out of 13,000. Sort it out guys.

 

You don't leave 2 million people starving and dying of disease because 12 idiots might have done something. You don't do it if 12 idiots did do something. It is an infinitesimally small number. The NHS hasn't been dismantled after nurses and doctors have been caught killing patients. The police haven't been de funded despite several officers getting thrown in jail for rape and murder.

 

Why isn't AN sharing stories about Israel openly calling for the destruction of UNRWA? Certainly puts all of this into context. But no, they would rather feed you more biased - unconfirmed drivel.

 

Why are they not sharing stories about the rallies held over this weekend to re-colonize Gaza with 1/3 of the cabinet in attendance - in direct contravention of ICJ orders to incite genocide?

 

Why isn't AN sharing stories about Israeli citizens blocking aid to Gaza for the last few days - in direct contravention of ICJ orders to increase aid into Gaza?

 

Why don't we have some parity AN? Fairness.

 

Blinken & Biden are so far up Israel's genocidal backside that one cannot tell where one starts and the other ends. This is not a news story, it is a hit piece.

 

Never forget guys: Israel is a pariah state. It is a state that has been found to be plausibly committing genocide. Why on earth would we listen to anything they say? They have been caught so many times bending the truth & flat out lying.

Blinken & Biden are so far up Israel's genocidal backside that one cannot tell where one starts and the other ends. This is not a news story, it is a hit piece.

 

Meanwhile

On January 29th the European Union demanded a separate audit of unrwa by eu-appointed external experts into whether its control systems are capable of preventing “the possible involvement of its staff in terrorist activities”, and also asked for a review of all unrwa staff to confirm that they did not participate in terrorist attacks.

[Hanaguma]

UNRWA should not even exist in the first place. The UN already has an agency to deal with refugees, the UNHCR. There is no reason for a separate body just to serve one community. Especially for 75 years.  Other refugee crises have come and gone, yet for some reason this one lingers. When India and Pakistan separated, some 15 million refugees were created. Yet they did not get a special organization, and all settled in their new home territories. 

 

Not to mention that the perfidious influence of UNRWA spreads beyond those who directly should be on trial for terrorism. They control education, medical care etc in Gaza. They are responsible for brainwashing generations of Palestinian children to hate Jews and dream of revenge. They allow terrorists to use their resources, they hide terrorists and their weapons in their buildings. They are evil and need to go. 

[Brickleberry]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

UNRWA should not even exist in the first place. The UN already has an agency to deal with refugees, the UNHCR. There is no reason for a separate body just to serve one community. Especially for 75 years.  Other refugee crises have come and gone, yet for some reason this one lingers. When India and Pakistan separated, some 15 million refugees were created. Yet they did not get a special organization, and all settled in their new home territories. 

 

Not to mention that the perfidious influence of UNRWA spreads beyond those who directly should be on trial for terrorism. They control education, medical care etc in Gaza. They are responsible for brainwashing generations of Palestinian children to hate Jews and dream of revenge. They allow terrorists to use their resources, they hide terrorists and their weapons in their buildings. They are evil and need to go. 

 

India and Pakistan are countries - they have respective homelands to call home. Palestinians do not. This is why they have special refugee status. Israel hates this, and it thinks that this status is dangerous to its existence.

 

These are where the 'fosters hatred & brainwashing' allegations come from. Israel believes that encouraging Palestinians to think of themselves as refugees, because they do not have a homeland, breeds hatred for Israelis. However, this is just factually correct, and under UN resolutions issued to Israel years ago, they are entitled to return to their homes, and are considered refugees. More proof that Israel ignores international law and tries to twist and lie facts to its own agenda.

 

Note that textbooks used in schools are not actually made by UNRWA. The textbooks come from the PA - the government. UNRWA has issued other teaching materials after noting that there is evidence of antisemitism in PA written text books. Whilst I am aware that schools are named after martyrs, and that teachers often talk about their own experiences and trauma of losing their homes etc due to Israels founding, this does not mean it is incitement to hatred. It is Palestinian history, and they are entitled to tell their stories. They are entitled to resist occupation, which all international courts have said is what Gaza and the West Bank are. Occupied territory. Furthermore, they aren't teaching anything in schools at the moment, because the majority of them have been blown up. So there is no need to de fund UNRWA on this basis.

 

By the way, lets not talk about Israel doing the same thing, right?

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/mena/israeli-textbooks-foster-hate-says-author-1.405887

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TEL AVIV // One asserts that Israel's Palestinian citizens shun modernisation and are building houses illegally. Another alleges the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank steals water from Israel. And elsewhere, that Palestinians have been a "terrifying demographic problem" for Israel.

