Shell To Close 1,000 Retail Petrol(Gas) Stations By 2025 Greatly Expand EV Charging Network

[Photoguy21]

On 3/23/2024 at 11:46 AM, Guderian said:

 

Yes, but it means there's never a queue in a Shell station, unlike at PTT. My time is worth more than a few extra Baht on the petrol bill, so I happily use Shell.

I have no problem using Shell I know what they are like as a company having worked for them in the past.

[Rampant Rabbit]

4 hours ago, transam said:

I know, but 500+ is not to be sniffed at, is it.........😉

The article doesnt  mention anything about Thailand branches  closing its  just a vague "worldwide" statement

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

The article doesnt  mention anything about Thailand branches  closing its  just a vague "worldwide" statement

I know, but we are in LOS on a LOS forum............😉

[Rampant Rabbit]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

I know, but we are in LOS on a LOS forum............😉

I smell BS  doubt theyr e closing to change to electric https://thesun.my/motoring_news/shell-to-close-35-petrol-stations-early-next-year-GF11143858

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

I smell BS  doubt theyr e closing to change to electric https://thesun.my/motoring_news/shell-to-close-35-petrol-stations-early-next-year-GF11143858

That's Malaysia, June 2023.......🤗

[Rampant Rabbit]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

That's Malaysia, June 2023.......🤗

yes  closing this  year  24 as in the article by Bandersnatch and not for EV reasons, so theres  35 that have nothing to do with EV's

Edited March 24 by Rampant Rabbit

[Lee65]

6 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

You obviously don’t know much about solar in Thailand.

 

* There are no high import duties or import bans on PV, inverters and batteries here. Solar components are falling in cost all the time

* Installation cost here are laughably cheap

* There are no permitting requirements for domestic solar

* Thailand is located close to the equator, meaning that solar production is excellent all year round

 

I use my solar system to power a 450m2 house, 2 EVs and an electric motorbike off-grid - I don’t have PEA/MEA

My EV has bi-directional charging meaning that I have the equivalent to 6 Tesla PowerWalls of backup power.

 

Future improvements:

My solar system makes more power than I can use, but I’m not allowed to feed it back to the grid.

In Europe they have dynamic pricing of electricity that reflects the wholesale rate, meaning that sometimes rates go negative and you get paid to charge your EV and at times of peak demand like early evening prices rise and you get paid a substantial amount for feeding power back to the grid.

 

Well aren't you clever!

 

Home solar also an excellent choice for the millions in Thailand - billions globally - living in rented apartments and condos.

[Bandersnatch]

17 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

Well aren't you clever!

You not so much.

 

18 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

Home solar also an excellent choice for the millions in Thailand - billions globally - living in rented apartments and condos.

The vast majority of Thais live in detached houses. 

 

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, macahoom said:

 

Do you realize this is old news?

 

The article was published in January 2023.

 

And the comments below it are predictably, hilariously imbecilic.

It would appear there isn't a single post on this forum relating to Volvo Solar Carport so while old news outside of this forum its new news to this forum 

As far as I know Volvo is the only Brand that is offering a free charging service to their customers every other Brand makes a charge for  using there  charging points 

Maybe the other brand can't be bothered to invest in solar panels who know's

[JBChiangRai]

52 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

 

Well aren't you clever!

 

Home solar also an excellent choice for the millions in Thailand - billions globally - living in rented apartments and condos.

I wish I had your IQ, life would be so much easier if I didn’t have to think

[eisfeld]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Benzene is classed as an aromatic hydrocarbon. The other aromatics which may be present are toluene and xylene. Which may be the additives you refer to.

 

Benzene is a known human carcinogen, causing acute leukemia.

 

I was just correcting the 100% hydrocarbon claim. As to what and how much of the additives are in there... we don't know. Anyways, that's their justification for the increased price of V-Power. If it's worth it or not is up to everyone to decide. Toluene and Xylene are used mostly to improve octane but Shell claims their additives do more than that.

[Pib]

1 hour ago, Lee65 said:

 

Well aren't you clever!

