On October 7th, Hamas launched a significant attack on Israel, marking another escalation in the longstanding conflict between the two entities. The attack, which involved firing multiple rockets from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel, occurred amid simmering tensions and ongoing violence in the region.

 

The history behind the October 7th Hamas attack traces back to the complex dynamics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Hamas, an Islamist militant group, has been engaged in a protracted struggle against Israel for decades. Originating in the late 1980s, Hamas emerged as a significant player in Palestinian politics, advocating for the establishment of an Islamic state in the region and rejecting the legitimacy of Israel.

 

 

The Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas since 2007 following a violent takeover, has served as a launching pad for attacks against Israel. Over the years, Hamas has engaged in periodic rocket attacks, border clashes, and other forms of violence aimed at Israeli civilians and military targets. These actions have often elicited strong responses from Israel, leading to cycles of escalation and conflict.

 

The October 7th attack can be understood within this context of ongoing hostility and mutual distrust. The immediate triggers for the attack may vary, ranging from specific incidents such as clashes between Israeli security forces and Palestinian protesters to broader geopolitical factors shaping the region. However, underlying grievances and unresolved issues contribute to the cycle of violence between Hamas and Israel.

 

 

For Hamas, launching rocket attacks serves multiple purposes. It aims to assert its military capabilities, demonstrate resistance against Israel, and rally support among Palestinians. Moreover, Hamas often seeks to exploit domestic and international attention generated by such attacks to advance its political agenda and leverage concessions from Israel or other actors.

 

 

On the Israeli side, the response to Hamas attacks typically involves airstrikes targeting Hamas infrastructure and militants in the Gaza Strip. Israel views these attacks as necessary measures to defend its citizens and deter future aggression from Hamas. However, the use of force also raises concerns about civilian casualties and exacerbates humanitarian crises in Gaza.

 

 

Ultimately, the October 7th Hamas attack underscores the volatile nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the urgent need for comprehensive and sustainable solutions to address its root causes. Efforts to de-escalate tensions, promote dialogue, and address the legitimate grievances of both Israelis and Palestinians are essential to breaking the cycle of violence and achieving lasting peace in the region.

 

11.04.24

 

Good, neutral commentary.

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

The history behind the October 7th Hamas attack

This should keep a few posters happy, history lessons.....

They attacked to kick of a war which they hoped would put the boot into any "normalisation" of Israeli Arab relations, bring in the Arab world on their side.

 

Lots went wrong, particularly the reaction of their young men, driven by years of politically and religiously enforced celibacy when they found themselves in control of women.

 

The Arab world refused to play and the rest of the world was reacquainted with the fundamental savagery of Islamic enforced cellibacy.

Edited April 11, 20242 yr by herfiehandbag

they ve been fightig for 100s of years all arabs are unhappy cos the dont have any thing to do except fighting and killinhg each other and they will be fighting fpr 100s more years ,iran will prolly cause WW3 in the end

" Historical perspective" rapidly elicits desperate  efforts to distract input into  less than historical perspective.

 Strange  sort of twisted  dementia  does exist!

War, what's it good for? 

1 minute ago, Furioso said:

War, what's it good for? 

Biden's reelection?

 

Or did you mean: Absolutely nuthin' say it again!

Edited April 11, 20242 yr by Yellowtail

25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Over 3,000 rockets actually, that's a lot right Steven?

And: "The Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas since 2007 following a violent takeover..." 

 

Was the Gaza strip turned over voluntarily?

 

And Hamas are terrorists, not militants.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And: "The Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas since 2007 following a violent takeover..." 

 

Was the Gaza strip turned over voluntarily?

 

And Hamas are terrorists, not militants.

 

 

And: "The Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas since 2007 following a violent takeover..."

 

Sort of:

 

Hamas has controlled Gaza since 2007 when it ousted the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority in a violent takeover after winning the Palestinian elections the previous year.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/gaza-strip-israel-hamas-war-demographics

Israel actively helped create and supported Hamas, in order to weaken Arafat's PLO. The strategy was to use this engineered terrorism threat to justify retaliation and the implementation of the occupation as per the Greater Israel plan (cf. Oded Yinon's book The Zionist Plan for the Middle East, 1982) and stall the creation of a Palestinian state.

 

The Intercept wrote a good piece about it (pasting excerpts and the link below).

 

Andrew Higgins also wrote a very good article for The Wall Street Journal on the matter in 2009, How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas, I am not posting it here as it is accessible behind a paywall, but I recommend it to those interested in furthering their knowledge on the issue.

 

BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.

 

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

19 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Israel actively helped create and supported Hamas, in order to weaken Arafat's PLO. The strategy was to use this engineered terrorism threat to justify retaliation and the implementation of the occupation as per the Greater Israel plan (cf. Oded Yinon's book The Zionist Plan for the Middle East, 1982) and stall the creation of a Palestinian state.

 

The Intercept wrote a good piece about it (pasting excerpts and the link below).

 

Andrew Higgins also wrote a very good article for The Wall Street Journal on the matter in 2009, How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas, I am not posting it here as it is accessible behind a paywall, but I recommend it to those interested in furthering their knowledge on the issue.

