Social Media Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 THE HAGUE, March 28 (Reuters) - Judges at the International Court of Justice on Thursday unanimously ordered Israel to take all the necessary and effective action to ensure basic food supplies arrive without delay to the Palestinian population in Gaza. The ICJ said the Palestinians in Gaza face worsening conditions of life, and famine and starvation are spreading. "The court observes that Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine (...) but that famine is setting in," the judges said in their order. The new measures were requested by South Africa as part of its ongoing case that accuses Israel of state-led genocide in Gaza. In January the ICJ, also known as the World Court, ordered Israel to refrain from any acts that could fall under the Genocide Convention and to ensure its troops commit no genocidal acts against Palestinians in Gaza. In Thursday's order the court reaffirmed the January measures but added Israel must take action to ensure unhindered provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance including food, water and electricity as well as medical supplies and medical care to Palestinians throughout Gaza. The judges added that this could be done "by increasing the capacity and number of land crossing points and maintaining them open for as long as necessary". The court ordered Israel to submit a report in a month after the order to detail how it had given effect to the ruling. 29.03.24 Source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted March 28 Popular Post Share Posted March 28 (edited) It's taken 6 months of slaughter to finally get to a point where it's no longer possible for Biden, Sunak and Co to hide behind the "israel has the right to defend itself" charade. Will israel abide by the decision? I hope so, but I fear not. IMO this is the critical moment in the conflict a/ netanyahu backs down and conforms to the court's order, in which case he has a HUGE problem with his hard core anti Palestinian cabinet members. b/ he doesn't and has a HUGE problem with most of the countries on the planet. While they probably didn't want to go against the US, there is now, IMO, nothing for Biden to hide behind anymore, so they may feel emboldened to start discussing sanctions on israel and arrest warrants for individuals. IMO this is the moment that Hamas has been waiting for, when the top court on the planet orders israel to stop starving Gazans to death, which if israel complies is probably the beginning of the end of the conflict, and a political win for Hamas. However, it gets REALLY interesting, if israel refuses to comply. Will Egypt open the gates if israel does not, which brings in a whole new dimension to the situation. Sisi can't be happy complying with israel to starve the Gazans as it makes him look bad too, and there is always the threat that starving Gazans may try and break into Egypt in desperation. Disregarding any of the above, looks like the options for netanyahu and the colluder in chief, Biden, are reducing. Netanyahu IMO must be relying on the conflict to keep him out of court, and Biden may suffer if he continues to be Canute in the November election, so IMO those two are the individuals most likely to be affected by the court's ruling. Of course, nothing is settled, and the future is still likely to be "interesting". Edited March 28 by thaibeachlovers 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Press release from Israel: "South Africa has failed yet again in its cynical attempts to exploit the ICJ in order to undermine Israel's inherent right and obligation to defend its citizens from the ongoing Hamas attacks and to secure the release of hostages still held in Gaza in brutal captivity." Full Statement here https://twitter.com/LiorHaiat/status/1773472467169796243 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted March 29 Popular Post Share Posted March 29 4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: Press release from Israel: "South Africa has failed yet again in its cynical attempts to exploit the ICJ in order to undermine Israel's inherent right and obligation to defend its citizens from the ongoing Hamas attacks and to secure the release of hostages still held in Gaza in brutal captivity." Full Statement here https://twitter.com/LiorHaiat/status/1773472467169796243 From the press release: As has been repeatedly affirmed, Israel is committed to international law, Israel is committed to meeting its legal obligations, including with respect to humanitarian assistance, Yet, the ICJ made the order yesterday, full text here: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240328-ord-01-00-en.pdf 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: From the press release: As has been repeatedly affirmed, Israel is committed to international law, Israel is committed to meeting its legal obligations, including with respect to humanitarian assistance, Yet, the ICJ made the order yesterday, full text here: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240328-ord-01-00-en.pdf I read it when it was published and they have 4 weeks to respond as I said in parallel topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted March 29 Popular Post Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: I read it when it was published and they have 4 weeks to respond as I said in parallel topic No, not 4 weeks to respond, the actual wording is report: Decides that the State of Israel shall submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give effect to this Order, within one month as from the date of this Order. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: No, not 4 weeks to respond, the actual wording is report: Decides that the State of Israel shall submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give effect to this Order, within one month as from the date of this Order. within one month as from the date of this Order 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted March 29 Popular Post Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: within one month as from the date of this Order The timeline is irrelevant, my problem was with your wording i.e. "respond" as if it was just a matter of fact comment, whereas a report is " an account given of a particular matter, especially in the form of an official document, after thorough investigation or consideration by an appointed person or body." 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: The timeline is irrelevant, my problem was with your wording i.e. "respond" as if it was just a matter of fact comment, whereas a report is " an account given of a particular matter, especially in the form of an official document, after thorough investigation or consideration by an appointed person or body." So why bring it up 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: I read it when it was published and they have 4 weeks to respond as I said in parallel topic 19 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: No, not 4 weeks to respond, the actual wording is report: Decides that the State of Israel shall submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give effect to this Order, within one month as from the date of this Order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted March 29 Popular Post Share Posted March 29 12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: So why bring it up To keep you honest, that is all, not respond, report. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said: To keep you honest, that is all, not respond, report. Strange response to claim I was not honest, clutching at straws and off topic. 4 weeks in a forum post is accurate enough when the report says within one month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: Strange response to claim I was not honest, clutching at straws and off topic. 4 weeks in a forum post is accurate enough when the report says within one month. You were trying to downplay the "report within a month" to respond in 4 weeks as if it were not that important, the ICJ want a report not some form of response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wobblybob Posted March 29 Popular Post Share Posted March 29 Have I got this correct, Hamas with the approval of their people commit the most of horrendous crimes against Israel and thus starting a war and Israel is getting berated for not feeding the enemy, is it me that's going doolally tap? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 20 hours ago, Wobblybob said: Have I got this correct, Hamas with the approval of their people commit the most of horrendous crimes against Israel and thus starting a war and Israel is getting berated for not feeding the enemy, is it me that's going doolally tap? Hamas were 'elected' 18 years ago, there has not been an election since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblybob Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, retarius said: Hamas were 'elected' 18 years ago, there has not been an election since. So Israels war could bring democracy to Gaza at last, good news indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Media Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 Topic Update: ‘Multiple factual flaws’: Israel contests UN-backed report on imminent famine in Gaza COGAT, the Israeli Defense Ministry body responsible for civilian affairs in the Palestinian territories, said in a response Friday that “the report contains multiple factual and methodological flaws, some of them serious.” It argued the report grossly underestimated the amount of water available per person per day (claiming over 20 liters versus the report’s assessment of less than 1) while noting it lacked key information amid the chaos of the conflict — as acknowledged by the IPC report — and subsequently relied on incomplete data, including from Hamas. “Given the difficulty in conducting surveys and samplings, the remotely conducted surveys, or third-party surveys within the Gaza Strip, diminish the reliability of the data,” COGAT said. It said it has tracked reports in Palestinian media “every day” of “food markets filled with food of all types and kinds” in various parts of Gaza, including its north. “We outright reject any allegations according to which Israel is purposefully starving the civilian population in Gaza,” COGAT also said. “Even at the height of hostilities, in a war that was forced upon it, Israel places no limits on the amount of aid that can enter Gaza, and absolutely does not limit the entrance of food. Israel also facilitates entry of complementary products such as cooking gas and diesel fuel for the operation of aid centers, bakeries, etc. Additionally, 14 million liters of water are supplied by Israel.” It added that “in recent months between 150 and 200 trucks are admitted per day, most of which are food trucks. This is an 80% spike in comparison to the daily average food trucks that entered Gaza pre-October 7.” COGAT once again argued that the main cause for food shortages was a lack of capability by international