 

Home solar also an excellent choice for the millions in Thailand - billions globally - living in rented apartments and condos.

 

54 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

You not so much.

 

The vast majority of Thais live in detached houses. 

 

 

 

And just to add more detail to the chart in Bandersnatch's post above the chart below from the same census report reflects the "number" of detached houses, town/row housing, and condo/apartments.   Like around 20 million detached houses compared to only 2 million condos/apartments.   "In Thailand" the great majority of the population does not live in condo/apartment type structures although for those who do live in high-rise condo/apartments in places like Bangkok/Pattaya/Phuket/etc., and who don't really travel around Thailand they can fall into a mindset of thinking most everyone in Thailand lives in condos/apartments which is incorrect.  Now, more and more are slowly moving to urban centers which is in turn increases the number of condos/apartments, but that is a slow, generational process. 

 

With around three-quarters of the housing structure types in Thailand being "detached houses" the addition of solar to the house pretty much boils down just wanting and having the money to install solar.  And this would probably be ditto for most townhouse/row house structures (around 18% in Thailand).    

[Lacessit]

29 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

 

I was just correcting the 100% hydrocarbon claim. As to what and how much of the additives are in there... we don't know. Anyways, that's their justification for the increased price of V-Power. If it's worth it or not is up to everyone to decide. Toluene and Xylene are used mostly to improve octane but Shell claims their additives do more than that.

100% hydrocarbon is correct. You are splitting hairs between aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons, when they are both hydrocarbons. That's what the term means, compounds with only carbon and hydrogen , no other elements such as oxygen or nitrogen present.

Every fuel manufacturer claims their product is better, no surprise there.

[eisfeld]

Just now, Lacessit said:

100% hydrocarbon is correct. You are splitting hairs between aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons, when they are both hydrocarbons. That's what the term means, compounds with only carbon and hydrogen , no other elements such as oxygen or nitrogen present.

Every fuel manufacturer claims their product is better, no surprise there.

 

You don't know what additives they add and therefore don't know that they are only hydrocarbons.

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

 

You don't know what additives they add and therefore don't know that they are only hydrocarbons.

Neither do you.

[eisfeld]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Neither do you.

 

Yes that's why I don't make claims about its composition.

[milesinnz]

15 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

When you install solar on your home in Thailand you are not required to submit any paperwork unless you want to be part of the Rooftop Solar program, which very few people do as it's not an an attractive scheme. So no record is kept of domestic solar installs, so as I said "5% solar is only commercial" 

 

 

Demand for electricity at night is a fraction of that during the day, that is why night time electricity is half the price of day time use. 

 

 

Battery prices have continued to fall and as the Thai government wants all new cars sold to be electric by the year 2035 most homes will have access to 50kWh+ of battery storage. If consumers could be incentivized to sell some of this stored power back at times of peak demand it would be a win win.

 

You have not mentioned wind power which tends to produce more at night. Thailand has long coast lines and shallow coastal waters 

 

I hope you are right. We are both speculating about the future. I have considered wind power for Cambodia, but there is very little wind for most of the year - so I am not even going to consider this. I have no idea what offshore wind farm potential there is for at least Thailand. Cambodia is considered a low wind area for sailors. The key I feel still lays at the feet of battery costs and storage potential and length of battery service. Do you currently see cities in Thailand that can operate at night on batteries ? And if the Thai government is really so pro electric vehicles, why don't they start by electrifying the railways ? There have been some interesting developments in Germany I believe with trucks getting their power from railway type pantagraphs on major routes and switching to battery for the end local roads - seems a pretty smart idea. I have just looked at some data for China's road energy usage up to 2030. The use of electricity is so small, it is hardly measurable on the graphs provided. Best described as insignificant showing a rise in diesel and petrol usage. This article was published in March 2022 (I have no idea what the projections are for Thailand - I also assume this does not include agriculture). https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/what-is-the-energy-consumption-of-transportation

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, milesinnz said:

I have considered wind power for Cambodia, but there is very little wind for most of the year

 

I designed my home to maximize passive cooling via stack effect ventilation and a fly roof to create a venturi effect by funneling wind across my open third floor. I was hoping that this increase wind speed would make domestic vertical axis wind power more viable. There is a video on my channel testing wind speed for wind power and I really don’t think it’s viable in NE Thailand.