Such statements are part of mainstream schoolbooks in Israel that teach an "anti-Palestinian" approach in a bid to prepare Jewish children to be aggressive towards Palestinians once they serve in the army, according to a new book.

To be released this month in the UK, the book - Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education - is the first to publicly provide evidence that Israeli schools have racist textbooks, said Nurit Peled-Elhanan, a professor at Jerusalem's Hebrew University who has researched dozens of Israeli schoolbooks published since the 1990s.

 

There is no proof that medical centers and refugee camps are being used as terrorist sites. None at all. I mean, how stupid does Israel think the world is? They claim there are 30,000 Hamas members, but they have destroyed 62% of all buildings in Gaza. It is impossible for a small group like this to literally be everywhere.

 

I applaud your post for actually acknowledging what this is all really about though. Israel wants UNRWA gone, and wants it gone for disingenuous reasons. 

[Hanaguma]

8 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

India and Pakistan are countries - they have respective homelands to call home. Palestinians do not. This is why they have special refugee status. Israel hates this, and it thinks that this status is dangerous to its existence.

 

These are where the 'fosters hatred & brainwashing' allegations come from. Israel believes that encouraging Palestinians to think of themselves as refugees, because they do not have a homeland, breeds hatred for Israelis. However, this is just factually correct, and under UN resolutions issued to Israel years ago, they are entitled to return to their homes, and are considered refugees. More proof that Israel ignores international law and tries to twist and lie facts to its own agenda.

 

Note that textbooks used in schools are not actually made by UNRWA. The textbooks come from the PA - the government. UNRWA has issued other teaching materials after noting that there is evidence of antisemitism in PA written text books. Whilst I am aware that schools are named after martyrs, and that teachers often talk about their own experiences and trauma of losing their homes etc due to Israels founding, this does not mean it is incitement to hatred. It is Palestinian history, and they are entitled to tell their stories. They are entitled to resist occupation, which all international courts have said is what Gaza and the West Bank are. Occupied territory. Furthermore, they aren't teaching anything in schools at the moment, because the majority of them have been blown up. So there is no need to de fund UNRWA on this basis.

 

By the way, lets not talk about Israel doing the same thing, right?

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/mena/israeli-textbooks-foster-hate-says-author-1.405887

 

There is no proof that medical centers and refugee camps are being used as terrorist sites. None at all. I mean, how stupid does Israel think the world is? They claim there are 30,000 Hamas members, but they have destroyed 62% of all buildings in Gaza. It is impossible for a small group like this to literally be everywhere.

Thank you for admitting that the PA brainwashes children in their territory.  The willing consent of UNRWA staff is part of the problem too.  

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

I applaud your post for actually acknowledging what this is all really about though. Israel wants UNRWA gone, and wants it gone for disingenuous reasons. 

When you say that Palestinians should be able to return to their homes, what do you mean exactly? Which homes? And who exactly gets to return- the original refugees, their descendants (if so, how many generations)? And what if the homes no longer exist, or the land is occupied by OTHER refugees, like the ones kicked out of Muslim countries?  It is a sticky and pointless discussion.

 

And the Palestinians DO have a country- it is called Jordan. The UN partition in 1948 was never agreed upon and instead the Arabs attacked. Got their butts whipped for what would be the first of many times and the seeds of today's strife were born. 

 

Thank you for admitting that the PA brainwashes children in their territory.  The willing consent of UNRWA staff is part of the problem too.  

 

"Resisting occupation" does not include invading the sovereign territory of a nation, and committing acts of sexual violence on teenage girls.  Which, getting back to the topic, UNRWA staff were part of.  

[Brickleberry]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Thank you for admitting that the PA brainwashes children in their territory.  The willing consent of UNRWA staff is part of the problem too.  

 

 

 

 

When you say that Palestinians should be able to return to their homes, what do you mean exactly? Which homes? And who exactly gets to return- the original refugees, their descendants (if so, how many generations)? And what if the homes no longer exist, or the land is occupied by OTHER refugees, like the ones kicked out of Muslim countries?  It is a sticky and pointless discussion.

 

And the Palestinians DO have a country- it is called Jordan. The UN partition in 1948 was never agreed upon and instead the Arabs attacked. Got their butts whipped for what would be the first of many times and the seeds of today's strife were born. 

 

Thank you for admitting that the PA brainwashes children in their territory.  The willing consent of UNRWA staff is part of the problem too.  

 

"Resisting occupation" does not include invading the sovereign territory of a nation, and committing acts of sexual violence on teenage girls.  Which, getting back to the topic, UNRWA staff were part of.  

