FruitPudding Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 12 minutes ago, giddyup said: So he beats her up, she retaliates, he comes back to beat he some more, and she acted poorly? - She left her trolley blocking the aisle. - He moved it. - She confronted him and accused him of being impolite. So far, it's only her who is wrong (×2) - Then, he attacks her and walks away. He is obviously wrong here to escalate it and to such a violent degree. - She throws a bottle at him in retaliation and then he goes back again and retaliates. Both wrong at this point. They were basically having a fight together and I have no judgement. If they wanna fight, let them. But he shouldn't have started the violence to begin with, even though she started the confrontation. Two wrongs don't make a right. Ultimately, he is more wrong for escalating it to that level. Edited March 6 by FruitPudding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, rudi49jr said: Judging by many of your posts, pedantic obnoxiousness seems to be your go-to reaction. And no, English is not my first language, it’s Dutch. Is your Dutch good enough to post on a Dutch language forum? That explains your attitude then. 1 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, rudi49jr said: Judging by many of your posts, pedantic obnoxiousness seems to be your go-to reaction. And no, English is not my first language, it’s Dutch. Is your Dutch good enough to post on a Dutch language forum? He can't help it. 1000+ posts in 2 weeks after his reincarnation....... 3 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, FruitPudding said: - She left her trolley blocking the aisle. - He moved it. - She confronted him and accused him of being impolite. So far, it's only her who is wrong so far (×2) - Then, he attacks her and walks away. He is obviously wrong here to escalate it and to such a violent degree. - She throws a bottle at him in retaliation and then he goes back again and retaliates. Both wrong at this point. They were basically having a fight together and I have no judgement. If they wanna fight, let them. But he shouldn't have started the violence to begin with, even though she started the confrontation. Two wrongs don't make a right. Ultimately, he is more wrong for escalating it to that level. Sounds about right but he's a man. Men should not hit women. He should have just used a few words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andycoops Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 It seems the yodelling nation is in a severe emotional crisis perhaps because of the lack of any proper instruments to practice with and the rarity of thin mountain air. Time to impose a ban. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, Dolf said: Sounds about right but he's a man. Men should not hit women. He should have just used a few words. Well, that's a little old fashioned. Would it be OK for him to hit a man under the same circumstances? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 33 minutes ago, RobU said: Toblerone is no longer manufactured on Switzerland It is,some production moved to Slovakia. I reckon it's made in Gaza, explaining the mood changes! 😡 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Well it sure has been a bad week for the Swiss. What rocks are these creeps crawling out from under? Most Swiss I'm know are quite decent people. Why is it that people just can't show some respect for the local people? Who beats up an older woman, who beats up any woman? Who are these people? Let us hope that he gets pretty significant punishment for this barbaric act, and it acts as a deterrent to thwart the actions of fools in the future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, FruitPudding said: Well, that's a little old fashioned. Would it be OK for him to hit a man under the same circumstances? No but it's better than hitting some tiny woman. Better to just say "lowlife" or whatever and walk away. Using violence now makes him a lowlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 11 minutes ago, FruitPudding said: - She left her trolley blocking the aisle. - He moved it. - She confronted him and accused him of being impolite. So far, it's only her who is wrong (×2) - Then, he attacks her and walks away. He is obviously wrong here to escalate it and to such a violent degree. - She throws a bottle at him in retaliation and then he goes back again and retaliates. Both wrong at this point. They were basically having a fight together and I have no judgement. If they wanna fight, let them. But he shouldn't have started the violence to begin with, even though she started the confrontation. Two wrongs don't make a right. Ultimately, he is more wrong for escalating it to that level. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryWho Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Release both of these guys, and let the Thai people take care of them. Problem solved. No time and money wasted on investigations, charges, deportation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, spidermike007 said: Why is it that people just can't show some respect for the local people? Respect is in short supply in Thailand. They are very passively disrespectful in general. Just now, spidermike007 said: Who beats up an older woman, who beats up any woman? Who are these people? Well, I've never beaten up anyone, but we don't have to make this about male and female. Women are not special creatures. And the guy himself is old too. Just now, spidermike007 said: Let us hope that he gets pretty significant punishment for this barbaric act, and it acts as a deterrent to thwart the actions of fools in the future. I am sure a lynch party is on it's way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FruitPudding Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, Dolf said: What would you do? I'd move her cart and probably mutter profanities to myself while shaking my head. I mean, we see this kind of ignorance daily from them. You can't fight them all. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 minutes ago, HarryWho said: Release both of these guys, and let the Thai people take care of them. Problem solved. No time and money wasted on investigations, charges, deportation. What about the Thais who kill people on the roads? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, FruitPudding said: Respect is in short supply in Thailand. They are very passively disrespectful in general. Well, I've never beaten up anyone, but we don't have to make this about male and female. Women are not special creatures. And the guy himself is old too. I am sure a lynch party is on it's way. Well I'm not condoning violence, and I'm not a big street brawler myself, but there are a few things in this world that are lower than a man beating up a woman, that is just absolutely pathetic. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 There's got to be more to this story than we are hearing ...... is the Swiss guy pregnant. it must be ' get the Swiss ' month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 29 minutes ago, Dolf said: Your posts don't make any sense. Not to someone with no logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renaissanc Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Why do some European men feel the need to hit a woman? If someone bumped into me, I'd apologize because it was probably my fault. If it wasn't, the apology will smooth things over. The man shouldn't despair though because he will lose his fat stomach while in jail. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, giddyup said: Not to someone with no logic. Not to anyone. Is there a point to you quoting me 10 times? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Swift Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Any man that physically abuses a woman is a coward and a vile human being. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Drake Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, riclag said: A Bad guy ! According to my resident expert here, at home. The Thai had her shopping cart in the middle of the aisle . The Swiss guy abruptly pushed it out of the way. The lady said in English ,Please be polite ! Then his assault took place on her. The lady got angry and threw a bottle at him . He went after her again with vengeance! Aisles in Tops and Foodland seem to be crowded like that. Not so much Lotus. I encounter a cart jam just about every time I go to these stores. I just stand there and wait for them to move. Not punching, shoving, or yelling. What was so important in this guy's life that he couldn't wait a few seconds or even a minute for the woman to move out of the way? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mran66 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Swiss rating on Thai-farang fight list improving for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger70 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 hours ago, Pouatchee said: although i often am the devil's advocate, in this case the guy deserves to do time. we complain when migrants commit crimes back home, but we need to remember that we are guests here. this guy beat up a woman... and yes indeed, let's hope that one day justice is blind and all get punished the same according to the law... thaksin comes to mind That's one thing that will Never happen. Money Talks, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 hours ago, BritManToo said: Let's hope the Thai woman who hit and run killed a 73 year old Swiss tourist in Pattaya last night gets similar attention. Agreed... Are you refering to this; on Feb 26 - or was there another incidient of a 73 year old being hit on Thailands roads ?? Swiss cyclist killed in hit and Run.... I completely agree... Death by Dangerous Driving - the charges should most definitely be severe. But also, this Swiss attacker needs to be charged with Aggravated Assault.... Not defending the swiss-man in the slightest... But I have a leg injury and am in and out of the hospital a lot, when there I'm put into a wheel chair for ease of getting around from room to room etc... On every visit so far I've had to shout 'STOP'... at someone who's waling while watching their phone and about walk into me (which would hurt me a lot)... So, I have some sympathy at those who get annoyed with people repeatedly bumping into them through no other reason than carelessness.... (and my Wife is just as bad... unaware of surroundings, she'll be deep in conversation with someone stood right in everyones way... then point to something in the middle of a conversation and nearly poke a passerby's eye).... So... For sure 100% against the Swiss guy for this deplorable attack... But also point out that a lot of people could be more careful and have greater regard for their surroundings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Drake Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 47 minutes ago, IndomitableSpirit said: This. All it takes is an "excuse me" or "kindly move your cart pls." I don't like people leaving their carts in the aisle too, but I don't move it without acknowledging them first in a respectful manner. Most of the time they smile and apologize, then we move along. There are few who can be really rude and not move as if they own that aisle(noticed it with mostly older Thais), but are they worth my time and energy? Is it worth seeing myself in a police station afterwards? Heck NO! Some people just don't know how to choose their battles or rather choose suffering! Or, even, if it's crowded, just turn your cart around and go the other way and come around. