owl sees all Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: Hamas can be eradicated and the process is already in motion IMO, all these new young western supporters of Palestine are having a detrimental effect on their cause I don't hear of many Hamas being captured or killed. Just women and kids dying. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 4 minutes ago, owl sees all said: I don't hear of many Hamas being captured or killed. Just women and kids dying. That shows that you don't know what is going on in Gaza and that you only listen to pro Hamas news outlets . Other Unbiased media outlets give different reports about there being minimal civilian casualties compared to other wars 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: That shows that you don't know what is going on in Gaza and that you only listen to pro Hamas news outlets . Other Unbiased media outlets give different reports about there being minimal civilian casualties compared to other wars Realy Nick. The IDF force said that 20% of the people killed in Gaza were Hamas. So the 80% were not. That's about 25k+. Mostly women and kids. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Media Posted May 19 Author Share Posted May 19 There is a recent dedicated topic to Casually figures here: UN Cuts Death of Women and Children in Gaza by Half https://aseannow.com/topic/1327151-un-cuts-death-of-women-and-children-in-gaza-by-half/ If you want to carry on that discussion then I suggest you do so there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hummin Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Hamas can be eradicated and the process is already in motion IMO, all these new young western supporters of Palestine are having a detrimental effect on their cause The more I read of pro Israelis, I truly believe they hurt Israelis cause as much as pro Palestinians do, if not more. To many hardcore religious nut cases, and also people without emphasis for palestinian women and children who never have been privileged, though living inside Gaza, resticted freedom, controlled by Isreal and Hamas. All of them forced away from their homes, bombed, shot at, starved and with no safe heavens anywhere. Thats inhumane 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 22 minutes ago, Hummin said: The more I read of pro Israelis, I truly believe they hurt Israelis cause as much as pro Palestinians do, if not more. To many hardcore religious nut cases, and also people without emphasis for palestinian women and children who never have been privileged, though living inside Gaza, resticted freedom, controlled by Isreal and Hamas. All of them forced away from their homes, bombed, shot at, starved and with no safe heavens anywhere. Thats inhumane War isn't pleasant at all and people suffer in wars . Hostages are being help in inhumane conditions and the only way to release them is to go into Gaza and get them . Hamas are causing all the suffering of the Israelis and Palestinians 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: War isn't pleasant at all and people suffer in wars . Hostages are being help in inhumane conditions and the only way to release them is to go into Gaza and get them . Hamas are causing all the suffering of the Israelis and Palestinians Again going in circles, Sorry to say, Israels tactics have failed. Israel have failed the hostages by their invasion. Thats a fact 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 5 minutes ago, Hummin said: Again going in circles, Sorry to say, Israels tactics have failed. Israel have failed the hostages by their invasion. Thats a fact You're the only one going in circles. That's the fact. It was global hostage day yesterday. Listen/read what they had to say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Hamas tactics, hide amongst the civilians even with your RPG This Islamic Jihad fighter is doing the old "hide my rifle or RPG in a rug while wearing civilian clothing, so the IDF does not notice I am a terrorist" tactic. https://x.com/JoeTruzman/status/1791965103241490837 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wobblybob Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 10 minutes ago, Hummin said: Again going in circles, Sorry to say, Israels tactics have failed. Israel have failed the hostages by their invasion. Thats a fact You saying that the Israeli tactics has failed is simply not true, they would have failed the hostages by not trying to save them and by not going into Gaza would have left the door open for future hostage taking and massacres. Now that's what I call a fact! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 14 minutes ago, Hummin said: Again going in circles, Sorry to say, Israels tactics have failed. Israel have failed the hostages by their invasion. Thats a fact Its an on going process and soon all the hostages will be freed . Rafah is the final place . Its also not a fact that Israel have failed the hostages , that's just your opinion 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 57 minutes ago, Hummin said: To many hardcore religious nut cases, and also people without emphasis for palestinian women and children who never have been privileged, though living inside Gaza, resticted freedom, controlled by Isreal and Hamas I agree with you, and this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, Neeranam said: I agree with you, and this guy. Cloud cuckoo land. How do you get to a 2 state solution Neeranam? What needs to happen first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 hour ago, owl sees all said: I don't hear of many Hamas being captured or killed. Just women and kids dying. They capture UN medical experts, who are reportedly tortured to death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 5 minutes ago, Neeranam said: I agree with you, and this guy. Hopefully when Hamas have been eliminated and a new Palestinian leadership emerges , hopefully they will agree to a two state solution and they recognise Israel's right to exist . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 56 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Cloud cuckoo land. How do you get to a 2 state solution Neeranam? What needs to happen first? Can't see a 2 state ever working. One answer could be one state where everyone is equal. and has equal rights. Any land that has been taken. given back to the people who it rightly belongs to. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Just now, owl sees all said: Can't see a 2 state ever working. One answer could be one state where everyone is equal. and has equal rights. Any land that has been taken. given back to the people who it rightly belongs to. To Palestinians, that's all of Israel, so nice try, no cigar. I agree two states can't work but neither can one state as you've described. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: Hopefully when Hamas have been eliminated and a new Palestinian leadership emerges , hopefully they will agree to a two state solution and they recognise Israel's right to exist . I'm more hawkish than you influenced by reality. Neither side wants a two state solution. October 7 terrorists went after the most PEACENIK segments of the Israeli public. Trust in Palestinians has been killed completely for generations. Yes it was already bad but now it is totally gone. Israel cannot and will not agree to a two state solution. They will correctly see that as a way for the Arab side to consolidate their military for their real and clear goal -- totally wiping out Israel. No other sovereign state would voluntary agree to designing their own national suicide. Why does much of the world expect the one tiny Jewish nation to do what they would never do? Edited May 19 by Jingthing 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, owl sees all said: Can't see a 2 state ever working. One answer could be one state where everyone is equal. and has equal rights. Any land that has been taken. given back to the people who it rightly belongs to. Complex subject that requires more than a tweet and a whole lot of other steps to fall in place first. Like end to the war, easily done by releasing the hostages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Complex subject that requires more than a tweet and a whole lot of other steps to fall in place first. Like end to the war, easily done by releasing the hostages. Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, owl sees all said: Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that. So the Israelis are holding innocent toddlers and elderly Arab holocaust survivors? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 Just now, owl sees all said: Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that. You just blew it, pathetic response 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 12 minutes ago, owl sees all said: Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that. Are you trolling ? Israel isn't holding any hostages , its just Hamas who are holding hostages 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinny41 Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Are you trolling ? Israel isn't holding any hostages , its just Hamas who are holding hostages How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge? About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial. Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails 1 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 5 minutes ago, vinny41 said: How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge? About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial. Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails They are not being held hostage though 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 8 minutes ago, vinny41 said: How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge? About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial. Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails One of the children, 17 years old and they are not being held hostage. This is a hostage who was also raped before being taken to Gaza and where she is probably still getting raped in the hellish tunnels: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Just now, Nick Carter icp said: They are not being held hostage though Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Just now, vinny41 said: Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45 Another hostage just retrieved by the IDF, murdered by Hamas and held hostage for over 200 days: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nick Carter icp Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 2 hours ago, vinny41 said: Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45 Look up the word "Hostage". A person being held and demands being made for their release . No demands are being made or wanted for the Palestine release from jail 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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