When it comes to abortion rights, you should be scared

[Social Media]

 

The upcoming 2024 election has brought the issue of abortion rights to the forefront, with Donald Trump and the Republican Party attempting to position themselves on the topic. In the face of Roe v. Wade's reversal, the anti-abortion movement is working to downplay the consequences of abortion bans and distort the Republican Party's stance on restricting abortion. This strategy is not unexpected given the widespread support for legal abortion access in the United States and Vice President Kamala Harris's vocal advocacy for reproductive freedom.

 

Despite efforts to sugarcoat the GOP's record on abortion, the majority of Americans oppose a nationwide abortion ban and view the overturning of Roe v. Wade negatively. In battleground states, voters express concern about Republican policies on abortion, and rightfully so. Since the Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, 21 states have passed abortion bans or restrictions, limiting reproductive rights for a significant portion of the population.

 

Heartbreaking stories, like that of Dr. Austin Dennard and Anya Cook, highlight the real-life consequences of restrictive abortion laws. The anti-abortion movement's attempt to portray itself as "pro-mothers" is hypocritical, especially considering the increased maternal mortality rates in states with abortion bans.

 

Trump and the GOP proudly celebrate the overturning of Roe v. Wade and have expressed intentions to further restrict abortion rights. Nikki Haley and other Republican leaders have signaled support for stringent abortion bans, indicating a troubling agenda that threatens individual freedoms. Looking ahead to 2025, the anti-abortion movement, bolstered by GOP support, plans to pursue various avenues to limit reproductive freedoms.

 

In the 2024 election, voters must recognize the stakes at hand. The choice is between a Biden-Harris ticket that champions individual autonomy over one that embraces a draconian agenda where politicians dictate personal decisions. The Biden campaign, led by Harris, is sounding the alarm on the potential consequences of another Trump presidency, emphasizing the importance of protecting abortion rights.

 

We cannot be deceived by softened rhetoric or attempts to minimize the reality of a post-Roe America. Republicans have made their intentions clear, and we must believe them and vote accordingly to safeguard our fundamental freedoms.

 

20.02.24

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[gargamon]

Add another item to the list of f-ups the Republican have done or are doing that will cost them the next election.

1. Abortion

2. Failure to pass bipartisan immigration bill

3. Failure to fund Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan

 

Keep it up boys. Give away a big majority. See statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. 15 supreme court justices. Etc. Keep it up, please. 

[LosLobo]

The Republican Party has traditionally championed limited government intervention, advocating for individual liberty.

However, their recent policies on abortion and contraception, coupled with their tacit support of misogyny and sexual assault, starkly contrast their foundational principles and may alienate many women voters.
 

Note: In recent years, the number of women registered to vote in the U.S. has typically exceeded the number of men by approximately 10 million, highlighting significant gender differences in voter turnout.

Gender Differences in Voter Turnout
 

[Trippy]

Does the baby have any rights?

[heybruce]

31 minutes ago, Trippy said:

Does the baby have any rights?

Are you referring to a fetus with not functioning brain?

[Berkshire]

9 hours ago, gargamon said:

Add another item to the list of f-ups the Republican have done or are doing that will cost them the next election.

1. Abortion

2. Failure to pass bipartisan immigration bill

3. Failure to fund Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan

 

Keep it up boys. Give away a big majority. See statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. 15 supreme court justices. Etc. Keep it up, please. 

Yeap, and with government shutdowns looming (right wingers love a good shutdown), the democrats might just win the POTUS, House, and Senate. 

[Trippy]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Are you referring to a fetus with not functioning brain?

No, I'm referring to an end of second trimester baby who could live outside the womb, and become a perfectly normal child. A friend of mine has 2 that were born just before the 6 month mark and are now both normal and healthy. 

[Trippy]

11 hours ago, gargamon said:

Add another item to the list of f-ups the Republican have done or are doing that will cost them the next election.

1. Abortion The supreme court did that.

2. Failure to pass bipartisan immigration bill That allowed 5,000 unvetted migrants in per day, that's 1.8 million a year.

3. Failure to fund Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan With no corresponding way to pay for it. Borrow to give away. 

 

Keep it up boys. Give away a big majority. See statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. 15 supreme court justices. Etc. Keep it up, please. 

I don't like either side, but get your facts straight.

Edited February 20 by Trippy

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33 minutes ago, Trippy said:

No, I'm referring to an end of second trimester baby who could live outside the womb, and become a perfectly normal child. A friend of mine has 2 that were born just before the 6 month mark and are now both normal and healthy. 

First off, Roe v. Wade allowed for restrictions on abortions if the fetus was viable.

"The 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision recognized abortion as “a fundamental right” nationwide but stated that after the stage of viability, states could regulate abortions with the exception of when they were “necessary, in appropriate medical judgement'' to preserve the life or health of the pregnant woman."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/06/tough-questions-answers-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/

Second. The vast majority of abortions take place before 21 weeks.

"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 1.3 percent of abortions were performed at or greater than 21 weeks of gestation in 2015. In contrast, 91.1 percent were performed at or before 13 weeks and 7.6 percent at 14 to 20 weeks."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/06/tough-questions-answers-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/

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Apparently, even destroying a zygote in now judged to be a wrongful death. At least in Alabama.