agencies operating in Gaza to distribute the goods: “The fact is that at any given moment there are hundreds of trucks held up at the Gazan side of the Kerem Shalom crossing after having completely been processed by the authorities in Israel, awaiting reception and distribution by the aid agencies.” Additionally, COGAT noted the “reports and testimonies of theft, looting and commandeering of the aid trucks by armed players, some of them Hamas, others directed by Hamas, hijacking humanitarian aid and keeping it for its own interests, in a way that diminishes the amount of food that reaches the civilian population. “Moreover, Hamas uses its control over the aid to further its governance in the Gaza Strip,” COGAT said. “This phenomenon also impairs the ongoing work of the aid agencies.” An anonymous US State Department official told Reuters on Friday that there was currently an average of 250 aid trucks a day entering Gaza, but more were needed. He said that separately Israel had facilitated some 350-400 trucks of privately contracted humanitarian aid to northern Gaza over the past three or four weeks. Gaza health authorities have reported children dying of malnutrition or dehydration, and UN officials say the health system has basically collapsed, making the situation hard to monitor. “It’s impossible to find the data to meet their criteria in northern Gaza as people aren’t dying in hospital so it’s unrecorded,” said one aid worker who asked not to be named. The IPC said that because of a lack of aid, almost all households were skipping meals every day and adults were reducing their meals so children could eat. 31.03.24 Source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Do politics play any part in food security analysis? https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/faqs/en/ IPC was created precisely to supersede potential political interferences through technical neutrality, and, if necessary, to shine a light on the political dimensions (at both national and international levels) that may obfuscate the severity of food insecurity situations. IPC provides parameters which are based on international standards to analyse the severity of food insecurity from none to Famine levels. These parameters have been commonly agreed by all partners and are followed in all countries using IPC protocols to ascertain the severity of the situation based on these parameters and data available. This is particularly challenging in countries affected by conflict where some areas are not accessible and quality data are not always available. For this reason, an independent committee of global experts, called the IPC Famine Review Committee (FRC), can be activated to support the IPC country team of food security and nutrition specialists as an additional quality assurance and validation step for the IPC conclusions. The activation of the IPC FRC is also meant to further ensure technical independence of the analysis from potential political influence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 The UN source for imports of trucks and what they contain, food or goods etc can be found published by them here. For food there was a dip when the war first started but its now generally at levels before the war or above. Latest entries Jan 2024 https://www.ochaopt.org/data/crossings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trippy Posted March 31 Popular Post Share Posted March 31 The pressure of the world court or any other court should be for Hamas to surrender, not for Israel to stop defending itself. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, Trippy said: The pressure of the world court or any other court should be for Hamas to surrender, not for Israel to stop defending itself. Absolutely, well said............. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Trippy said: The pressure of the world court or any other court should be for Hamas to surrender, not for Israel to stop defending itself. Nonsense, are you Israeli? Do you think Genocide and forced displacement is OK? Edited March 31 by Neeranam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Nonsense, are you Israeli? Do you think Genocide and forced displacement is OK? Are you in favour of moving Jewish Israelis off the land of Israel? Do you think Genocide and forced displacement is OK? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) A few more facts that the UN or media fail to mention. #Facts And I dare any official UN body to contradict the numbers bellow. In white- number of trucks entering Gaza from Israel at Kerem Shalom. In Blue- number of truckloads picked up by UN for distribution Conclusion: EVERY DAY goods are coming in and NOT being picked up for distribution. They accumulate in UNOPS depot on the Gaza side of Kerem Shalom, tons and tons of good. See photo in following post below. https://twitter.com/IditAbu/status/1773727618392543593 Edited March 31 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 15 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Nonsense, are you Israeli? Do you think Genocide and forced displacement is OK? Why are you asking him if he's Israeli? What difference does that make to you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 6 hours ago, Social Media said: Topic Update: ‘Multiple factual flaws’: Israel contests UN-backed report on imminent famine in Gaza COGAT, the Israeli Defense Ministry body responsible for civilian affairs in the Palestinian territories, said in a response Friday that “the report contains multiple factual and