 

Your first point is ignoring historical facts. Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries for a reason, Israel kicking out 750,000 Palestinians from their homes and lands. They would still be living happily in their home countries if Israel had not done what it did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world#:~:text=In the 20th century%2C approximately,countries throughout Africa and Asia.

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Primarily a consequence of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the mass movement mainly transpired from 1948 to the early 1970s, with one final exodus of Iranian Jews occurring shortly after the Islamic Revolution in 1979–1980. An estimated 650000 (72%) of these Jews resettled in Israel.^[1]

 

Jordan is not Palestine. This is just a false, ugly thing to say.

 

Yes, the UN partition was never agreed upon - thank you for admitting that Israel declaring independence and seizing land in 1967 was illegal - it has been illegal to seize land by force since 1945. But we never talk about this fact, and who would? It would mean that parts of the state of Israel is illegitimate under international law. A very inconvenient truth. 

 

The seeds of today's strife were not born because Arab countries rightfully got involved in protecting the indigenous population's property and land rights. Today's strife occurred because the political Zionist movement encouraged citizens from other countries to move to the area - colonial settler-ism. Even the British balked at the sheer amount of people emigrating to the area, and knew it would cause, and was causing problems. They tried to put limits on how many could come, and the Jewish settlers declared war on the British - blowing up hotels and killing the British using terrorist tactics. Most Israelis living in Israel are settlers, or descendants of settlers to the area.This is not to say that all of them are colonialists. There is a certain percentage of Israelis who have always lived in the area, peacefully with Arabs and later on, Christians. 

 

Brainwashing is what it's called on the Israeli side. History lessons is what it might be called on the other side. Could you imagine if we were not allowed to teach kids about the holocaust because it might incite hatred towards Germans? No, that would be a ridiculous thing to say. Why should the Palestinians not be able to talk about their history without it being called brainwashing techniques to hate Jewish people? The fact that Israel was created in Palestinian lands, and that they were removed and murdered in 1948 is just truth. Another inconvenient truth, but it is true.

 

Resisting occupation has been tried peacefully. The Great March of Return was a hugely peaceful protest whereby not a single Israeli was hurt or killed. Tens of thousands of Palestinians were left with horrible, life changing amputations due to Israeli snipers shooting them. Hundreds were killed, including an internationally renowned journalist. So these guys get shot at and killed if they peacefully protest, arrested without charges in the west bank, shot at and killed living in Gaza and West bank, what the hell are they supposed to do? Let this situation continue forever while Israel slowly but surely takes all of the West Bank?

 

The fact is, there is NO evidence of any rapes during the attack.

[coolcarer]

13 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Your first point is ignoring historical facts. Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries for a reason, Israel kicking out 750,000 Palestinians from their homes and lands. They would still be living happily in their home countries if Israel had not done what it did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world#:~:text=In the 20th century%2C approximately,countries throughout Africa and Asia.

 

Jordan is not Palestine. This is just a false, ugly thing to say.

 

Yes, the UN partition was never agreed upon - thank you for admitting that Israel declaring independence and seizing land in 1948 was illegal - it has been illegal to seize land by force since 1945. But we never talk about this fact, and who would? It would mean that the state of Israel is illegitimate under international law. A very inconvenient truth. 

 

The seeds of today's strife were not born because Arab countries rightfully got involved in protecting the indigenous population's property and land rights. Today's strife occurred because the political Zionist movement encouraged citizens from other countries to move to the area - colonial settler-ism. Even the British balked at the sheer amount of people emigrating to the area, and knew it would cause, and was causing problems. They tried to put limits on how many could come, and the Jewish settlers declared war on the British - blowing up hotels and killing the British using terrorist tactics. Most Israelis living in Israel are settlers, or descendants of settlers to the area.This is not to say that all of them are colonialists. There is a certain percentage of Israelis who have always lived in the area, peacefully with Arabs and later on, Christians. 

 

Brainwashing is what it's called on the Israeli side. History lessons is what it might be called on the other side. Could you imagine if we were not allowed to teach kids about the holocaust because it might incite hatred towards Germans? No, that would be a ridiculous thing to say. Why should the Palestinians not be able to talk about their history without it being called brainwashing techniques to hate Jewish people? The fact that Israel was created in Palestinian lands, and that they were removed and murdered in 1948 is just truth. Another inconvenient truth, but it is true.

 

Resisting occupation has been tried peacefully. The Great March of Return was a hugely peaceful protest whereby not a single Israeli was hurt or killed. Tens of thousands of Palestinians were left with horrible, life changing amputations due to Israeli snipers shooting them. Hundreds were killed, including an internationally renowned journalist. So these guys get shot at and killed if they peacefully protest, arrested without charges in the west bank, shot at and killed living in Gaza and West bank, what the hell are they supposed to do? Let this situation continue forever while Israel slowly but surely takes all of the West Bank?

