4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Stop being dramatic and start thinking logically. The terrorist that was killed was part of the group that wishes to remove the Israelis from their land. In war when you are fighting the enemy they are to be eliminated, it is either you or them.

You take the killing of terrorists very seriously but innocent Israelis not so much. 

Who has said that I think this is hilarious, not me, oh that's correct, something else you have made up to spice up your posts, it was not hilarious, it was necessary!

I may be at times dramatic, but I am thinking logically - and, more importantly, fairly.

There is no evidence that the man in the video is or was a terrorist. And there's no evidence that the man in the video wants to remove the Israelis from their land. It is only obvious that he wants to protect his home and homeland, and I believe he wants to remove Israelis from it. 

I take the killing of anyone very seriously, but I understand how the killing of terrorists and those who invade your country can be justified. I do take the killing of innocent Israelis seriously, and also the killing of innocent Palestinians, which you seem not to.

Bkk Brian posted the video and described it as "hilarious."

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Terrorists are people who have committed terrorism.

The whole Hamas military wing is delegated a terror organization. You are a terrorist belonging to them.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I saw the video and read the link, but I do not expect you to believe the IDF at all. That would be too much to ask

Wow! This is another one of your posts with which I agree! It is too much to ask me to believe the IDF...

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I see the Al Jazeera links you put up...............

And the IDF links and quotes you put up........

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

The whole Hamas military wing is delegated a terror organization. You are a terrorist belonging to them.

 

That's not universally true. Ask Amnesty International for a start. I stand by by assertion that terrorists are only people credibly accused (at least) of having committed or planning a terrorist act. Proof is required.

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The whole Hamas military wing is delegated a terror organization. You are a terrorist belonging to them.

 

 

 

The last part of that statement is hilarious! 

Just now, WDSmart said:

And the IDF links and quotes you put up........

Yes, what about them?

 

The Growing List of Al Jazeera Terrorists

https://www.commentary.org/jonathan-schanzer/the-growing-list-of-al-jazeera-terrorists/

 

Al Jazeera journalist reportedly moonlights as Hamas commander claims IDF

https://aseannow.com/topic/1319746-al-jazeera-journalist-reportedly-moonlights-as-hamas-commander-claims-idf/

 

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

That's not universally true. Ask Amnesty International for a start. I stand by by assertion that terrorists are only people credibly accused (at least) of having committed or planning a terrorist act. Proof is required.

Who cares, this is about terrorists trying to ambush the IDF, I'm finished entertaining your deflection

 

 

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I may be at times dramatic, but I am thinking logically - and, more importantly, fairly.

There is no evidence that the man in the video is or was a terrorist. And there's no evidence that the man in the video wants to remove the Israelis from their land. It is only obvious that he wants to protect his home and homeland, and I believe he wants to remove Israelis from it. 

I take the killing of anyone very seriously, but I understand how the killing of terrorists and those who invade your country can be justified. I do take the killing of innocent Israelis seriously, and also the killing of innocent Palestinians, which you seem not to.

Bkk Brian posted the video and described it as "hilarious."

 

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

He was in Gaza, in his homeland. He was not committing horrific acts in Israel, and there is no way for the IDF to know if he did, at least if they killed him as described. 

Can't you see that videos like this of someone about to be killed are just like the videos of the people killed and hostages taken on Oct 7?  You thought those were horrible. Why, then, would you think one like this is "hilarious"?

You have made a fool of yourself again by repeatedly accusing me of saying things I haven't, I would appreciate it if you could be a little less duplicitous, it ruins the debate when you make stories up.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

And the IDF links and quotes you put up........

Yes, what about them?

They are as believable to me as the Al Jazeerah links are to you.

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

They are as believable to me as the Al Jazeerah links are to you.

Yes I agree with you, they are believable to you I know but still could not care less about what you believe or not

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

 

You have made a fool of yourself again by repeatedly accusing me of saying things I haven't, I would appreciate it if you could be a little less duplicitous, it ruins the debate when you make stories up.

I said, then, that it was Bkk Brian who posted the video and called it "hilarious." You agreed with almost everything he then said. That was the gist of my remark. What ruins the debate (I'd call it an "argument") is when you get offended at something I've said that is a bit misdirected. Just call me out on it and be done with it. I guarantee I will never accuse you of something you said if I know you didn't. You say enough things of which I disagree that I don't have to make any up,

Just now, WDSmart said:

I said, then, that it was Bkk Brian who posted the video and called it "hilarious." You agreed with almost everything he then said. That was the gist of my remark. What ruins the debate (I'd call it an "argument") is when you get offended at something I've said that is a bit misdirected. Just call me out on it and be done with it. I guarantee I will never accuse you of something you said if I know you didn't. You say enough things of which I disagree that I don't have to make any up,

It is has become a habit with you of accusing others of saying something they haven't said, in my case 3 times now, please stop doing it!

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Right, so Anti Semites are all Jews , and non Jews who have an agenda against Jews are not actually Anti Semites , because Anti Semites are Jews ?