methodological flaws, some of them serious.” It argued the report grossly underestimated the amount of water available per person per day (claiming over 20 liters versus the report’s assessment of less than 1) while noting it lacked key information amid the chaos of the conflict — as acknowledged by the IPC report — and subsequently relied on incomplete data, including from Hamas. “Given the difficulty in conducting surveys and samplings, the remotely conducted surveys, or third-party surveys within the Gaza Strip, diminish the reliability of the data,” COGAT said. It said it has tracked reports in Palestinian media “every day” of “food markets filled with food of all types and kinds” in various parts of Gaza, including its north. “We outright reject any allegations according to which Israel is purposefully starving the civilian population in Gaza,” COGAT also said. “Even at the height of hostilities, in a war that was forced upon it, Israel places no limits on the amount of aid that can enter Gaza, and absolutely does not limit the entrance of food. Israel also facilitates entry of complementary products such as cooking gas and diesel fuel for the operation of aid centers, bakeries, etc. Additionally, 14 million liters of water are supplied by Israel.” It added that “in recent months between 150 and 200 trucks are admitted per day, most of which are food trucks. This is an 80% spike in comparison to the daily average food trucks that entered Gaza pre-October 7.” COGAT once again argued that the main cause for food shortages was a lack of capability by international agencies operating in Gaza to distribute the goods: “The fact is that at any given moment there are hundreds of trucks held up at the Gazan side of the Kerem Shalom crossing after having completely been processed by the authorities in Israel, awaiting reception and distribution by the aid agencies.” Additionally, COGAT noted the “reports and testimonies of theft, looting and commandeering of the aid trucks by armed players, some of them Hamas, others directed by Hamas, hijacking humanitarian aid and keeping it for its own interests, in a way that diminishes the amount of food that reaches the civilian population. “Moreover, Hamas uses its control over the aid to further its governance in the Gaza Strip,” COGAT said. “This phenomenon also impairs the ongoing work of the aid agencies.” An anonymous US State Department official told Reuters on Friday that there was currently an average of 250 aid trucks a day entering Gaza, but more were needed. He said that separately Israel had facilitated some 350-400 trucks of privately contracted humanitarian aid to northern Gaza over the past three or four weeks. Gaza health authorities have reported children dying of malnutrition or dehydration, and UN officials say the health system has basically collapsed, making the situation hard to monitor. “It’s impossible to find the data to meet their criteria in northern Gaza as people aren’t dying in hospital so it’s unrecorded,” said one aid worker who asked not to be named. The IPC said that because of a lack of aid, almost all households were skipping meals every day and adults were reducing their meals so children could eat. 31.03.24 Source And the source for this report is the totally unbiased 'The Times of Israel'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trippy Posted March 31 Popular Post Share Posted March 31 31 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Nonsense, are you Israeli? Do you think Genocide and forced displacement is OK? Whatever you think is happening there, it could be over tomorrow if Hamas surrenders. The future of the Palestinian people is in Hamas's hands not Israel's, stop blaming the victim. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, billd766 said: And the source for this report is the totally unbiased 'The Times of Israel'. Actually the source is Israel and COGAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted March 31 Popular Post Share Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, Trippy said: Whatever you think is happening there, it could be over tomorrow if Hamas surrenders. The future of the Palestinian people is in Hamas's hands not Israel's, stop blaming the victim. It could also be over tomorrow if Israel went back to its own borders, all the illegal settlements handed back to the Palestinians from whom they were stolen from in the first place. If the Israeli's stopped the mass slaughter and genocide, that would be a good thing also. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 6 minutes ago, Trippy said: Whatever you think is happening there, it could be over tomorrow if Hamas surrenders. The future of the Palestinian people is in Hamas's hands not Israel's, stop blaming the victim. Israel is NOT the victim lol - this explain your distorting view of reality. So they simply hand over Gaza to the Israelis? Would you fight for your country if a foreign body started occupying your land? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trippy Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, billd766 said: It could also be over tomorrow if Israel went back to its own borders, all the illegal settlements handed back to the Palestinians from whom they were stolen from in the first place. If the Israeli's stopped the mass slaughter and genocide, that would be a good thing also. Sure, then Hamas could start shooting missiles at Israel again, good plan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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