 

EVs with V2L and domestic solar are definitely the most viable option. Here is a video from my series on V2L powering my home. I can power my house all night from my car and use less than 10% of the car’s battery. It then takes less than an hour to charge it back up the next day.

 

 

[ujayujay]

On 3/22/2024 at 12:57 PM, transam said:

More unemployed......😢

....Burmese!

[milesinnz]

5 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

I designed my home to maximize passive cooling via stack effect ventilation and a fly roof to create a venturi effect by funneling wind across my open third floor. I was hoping that this increase wind speed would make domestic vertical axis wind power more viable. There is a video on my channel testing wind speed for wind power and I really don’t think it’s viable in NE Thailand.

 

EVs with V2L and domestic solar are definitely the most viable option. Here is a video from my series on V2L powering my home. I can power my house all night from my car and use less than 10% of the car’s battery. It then takes less than an hour to charge it back up the next day.

 

 

I watched your video.. thanks.. very professional and I suspect an expensive setup. I don't see many Thais being able to achieve this. I am more of a minimalist. We will be taking some simple obvious steps to make the houses cooler... insulation and white walls is pretty simple start. There would be few people in Cambodia (which is in the bottom 40 most poor countries in the World) who could afford such a setup - and if they could they would likely be the corrupt who don't care about anything but themselves so they will be driving around in big 4 x 4 s or expensive exotic supercars. I continue to follow developments in solar panels and battery technology which I expect to continue to improve. I am leaning towards China supplied battery car equipment to repower small petrol cars in Cambodia. Also we are aiming for close to complete self-sufficiency on the farm - but we will still have diesel tractors. I think the bigger risk is an economic dislocation rather than running out of carbon fuels or even the effects of climate change. It will be interesting to see how fast things move and in what direction on all of the social and economic challenges we face.

[Lee65]

On 3/24/2024 at 4:55 PM, Bandersnatch said:

The vast majority of Thais live in detached houses. 

 

Let's say we accept for the moment those (old) stats as accurate.  Many/most "detached houses" are on tiny plots of land and/or are rented, occupied by poor people, or are otherwise unsuitable for solar installations.

 

A new reason why EVangelists are so annoying has occurred to me: EVs are status symbols.  "Look at me!  How smart I am!  AND that's not all ... I have home solar!  You, plebs, cannot possibly understand how clever this is!"

 

PS:  Witnessed this evening yet another line up for the charging stations at a local PTT.  

 

 

Edited March 25 by Lee65

[Bandersnatch]

9 hours ago, Lee65 said:

Many/most "detached houses" are on tiny plots of land and/or are rented, occupied by poor people, or are otherwise unsuitable for solar installations.

 

9 hours ago, Lee65 said:

Witnessed this evening yet another line up for the charging stations at a local PTT

 

Put up evidence to support your claims.

 

“Put up or Shut up”

 

9 hours ago, Lee65 said:

Look at me!  How smart I am!  AND that's not all ... I have home solar!  You, plebs, cannot possibly understand how clever this is!"

 

“Look at me how smart I am. I might not know anything about solar and EVs but I don’t need to waste my time doing research, I just make <deleted> up and you plebs believe me”

 

[Gweiloman]

10 hours ago, Lee65 said:

 

Let's say we accept for the moment those (old) stats as accurate.  Many/most "detached houses" are on tiny plots of land and/or are rented, occupied by poor people, or are otherwise unsuitable for solar installations.

 

A new reason why EVangelists are so annoying has occurred to me: EVs are status symbols.  "Look at me!  How smart I am!  AND that's not all ... I have home solar!  You, plebs, cannot possibly understand how clever this is!"

 

PS:  Witnessed this evening yet another line up for the charging stations at a local PTT.  