 

Alabama Supreme Court rules frozen embryos are children, cites the Bible in opinion

“When the People of Alabama adopted (the ‘sanctity of life’ provision of the state constitution), they did not use the term ‘inviolability,’ with its secular connotations, but rather they chose the term ‘sanctity,’ with all of its connotations,” Parker wrote. “This kind of acceptance is not foreign to our Constitution, which in its preamble ‘invok[es] the favor and guidance of Almighty God,’ … and which declares that ‘all men … are endowed [with life] by their Creator.’ ”

https://www.alreporter.com/2024/02/19/alabama-supreme-court-rules-frozen-embryos-are-children-cites-the-bible-in-opinion/

This quote is from the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. And in a written decision, where you think he had the time to reflect over what he's written, he claimed that the references to Almighty God, etc are found in the US Constitution. It is to laugh.

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1 hour ago, Trippy said:

I don't like either side, but get your facts straight.

Another case of I don't like Trump but...

Really? Trump chose these justices without any reference to where they stood on abortion?

" Donald Trump took credit Wednesday for the elimination of Roe v. Wade, embracing his role in selecting the Supreme Court justices who were instrumental in ending the half-century precedent that protected abortion rights nationwide.

“After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the ‘shock’ of everyone,” Trump, the former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination, said on his social media platform."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcna84897

 

What you don't understand about immigration is that it's a 2 way street. Immigrants also leave the US. It's the balance that counts. What's more, if Republicans were really serious about stopping undocumented immigration they could make it a criminal offense for employers to hire the undocumented. But as everyone knows, certain industries depend on them.

 

Given that Republicans have repeatedly supported unfunded tax cuts, what makes you think that they are concerned about debt?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Trippy said:

No, I'm referring to an end of second trimester baby who could live outside the womb, and become a perfectly normal child. A friend of mine has 2 that were born just before the 6 month mark and are now both normal and healthy. 

I assume this means you are ok with abortion being legal up to the point of fetal viability. 

 

I agree.  I also think that making abortion legal and available early in the pregnancy will greatly reduce the already minuscule number of abortions done after fetal viability due to extreme health risks to the mother.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Trippy said:

Does the baby have any rights?

Not until it’s a baby it doesn’t.

[Dolf]

17 hours ago, gargamon said:

Add another item to the list of f-ups the Republican have done or are doing that will cost them the next election.

1. Abortion

2. Failure to pass bipartisan immigration bill

3. Failure to fund Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan

 

Keep it up boys. Give away a big majority. See statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. 15 supreme court justices. Etc. Keep it up, please. 

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2024/01/04/joe-bidens-chances-do-not-look-good-the-democrats-have-no-plan-b

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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not until it’s a baby it doesn’t.

Actually, Roe v. Wade allowed for prohibitions against abortion. once the fetus is viable.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Dolf said:

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2024/01/04/joe-bidens-chances-do-not-look-good-the-democrats-have-no-plan-b

I read that when it first came out.  Did you?

 

"Campaign staffers point to the mid-terms as proof that Republican candidates who champion abortion and reject the election results of 2020 will fare poorly. "  https://www.economist.com/briefing/2024/01/04/joe-bidens-chances-do-not-look-good-the-democrats-have-no-plan-b

[KhunLA]

I don't remember a national election when abortion / right to life, or laws to regulate, was not an issue.  And it will be forever, same as it was before & after Roe vs Wade.

 

it's what politicians do, argue and talk about issues that have been resolved with laws (state & local), that they have no control over, with 'what if' scenarios, instead of actually fixing problems on a national/federal level, that need fixing.

 

Simple distraction from their failed administrations.

Edited February 20 by KhunLA

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/20/2024 at 10:49 AM, Social Media said:

This strategy is not unexpected given the widespread support for legal abortion access in the United States and Vice President Kamala Harris's vocal advocacy for reproductive freedom.

Let's be clear about it, it's killing an unborn human being, not disposing of a tumour, no matter how they term it.

 

Not that I'm opposed to it at all. I see no difference in killing an unborn human being as against sending them to die in war after they grow up a bit, I just don't like the attempt to describe an unborn human as disposable waste tissue.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I don't remember a national election when abortion / right to life, or laws to regulate, was not an issue.  And it will be forever, same as it was before & after Roe vs Wade.

 

it's what politicians do, argue and talk about issues that have been resolved with laws (state & local), that they have no control over, with 'what if' scenarios, instead of actually fixing problems on a national/federal level, that need fixing.

 

Simple distraction from their failed administrations.

It's called deflecting. Look at this here while I mess up your lives over there.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/20/2024 at 10:49 AM, Social Media said:

In the 2024 election, voters must recognize the stakes at hand. The choice is between a Biden-Harris ticket that champions individual autonomy over one that embraces a draconian agenda where politicians dictate personal decisions. The Biden campaign, led by Harris, is sounding the alarm on the potential consequences of another Trump presidency, emphasizing the importance of protecting abortion rights.

No bias in evidence then?

 

IMO it's normally the left wing that seeks to control every aspect of life, and the right wing that emphasises individual rights.

[stevenl]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No bias in evidence then?

 

IMO it's normally the left wing that seeks to control every aspect of life, and the right wing that emphasises individual rights.

You're living in the past.