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Agreed... Are you refering to this; on Feb 26 - or was there another incidient of a 73 year old being hit on Thailands roads ?? Swiss cyclist killed in hit and Run.... I completely agree... Death by Dangerous Driving - the charges should most definitely be severe. But also, this Swiss attacker needs to be charged with Aggravated Assault.... Not defending the swiss-man in the slightest... But I have a leg injury and am in and out of the hospital a lot, when there I'm put into a wheel chair for ease of getting around from room to room etc... On every visit so far I've had to shout 'STOP'... at someone who's waling while watching their phone and about walk into me (which would hurt me a lot)... So, I have some sympathy at those who get annoyed with people repeatedly bumping into them through no other reason than carelessness.... (and my Wife is just as bad... unaware of surroundings, she'll be deep in conversation with someone stood right in everyones way... then point to something in the middle of a conversation and nearly poke a passerby's eye).... So... For sure 100% against the Swiss guy for this deplorable attack... But also point out that a lot of people could be more careful and have greater regard for their surroundings. 10 years jail 3 months jail for the shopping centre guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ausie11 Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 7 hours ago, ezzra said: I think there was enough and much more that have been said about this subject, yes, this guy is an a-hole and by now he got or will get what he deserves, but not like he murdered or rapped someone, not as if the locals are white doves in their treatments of their fellow Thais, so ok, the message was clear and everyone learned a lot from it... And very interesting how is that always one side of the story. 60 years old man suddenly goes ballistic, and "unprovoked" beats a woman. Something just not right about it. Not that I am defending him, no way, he deserves harsh punishment, but all these one sided story just don't seat right with me 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Swift Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 6 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said: Another Swiss, and here on retirement? If there is a crackdown on long-term visas soon, what are the odds that we have to thank those two perpetrators and the highly publicised incidents? "Another" Swiss? Really? How many acts of violence against Thai women have there been over the last 10 - 20 years? Probably at least 2 of them were Swiss. Whoopee. That means nothing. And how many British. And Russian. And Indian. And Chinese. Are you saying that Switzerland will be seen as a breeding ground for violent offenders just because of two incidents? That distinction clearly belongs to Americans and their 2nd amendment wackos. . Seems like Aussies have a pretty good criminal history here, and the Chinese mafia, but you think just a couple Swiss guys are going to bring immigration to bear against law abiding retirees? And how many offenders were tourists, how many were retirees, how many had marriage visas and beat on their Thai wives? Did you bother to check? Or do you have no need for facts to support your comments? So, to follow your logic then, you think that immigration will look at a handful of incidents pertaining to retirees, compared to hundreds and hundreds of acts of violence against women that have nothing to do with retirees, and they will conclude that it's necessary to "crack down" on long term visas? Crack down how? Make them fill out a form promising not to beat on Thai ladies? Take a psychological profile test for psychopaths? I don't know how long you've been here but you have a poor grasp of how immigration actually thinks and works. These crimes have been here ever since Thailand became Thailand and not Siam. Thai immigration and law enforcement have a pretty good handle on what's going on and what can be done about it. You can never prevent the crimes, only prosecute them after the fact, same as in every country. So, to answer your rather absurd question, the odds of anything happening because of two Swiss guys is basically 0. Are you from the UK? UK guys love to complain about Thailand even though it's a hundred times better here than where they came from. You know what your problem is? (pretend I'm your psychiatrist) You overdramatize because you enjoy it, you jump to conclusions based on your prejudices and limited observations of very few actual facts, not based on the big picture, then you want to sound smarter than you are, when in fact the opposite happens. It's not hard to actually research topics before you comment. And it's never too late to go back to school, I hear the schools here are quite good. Edited March 6 by Jonathan Swift 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimTripper Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 hours ago, Pouatchee said: hmmmm, as long as you can get deported you are a guest. only when you are deported, not when you are here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Dwyer Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said: You don't think she should, then? @BritManToo made a perfectly valid comment. She should get similar attention yes, but in another thread, using “ whataboutery “ here only dilutes the severity of this incident. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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