 

 

Just because you live in a rented room on top of soi Buakhao doesn’t mean others do. 
 

Your post script is obviously made up. Unlike ICEVs, EVs don’t line up to charge. You wouldn’t really know there is queue even if there was one as the cars would just be parked up. Try harder.

[Bandersnatch]

16 hours ago, milesinnz said:

I suspect an expensive setup. I don't see many Thais being able to achieve this

 

You don’t need to go for a totally off-grid setup like mine. The inverters in the video are now only ฿17k and PV is only ฿6 per Watt. So a 5kW system is going to cost less than ฿50k plus installation.

 

 

17 hours ago, milesinnz said:

I am leaning towards China supplied battery car

 

Here in Thailand you can buy a Neta V with V2L for ฿500k for battery backup for your home solar system.

 

17 hours ago, milesinnz said:

we are aiming for close to complete self-sufficiency on the farm

 

I have several video on my EcoHouseThailand channel about my setup. We are 100% off-grid (no meter) we have rainwater harvesting for household and drinking water. We use solar thermal for hot water and solar well pumps to irrigate our fruit trees and veggies. 

 

I was asked by a teacher friend to produce a video on Self Sufficiency that he could use with his students:

 

 

[milesinnz]

4 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

You don’t need to go for a totally off-grid setup like mine. The inverters in the video are now only ฿17k and PV is only ฿6 per Watt. So a 5kW system is going to cost less than ฿50k plus installation.

 

 

 

Here in Thailand you can buy a Neta V with V2L for ฿500k for battery backup for your home solar system.

 

 

I have several video on my EcoHouseThailand channel about my setup. We are 100% off-grid (no meter) we have rainwater harvesting for household and drinking water. We use solar thermal for hot water and solar well pumps to irrigate our fruit trees and veggies. 

 

I was asked by a teacher friend to produce a video on Self Sufficiency that he could use with his students:

 

 

I agree you don't need to be completely off grid.. you can often get 80% of your requirements met with 50% of the cost..  I have a good route for equipment from China.. Alibaba I have been using for 8 years... but I don't think you appreciate the poverty there is in  Northern Cambodia.... the lack of jobs is a huge issue and this leads to drugs and crime. I can get a turnkey package from China... but we have a lot of other priorities. Our concern is for the local economy and local people and this is where a lot of our effort is being aimed.... we will be using solar, but modestly and where it is most useful and needed...

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, milesinnz said:

but I don't think you appreciate the poverty there is in  Northern Cambodia.

There is plenty of poverty in NE Thailand 

 

I installed a solar pond pump for them and explained how it worked. This was about 7 years ago and none of the students had seen solar. Now it’s a common sight.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

PT seems to be building the heck out of pumps, at least in Bangkok...

[milesinnz]

15 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

There is plenty of poverty in NE Thailand 

Some real data... Cambodia is rated as no 38 in the most poor countries in the World.. nothing like Thailand... you just shot any credibility you had to bits. I know NE Thailand very well... I can have what I can call a third home there (Udon)... the farm and my main family involvement in is Northern Cambodia - mainly Anlong Veng which was the last stronghold of the Khmer Rouge. The mother of my daughter there is a senior Police Officer so I know well the social issues as we discuss and try to take action in those areas that we can. You are living in an arrogant delusional bubble and don't have a clue what you are talking about...

[JBChiangRai]

11 minutes ago, milesinnz said:

Some real data... Cambodia is rated as no 38 in the most poor countries in the World.. nothing like Thailand... you just shot any credibility you had to bits. I know NE Thailand very well... I can have what I can call a third home there (Udon)... the farm and my main family involvement in is Northern Cambodia - mainly Anlong Veng which was the last stronghold of the Khmer Rouge. The mother of my daughter there is a senior Police Officer so I know well the social issues as we discuss and try to take action in those areas that we can. You are living in an arrogant delusional bubble and don't have a clue what you are talking about...

You are coming over as an arrogant know-it-all.

[Skipalongcassidy]

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You are coming over as an arrogant know-it-all.

Not at all like you and the ev or die crowd... right???