Pope encouraging Ukraine to negotiate end of war with Russia.

[simple1]

• Pope Francis has said that Ukraine should negotiate an end to the war with Russia, using for the first time the term "white flag", which is a universal symbol for surrender.
• A Vatican spokesperson clarified that the pope had picked up on the words used in the interviewer's question and meant to call for "a truce".

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-10/pope-francis-urges-ukraine-have-courage-of-the-white-flag/103570402

[retarius]

That Pope Francis, he is just a Putin puppet isn't he? A false Pope.

 

I bet Putin has bribed him to say this, because he knows that the banner of Christian religions in Ukraine, Zelensky, won't negotiate. with Russia.

 

Russia is obviously desperate to wave the white flag and have negotiations because they are terrified that Macron's idea of sending battle-hardened troops from France to Ukraine who will smash Russian defences at the front line.

 

Putin's a pussy isn't he? A scaredy cat, scared of nuclear war that will end civilisation as we know it.  

[transam]

This bloke should mind his own business, from same click that appeased Hitler......😖

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, transam said:

This bloke should mind his own business, from same click that appeased Hitler......😖

Not everything in history, is as black and white as we wish. Reading different sources is always good for deeper understanding and also why some historical facts seems so absolute. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/vatican-documents-show-secret-back-channel-between-pope-pius-xii-and-adolph-hitler

[Jingthing]

Pope -- NOPE!

[Doctor Tom]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Pope -- NOPE!

and dope 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, retarius said:

That Pope Francis, he is just a Putin puppet isn't he? A false Pope.

 

I bet Putin has bribed him to say this, because he knows that the banner of Christian religions in Ukraine, Zelensky, won't negotiate. with Russia.

 

Russia is obviously desperate to wave the white flag and have negotiations because they are terrified that Macron's idea of sending battle-hardened troops from France to Ukraine who will smash Russian defences at the front line.

 

Putin's a pussy isn't he? A scaredy cat, scared of nuclear war that will end civilisation as we know it.  

 

You gave it away when you mentioned "battle hardened (French) troops".

[beautifulthailand99]

Well that's good enough for me, possibly the greatest Pope in history and a true man of God who identifies with the suffering and the dispossessed. Jesus turned the God of Wrath and one people into a God of love and for the whole World. That is the underlying message of Christianity and why at its uncorrupted core is a revolutionary religion. I forgive all that think differently, for they know not what they do.

 

Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.

 

 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

 

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.  And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Edited March 10 by beautifulthailand99

[transam]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Well that's good enough for me, possibly the greatest Pope in history and a true man of God who identifies with the suffering and the dispossessed. Jesus turned the God of Wrath and one people into a God of love and for the whole World. That is the underlying message of Christianity.

 

Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.

 

 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

You are Catholic then........?   😇

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

 

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.  And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

 

  So Ukraine shouldn't resist Russians invasion and Ukraine should also give Russia some more land ?

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, transam said:

You are Catholic then........?   😇

I am a fellow traveller of all spiritual people who do it with good grace and peace in their hearts.

[beautifulthailand99]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  So Ukraine shouldn't resist Russians invasion and Ukraine should also give Russia some more land ?

That's the Bible for you. Putin would do well to truly read it rather than obscure Russian 'sages'. The Pope on the other hand has no other authority than his unshakeable belief in the scriptures. To smear him otherwise is literally in bad faith.

[transam]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I am a fellow traveller of all spiritual people who do it with good grace and peace in their hearts.

Oh really, sorry I asked now............😬

[beautifulthailand99]

In the interview, the interviewer Lorenzo Buccella asks the Pope: “In Ukraine, some call for the courage of surrender, of the white flag. But others say that this would legitimize the stronger party. What do you think?”

Pope Francis replied: “That is one interpretation. But I believe that the stronger one is the one who sees the situation, who thinks of the people, who has the courage of the white flag, to negotiate. And today, negotiations are possible with the help of international powers. The word ‘negotiate’ is a couragous word. When you see that you are defeated, that things are not going well, it is necessary to have the courage to negotiate. You may feel ashamed, but with how many deaths will it end? Negotiate in time; look for some country that can mediate. Today, for example in the war in Ukraine, there are many who want to mediate. Turkey has offered itself for this. And others. Do not be ashamed to negotiate before things get worse.”

 

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-03/pope-francis-ukraine-interview-rts-holy-see-response.html

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Oh really, sorry I asked now............😬

Probably not you, but we live in hope and it is Sunday. At least the Pope has majored on Amalek......

Edited March 10 by beautifulthailand99

[beautifulthailand99]

He is without doubt the most progressive Pope ever who has forsaken his Papal Place for a simple 1-bedroom flat and chauffeured limousines for a simple car. That is why so many in the Vatican hierarchy hate him so much.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-denounces-hypocrisy-those-who-criticise-lgbt-blessings-2024-02-07/

 

LGBT blessings were authorised last month by a Vatican document called Fiducia Supplicans (Supplicating Trust), but that has met with significant resistance in the Catholic Church, particularly from African bishops.
"Nobody gets scandalised if I give my blessings to a businessman who perhaps exploits people, and this is a very grave sin. But they get scandalised if I give them to a homosexual," Francis told Italian Catholic magazine Credere.
"This is hypocrisy," he said.