   Right ee Ho 

So its Jews who are Anti Semitic ?

Have I go that correct ?

 

Incorrect. I do not intend to go off topic, but will make one statement for the sake of clarity:

 

There are plenty of antisemites in the world, including Ashkenazi Jews who consider Semites (which include Arabs and Sephardic Jews) as inferior. A contradiction worth noting as it is those same Ashkenazi Jews who are often very active in fighting "antisemitism" in the Western world.

 

On the one hand there is the signifier, i.e. what a word actually means, and then there is the signified, i.e. what it is used to refer to for various purposes. "Antisemitism" is often – though not always – used as a political means to quell or discredit criticism of Israel.

 

Another notable contradiction in the notion of racism. Israel is an institutionally racist country (just look at the way blacks are discriminated there), yet the Ashkenazi Jews who often have dual nationality (Israel and a Western country) will typically support antiracist policies in their other country, while supporting racist policies in Israel.

 

This "rules for thee but not for me" tendency, which includes the notion of antisemitism and everything it entails, is worth mentioning.

 

 

Yea I bet the terrorist's Hamas does. If it wasn't for Russia and China hostages could be on their way home soon and a ceasefire in place. 

 

Hamas voices ‘appreciation’ for China, Russia veto of US-backed Gaza resolution

“We express our appreciation for the position of Russia, China and Algeria who rejected the biased American resolution of aggression against our people,” the Iran-backed terror group says in a statement released last night.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-voices-appreciation-for-china-russia-veto-of-us-backed-gaza-resolution/

10 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

It is has become a habit with you of accusing others of saying something they haven't said, in my case 3 times now, please stop doing it!

I'll try to not do that again. What happens, I think, is I respond to a remark on a remark I made to someone else and then don't notice that this remark is from you. Like I said, I'll try to be more careful. 

Just now, WDSmart said:

I'll try to not do that again. What happens, I think, is I respond to a remark on a remark I made to someone else and then don't notice that this remark is from you. Like I said, I'll try to be more careful. 

Thank you.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea I bet the terrorist's Hamas does. If it wasn't for Russia and China hostages could be on their way home soon and a ceasefire in place. 

 

Hamas voices ‘appreciation’ for China, Russia veto of US-backed Gaza resolution

“We express our appreciation for the position of Russia, China and Algeria who rejected the biased American resolution of aggression against our people,” the Iran-backed terror group says in a statement released last night.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-voices-appreciation-for-china-russia-veto-of-us-backed-gaza-resolution/

 

And the explanation for the veto:

 

Russia’s ambassador to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, also speaking before the vote, called on members not to vote in favor of the resolution.

He said the resolution was “exceedingly politicized” and contained an effective green light for Israel to mount a military operation in Rafah, a city on the southern tip of the Gaza Strip where more than half of its 2.3 million residents have been sheltering in makeshift tents to escape the Israeli assault farther north.

“This would free the hands of Israel and it would result in all of Gaza and its entire population having to face destruction, devastation or expulsion,” Nebenzia told the meeting.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-china-veto-us-resolution-at-un-calling-for-gaza-ceasefire-tied-to-hostage-deal/

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea I bet the terrorist's Hamas does. If it wasn't for Russia and China hostages could be on their way home soon and a ceasefire in place. 

 

Hamas voices ‘appreciation’ for China, Russia veto of US-backed Gaza resolution

“We express our appreciation for the position of Russia, China and Algeria who rejected the biased American resolution of aggression against our people,” the Iran-backed terror group says in a statement released last night.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-voices-appreciation-for-china-russia-veto-of-us-backed-gaza-resolution/

What I'd also like to know is what the Israeli [censored] government thought of the US-backed resolution.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

What I'd also like to know is what the Israeli [censored] government thought of the US-backed resolution.

It was release of all hostages for a 6 week ceasefire at least, of course they would want it, its a far better deal than the current talks in Qatar

13 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

And the explanation for the veto:

 

Russia’s ambassador to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, also speaking before the vote, called on members not to vote in favor of the resolution.

He said the resolution was “exceedingly politicized” and contained an effective green light for Israel to mount a military operation in Rafah, a city on the southern tip of the Gaza Strip where more than half of its 2.3 million residents have been sheltering in makeshift tents to escape the Israeli assault farther north.

“This would free the hands of Israel and it would result in all of Gaza and its entire population having to face destruction, devastation or expulsion,” Nebenzia told the meeting.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-china-veto-us-resolution-at-un-calling-for-gaza-ceasefire-tied-to-hostage-deal/

Russia said..............yea ok 

 

The US said:

 

After the vote, the US envoy, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, said Russia and China had opposed the resolution because they could not bring themselves to support the clauses in it condemning Hamas. “The second reason behind this veto is not just cynical, it's also petty,” Thomas-Greenfield said. “Russia and China simply did not want to vote for a resolution that was penned by the United States because they would rather see us fail than to see this council succeed.”