 

BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.

 

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

Yeah right, written by Mehdi Hasan, don't find his stuff very credible although I am fully up to speed on the Israel and Hamas previous relationship.

 

Liberal MSNBC host Mehdi Hasan history of controversial rhetoric in spotlight amid hostile coverage of Israel

Inflammatory remarks he made in 2009 before becoming an MSNBC personality began circulating online again, when he compared non-Muslims to "animals" and linked homosexuals to "pedophiles" and "sexual deviants." New York Post reporter Jon Levine said it's "hard to imagine MSNBC allowing someone on television who said similar things about a different religion." 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-msnbc-host-mehdi-hasan-history-controversial-rhetoric-in-spotlight-amid-hostile-coverage-israel

 

MEHDI HASAN’S DECEITFUL DEFENSE OF AN ANTISEMITIC SCREED

https://www.camera.org/article/mehdi-hasans-pathetic-defense-of-an-antisemitic-screed/

They thought there was an excess amount of virgins in paradise and found out it's a very quick way to meet them is my guess🤔

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yeah right, written by Mehdi Hasan, don't find his stuff very credible although I am fully up to speed on the Israel and Hamas previous relationship.

 

Liberal MSNBC host Mehdi Hasan history of controversial rhetoric in spotlight amid hostile coverage of Israel

Inflammatory remarks he made in 2009 before becoming an MSNBC personality began circulating online again, when he compared non-Muslims to "animals" and linked homosexuals to "pedophiles" and "sexual deviants." New York Post reporter Jon Levine said it's "hard to imagine MSNBC allowing someone on television who said similar things about a different religion." 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-msnbc-host-mehdi-hasan-history-controversial-rhetoric-in-spotlight-amid-hostile-coverage-israel

 

MEHDI HASAN’S DECEITFUL DEFENSE OF AN ANTISEMITIC SCREED

https://www.camera.org/article/mehdi-hasans-pathetic-defense-of-an-antisemitic-screed/

 

A word on the actual substance, maybe? Here is another source for you, Moonis Ahmar and Andrew Higgins:

How and why Israel helped create Hamas?
One, it was purely in the Israeli interest to support and patronise first Mujama al-Islamiya and then Hamas. It also means that like the US which created and nourished various Jihadi groups in Afghanistan and elsewhere, Israel cannot escape from the responsibility of creating Hamas. Two, Hamas’ rise and surge in 1990s and thereafter the weakening of PLO and the Palestinian community strengthened Israeli occupation over West Bank and the blockade of Gaza.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas

Edited April 11, 20242 yr by rattlesnake
Typo.

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

A word on the actual substance, maybe? Here is another source for you, Moonis Ahmar and Andrew Higgins:

How and why Israel helped create Hamas?
One, it was purely in the Israeli interest to support and patronise first Mujama al-Islamiya and then Hamas. It also means that like the US which created and nourished various Jihadi groups in Afghanistan and elsewhere, Israel cannot escape from the responsibility of creating Hamas. Two, Hamas’ rise and surge in 1990s and thereafter the weakening of PLO and the Palestinian community strengthened Israeli occupation over West Bank and the blockade of Gaza.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas

A word on the actual substance, maybe

 

No need, read my post again: "I am fully up to speed on the Israel and Hamas previous relationship." I have discussed and provided numerous links months ago on this, too tedious for me to do it all again but certainly don't take that as a negative to you doing so, I was just pointing out the obvious bias of the author in your previous link. Your fresh link from a Pakistan author, well as you know Islamabad's support for the Hamas terrorists goes beyond the simply lending of 'moral, diplomatic and political support';

Edited April 11, 20242 yr by Bkk Brian

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

A word on the actual substance, maybe

 

No need, read my post again: "I am fully up to speed on the Israel and Hamas previous relationship." I have discussed and provided numerous links months ago on this, too tedious for me to do it all again but certainly don't take that as a negative to you doing so, I was just pointing out the obvious bias of the author in your previous link. Your fresh link from a Pakistan author, well as you know Islamabad's support for the Hamas terrorists goes beyond the simply lending of 'moral, diplomatic and political support';

 

This is such a divisive, contentious issue that there is bias, hyperbolic language and hatred on both sides. The best way to raise awareness and discuss this matter entails, in my opinion, providing views from all perspectives. Of course the aforementioned sources are biased, but they give essential context.

Only the idiots of the world support terrorists and haters... 

Off topic exchange potentially derailing the actual topic has been removed.

 

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This is a good start, and also proves terrorism can be a good weapon to reach their goals, where latest Australia announced they might be willing to approve an Palestinian state. Why now? 

 

A little bit reading, but still compressed to actual facts, and for those who read might realize from being a freedomfighter to executive cruel terrorism on civilians, is not that far apart when desperation become larger than life.