 

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2013-mar-14-la-fg-pope-bergoglio-profile-20130314-story.html

 

Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires, 76, is the first person from the Americas and the first Jesuit to be elected pope. The son of a railway worker, he rose to become regional superior of the Jesuit order in Argentina and then an archbishop, spending most of his career teaching priests and advocating for the poor through times of economic crisis in his home nation.

“His own matter of life shows he takes his vow of poverty very seriously,” said the Rev. Drew Christiansen, visiting scholar in the theology department of Boston College. Even as a cardinal, the role he has had since 2001, Bergoglio eschewed many of the customary trappings and luxuries afforded to senior prelates, especially in Latin America, Christiansen recalled.

Edited March 10 by beautifulthailand99

[beautifulthailand99]

32 minutes ago, transam said:

You are Catholic then........?   😇

BTW Joe Biden is a Catholic, is nearer to his Maker than most and the Pope is infallible. How do you think that works out !

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/04/12/catholic-joe-biden-puts-stops-at-knock-and-mayo-cathedral-on-irish-itinerary/

[transam]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

BTW Joe Biden is a Catholic, is nearer to his Maker than most and the Pope is infallible. How do you think that works out !

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/04/12/catholic-joe-biden-puts-stops-at-knock-and-mayo-cathedral-on-irish-itinerary/

I know, but there are Catholics and there are Catholics.............🤗

[xtrnuno41]

He must shut up. Catholicism is as  bad as any religion.

Maybe he should do first something about sexual child abuse by his "soldiers".

Wait for a while to make it more interesting, as France and UK want to send troupes !

Hello, hurray let the show begin. Are you ready !

[Doctor Tom]

15 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I am a fellow traveller of all spiritual people who do it with good grace and peace in their hearts.

deluded then? 

[RayC]

20 hours ago, transam said:

Oh really, sorry I asked now............😬

 

So are the rest of us 🙄😁

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/10/2024 at 10:07 PM, simple1 said:

Pope Francis has said that Ukraine should negotiate an end to the war with Russia, using for the first time the term "white flag", which is a universal symbol for surrender.

It's not often I agree with such as the Pope, but on this I do 100%.

 

I guess the US and Europe are willing to fight on to the last Ukrainian though.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/11/2024 at 2:37 AM, xtrnuno41 said:

He must shut up. Catholicism is as  bad as any religion.

Maybe he should do first something about sexual child abuse by his "soldiers".

Wait for a while to make it more interesting, as France and UK want to send troupes !

Hello, hurray let the show begin. Are you ready !

How about discussing what he said about Ukraine instead of deflecting?

[xtrnuno41]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How about discussing what he said about Ukraine instead of deflecting?

He choose a site (Russian).  If you want to say something at his position, then better think twice.

***FLAME REMOVED*** With this statement, he totally let down and is grieving Ukraine people.

What you want more to be said? How dumb can you be.

Imagine, moslims take over half of Vatican city. Then he is holding a white flag? Of course.(NOT)

Edited March 12 by Mike Lister
edited out a flame

[Mike Lister]

A meme has been removed...they are not allowed, I keep saying this but you don't pay attention!

 

Also, a vulgar post that was highly disrespectful of the leader of the Catholic church has been removed. Catholicism may not be your religion of choice but it is for over 1.3 billion other people, many of whom are forum members. Please find a more mature and eloquent way to express your feelings rather than flaming other members via their religion.

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's not often I agree with such as the Pope, but on this I do 100%.

 

I guess the US and Europe are willing to fight on to the last Ukrainian though.

As opposed to being willing to surrender at the first threat from fascist dictator Putin. Kremlin talking point repeaters are working for Putin -- they should demand payment.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, xtrnuno41 said:

He choose a site (Russian).  If you want to say something at his position, then better think twice.

***FLAME REMOVED*** With this statement, he totally let down and is grieving Ukraine people.

What you want more to be said? How dumb can you be.

Imagine, moslims take over half of Vatican city. Then he is holding a white flag? Of course.(NOT)

You are still deflecting.

Edited March 12 by Mike Lister
edited out flame and response to it

[Mike Lister]

Flames have been edited out of two posts. Editing you posts to make them acceptable is not a great way to start my day!

[xtrnuno41]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are still deflecting.

I understand the way you are discussing, it is not new to me. Typical for a group associated christian.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/14/2024 at 5:17 AM, xtrnuno41 said:

I understand the way you are discussing, it is not new to me. Typical for a group associated christian.

I'm not a Christian, so please withdraw that erroneous claim.