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Russia said..............yea ok 

 

The US said:

 

After the vote, the US envoy, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, said Russia and China had opposed the resolution because they could not bring themselves to support the clauses in it condemning Hamas. “The second reason behind this veto is not just cynical, it's also petty,” Thomas-Greenfield said.

 

The real issue is the notion of total ceasefire, which has been too ambiguously addressed according to the countries who vetoed the resolution. Still from this article:

 

Another resolution has been drafted by elected members of the council with a direct demand for a ceasefire, but Thomas-Greenfield warned that the US would veto that text if it was presented for a vote, on the grounds that it did not support negotiations under way in Doha on a deal which would establish a ceasefire in return for Hamas freeing its hostages."

[...]

The alternative resolution was reported to be on hold on Friday morning, while council members held consultations. Sherine Tadros, the head of the New York office of Amnesty International described the US resolution as “an attempt by the US to absolve themselves of the abysmal record Biden has had so far on Gaza, and submit a resolution that is not going to end the war”.

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

Again, a video of a man who is defending his home from invading IDF and is about to be killed, or a woman who has been taken hostage is not "hilarious." They are despicable.  

Wow, did he say it was 'hilarious'? 

He mistakenly outed himself earlier as being Israeli, so kind of explains the prolific, biased posting on this thread defending the IDF, probably fought in it himself.

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Wow, did he say it was 'hilarious'? 

He mistakenly outed himself earlier as being Israeli, so kind of explains the prolific, biased posting on this thread defending the IDF, probably fought in it himself.

Stop the lies. I am from London, have zero ties to Israel. However even if I were from Israel it makes absolutely no difference to my opinions or how they should be perceived. I would report this but prefer to leave it up to show you for what you are.

Hamas strategy:

First we kill hundreds of civilians in Israel, rape women and slaughter children.

Then we use palestinian civilians as human shields and hide in hospitals and schools.

Then we cry "the Israeli murderers attack hospitals and schools and are carrying out a genozide, how unfair! We want a ceasefire and maybe we might free our hostages in return.

After we regroup, got new weapons from Iran and have rebuilt our tunnels we go ahead trying to wipe out Israel from the map as we promised in our founding documents....

 

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The real issue is the notion of total ceasefire, which has been too ambiguously addressed according to the countries who vetoed the resolution. Still from this article:

 

Another resolution has been drafted by elected members of the council with a direct demand for a ceasefire, but Thomas-Greenfield warned that the US would veto that text if it was presented for a vote, on the grounds that it did not support negotiations under way in Doha on a deal which would establish a ceasefire in return for Hamas freeing its hostages."

[...]

The alternative resolution was reported to be on hold on Friday morning, while council members held consultations. Sherine Tadros, the head of the New York office of Amnesty International described the US resolution as “an attempt by the US to absolve themselves of the abysmal record Biden has had so far on Gaza, and submit a resolution that is not going to end the war”.

No, the real issue is that 11 member states voted for the resolution, only 3 against.

13 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Wow, did he say it was 'hilarious'? 

He mistakenly outed himself earlier as being Israeli, so kind of explains the prolific, biased posting on this thread defending the IDF, probably fought in it himself.

The only one outing themselves is you chap

15 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Hamas strategy:

First we kill hundreds of civilians in Israel, rape women and slaughter children.

Then we use palestinian civilians as human shields and hide in hospitals and schools.

Then we cry "the Israeli murderers attack hospitals and schools and are carrying out a genozide, how unfair! We want a ceasefire and maybe we might free our hostages in return.

After we regroup, got new weapons from Iran and have rebuilt our tunnels we go ahead trying to wipe out Israel from the map as we promised in our founding documents....

 

That just about sums it up, except for a couple on here that are incapable of seeing it, to me, to protect terrorists.

Mind you, Corbyn & Abbott were of the same ilk, and got paid for it..🥴

5 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Hamas strategy:

First we kill hundreds of civilians in Israel, rape women and slaughter children.

Then we use palestinian civilians as human shields and hide in hospitals and schools.

Then we cry "the Israeli murderers attack hospitals and schools and are carrying out a genozide, how unfair! We want a ceasefire and maybe we might free our hostages in return.

After we regroup, got new weapons from Iran and have rebuilt our tunnels we go ahead trying to wipe out Israel from the map as we promised in our founding documents....

 

You forgot the bit where Israel has always claimed the whole Palestinian territory was its God-given right, that it considers Palestinians to be inferior beings and that it helped create, fund and bolster Hamas to sabotage the two-State solution.

A quick context reference from last November. A public Israeli TV channel broadcasted a video of children singing "we will eliminate them all" against a backdrop of images showing the decimation of Gaza by the IDF.

 

Israeli state TV video shows children singing about Gaza

“Within a year we will eliminate them all.” A video by Israel’s public broadcaster of children singing about Gaza has caused a backlash online, including among many Israelis.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/11/21/israeli-state-tv-video-shows-children-singing-about-gaza