 

"Zionist political violence refers to politically motivated violence or terrorism[1][2] perpetrated by Zionists. The term is used to describe violence committed by those who support the political movement of Zionism, and violence committed against opponents of Zionism. The violence often takes the form of terrorist attacks and has been directed against both Jewish and Arab targets. The most active period of most notable Zionist political violence began on June 30, 1924, through the 1940s, and continues to the present day, usually for the purpose of expanding Zionist settlements in Mandatory Palestine.[3]"

 

source Wikipedia 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

Edited April 12, 20242 yr by Hummin

Because they are an extremist Islamic terrorist group and need to be wiped out. Which is precisely and correctly what Israel intends to see through. 👍

8 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Only the idiots of the world support terrorists and haters... 

They are appeasing the crocodile with a hope that it will eat them last!

19 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Good, neutral commentary.

After carefully reading the article, I can find no reference in it to the massacre of 1200 innocent Israelis of all ages. Instead, it describes the October 7 atrocity as “The attack, which involved firing multiple rockets from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel, occurred amid simmering tensions and ongoing violence in the region.” A clumsy attempt to falsify history. As such, the article is the very antithesis of “neutral”.

Israel  is just stage 1 in the terrorists eyes.  Later they have bigger fish to fry.  The world should get off oil and gas as soon as possible to deny them the money to finance their devious minds.  And the political correctness of the west will haunt them big time.  This problem will never go away.

23 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

On October 7th, Hamas launched a significant attack on Israel, marking another escalation in the longstanding conflict between the two entities. The attack, which involved firing multiple rockets from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel, occurred amid simmering tensions and ongoing violence in the region.

 

The history behind the October 7th Hamas attack traces back to the complex dynamics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Hamas, an Islamist militant group, has been engaged in a protracted struggle against Israel for decades. Originating in the late 1980s, Hamas emerged as a significant player in Palestinian politics, advocating for the establishment of an Islamic state in the region and rejecting the legitimacy of Israel.

 

 

 

 

The Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas since 2007 following a violent takeover, has served as a launching pad for attacks against Israel. Over the years, Hamas has engaged in periodic rocket attacks, border clashes, and other forms of violence aimed at Israeli civilians and military targets. These actions have often elicited strong responses from Israel, leading to cycles of escalation and conflict.

 

The October 7th attack can be understood within this context of ongoing hostility and mutual distrust. The immediate triggers for the attack may vary, ranging from specific incidents such as clashes between Israeli security forces and Palestinian protesters to broader geopolitical factors shaping the region. However, underlying grievances and unresolved issues contribute to the cycle of violence between Hamas and Israel.

 

 

For Hamas, launching rocket attacks serves multiple purposes. It aims to assert its military capabilities, demonstrate resistance against Israel, and rally support among Palestinians. Moreover, Hamas often seeks to exploit domestic and international attention generated by such attacks to advance its political agenda and leverage concessions from Israel or other actors.

 

 

On the Israeli side, the response to Hamas attacks typically involves airstrikes targeting Hamas infrastructure and militants in the Gaza Strip. Israel views these attacks as necessary measures to defend its citizens and deter future aggression from Hamas. However, the use of force also raises concerns about civilian casualties and exacerbates humanitarian crises in Gaza.

 

 

Ultimately, the October 7th Hamas attack underscores the volatile nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the urgent need for comprehensive and sustainable solutions to address its root causes. Efforts to de-escalate tensions, promote dialogue, and address the legitimate grievances of both Israelis and Palestinians are essential to breaking the cycle of violence and achieving lasting peace in the region.

 

11.04.24

 

That is only a small fraction of the whole story. It started with the end of WW2. I don't want to fill pages here but one reason for conflicts is that Israelis think they belong to the Western World. However, they are part of the Middle East. Similar to Saudis, Lebanese, Iranians eg. They have to learn to fit themselves in. They are not something special and should not be treated as to be.🙏

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

That is only a small fraction of the whole story. It started with the end of WW2. I don't want to fill pages here but one reason for conflicts is that Israelis think they belong to the Western World. However, they are part of the Middle East. Similar to Saudis, Lebanese, Iranians eg. They have to learn to fit themselves in. They are not something special and should not be treated as to be.🙏

Well, even Shia and and Sunni is as diverse as Judaism is, even they all are brothers. Family in blood, so go figure

Ban religion. 

Educate kids so they understand that religion is outdated and no longer needed. 

Make it an offence for parents, who are already brainwashed to believe the religious nonsense, to brainwash their kids.  This would break the cycle of belief in these ancient stories.

 

9 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

Ban religion. 

Educate kids so they understand that religion is outdated and no longer needed. 

Make it an offence for parents, who are already brainwashed to believe the religious nonsense, to brainwash their kids.  This would break the cycle of belief in these ancient stories.

 

If it wasnt religion, it would have been something else, thats how humans are.

 

Football hooligans, motorbike gangs, street gangs, or what ever we all need a fictional connection. Maybe not me or you, but everyone else semse to need something

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Well, even Shia and and Sunni is as diverse as Judaism is, even they all are brothers. Family in blood, so go figure

OP is referring to Israelis. Not to Jews !!

22 hours ago, Furioso said:

War, what's it good for? 

The military industrial complex?

8 hours ago, Freddy42OZ said:

Make it an offence for parents, who are already brainwashed to believe the religious nonsense, to brainwash their kids.  This would break the cycle of belief in these ancient stories.

The Soviet Union tried that. Religion is the opium of the people. Remember that?