 

The rape claim has been retracted by the New York Times - the outlet that tried to verify the claims made by Israel. The fact is, there is NO evidence of any rapes during the attack.

You are about as far down the rabbit hole or should I say terror tunnels as those UN agency terrorists in Gaza. To deny that any rapes took place on Oct 7th disqualifies you from have any sense of reality or credibility. What a horrible person you are.

[Brickleberry]

8 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

You are about as far down the rabbit hole or should I say terror tunnels as those UN agency terrorists in Gaza. To deny that any rapes took place on Oct 7th disqualifies you from have any sense of reality or credibility. What a horrible person you are.

Until any evidence is produced, then it should not be taken as the truth. In Western civilization, you are innocent until proven guilty.

[coolcarer]

4 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

Until any evidence is produced, then it should not be taken as the truth. In Western civilization, you are innocent until proven guilty.

Terrorists are not part of western civilization. Plenty of evidence that had already been discussed and linked to in the many other topics. Back to my original response which has just been confirmed.

17 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

You are about as far down the rabbit hole or should I say terror tunnels as those UN agency terrorists in Gaza. To deny that any rapes took place on Oct 7th disqualifies you from have any sense of reality or credibility. What a horrible person you are.

 

[Hanaguma]

21 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

You are about as far down the rabbit hole or should I say terror tunnels as those UN agency terrorists in Gaza. To deny that any rapes took place on Oct 7th disqualifies you from have any sense of reality or credibility. What a horrible person you are.

Would love to know the legitimate reasons that Jews were expelled from Muslim countries.  Also, I notice you never answered about specifically what homes the Palestinians should be allowed to return to, and who has that right.

 

Your apology for the terrorists is indeed foul.  Evidence of sexual violence abound, the media has been shown repeated videos shot by the terrorists themselves. From one eye witness;

 

"Some women were raped before they were dead, some raped while injured, and some were already dead when the terrorists raped their lifeless bodies," his statement says. "I desperately wanted to help, but there was nothing I could do."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

12 bad apples, out of 13,000. Sort it out guys.

 

You don't leave 2 million people starving and dying of disease because 12 idiots might have done something. You don't do it if 12 idiots did do something. It is an infinitesimally small number. The NHS hasn't been dismantled after nurses and doctors have been caught killing patients. The police haven't been de funded despite several officers getting thrown in jail for rape and murder.

 

Why isn't AN sharing stories about Israel openly calling for the destruction of UNRWA? Certainly puts all of this into context. But no, they would rather feed you more biased - unconfirmed drivel.

 

Why are they not sharing stories about the rallies held over this weekend to re-colonize Gaza with 1/3 of the cabinet in attendance - in direct contravention of ICJ orders to incite genocide?

 

Why isn't AN sharing stories about Israeli citizens blocking aid to Gaza for the last few days - in direct contravention of ICJ orders to increase aid into Gaza?

 

Why don't we have some parity AN? Fairness.

 

Blinken & Biden are so far up Israel's genocidal backside that one cannot tell where one starts and the other ends. This is not a news story, it is a hit piece.

 

Never forget guys: Israel is a pariah state. It is a state that has been found to be plausibly committing genocide. Why on earth would we listen to anything they say? They have been caught so many times bending the truth & flat out lying.

 

  A.N is an ASEANOW forum and its not an Israel forum 

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5 hours ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Never forget guys: Israel is a pariah state. It is a state that has been found to be plausibly committing genocide. Why on earth would we listen to anything they say? They have been caught so many times bending the truth & flat out lying.

 

  Actually made me laugh , there you are accusing others of bending the truth and flat out lying whilst you yourself bending the truth about Israel being found guilty of committing genocide 

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

Until any evidence is produced, then it should not be taken as the truth. In Western civilization, you are innocent until proven guilty.

You are guilty now of being an apologist who denies the truth of what happened.

 

A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women in the attacks on Israel

 

Onto the topic:

 

Today's full special PMO briefing on @UNRWA’s complicity with Hamas and its employees’ participation in 10/7 >>>

 

 

[johng]

35 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Evidence of sexual violence abound, the media has been shown repeated videos shot by the terrorists themselves.

 

Remember when Biden said he had seen video of beheaded baby's ?

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15 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Remember when Biden said he had seen video of beheaded baby's ?

 

   Joe Biden seems rather confused much of the time and he doesn't make much sense much of the time