BREAKING NEWS! Iran potentially triggers World War 3

[Brickleberry]

22 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Soon be 5 at least.

 

The UK is preparing to formally declare that Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) is a terrorist organisation.

The legal change would mean it becomes a criminal offence in the UK to belong to the group or support its activities.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64156965

 

 

Did you not notice that the article is 4 months old? Hardly soon to be anything....

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Did you not notice that the article is 4 months old? Hardly soon to be anything....

Is that the best excuse you could come up with, must try harder, these terrorists don't excuse themselves you know!🥴

[Brickleberry]

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You made a false claim, for example, the IRA is not voted as a terrorist group by the UN and only voted as such by the UK. The are indeed terrorist's though, I was in London when a few of their bombs went off.

 

They were terrorists to the UK and the US, but they were freedom fighters to several other nations. 2 states out of 205.

 

Interestingly, several IRA members ended up in the Irish Dail (parliament) Gerry Adams being one of the most prominent. The situation in Ireland is slightly similar to the current conflict between Hamas & Israel. Several nations consider Hamas to be freedom fighters, whilst a handful (around 20) designate them as a terrorist group.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

They were terrorists to the UK and the US, but they were freedom fighters to several other nations. 2 states out of 205.

 

Interestingly, several IRA members ended up in the Irish Dail (parliament) Gerry Adams being one of the most prominent. The situation in Ireland is slightly similar to the current conflict between Hamas & Israel. Several nations consider Hamas to be freedom fighters, whilst a handful (around 20) designate them as a terrorist group.

They are terrorists, simple fact. As are Hamas terrorists and no nothing like the the situation in Ireland.

Edited April 15 by Bkk Brian

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

What world do you live in? That's not how math or voting works!

 

We have 205 states. 4 of which say this is a terrorist group, 201 of which have refused to designate them as a terrorist group. Therefore, they are not a terrorist group.

 

For your logic to be correct, you would have to admit that the US, & Israel are terrorist states, as they have been labelled as such by other countries.

Who designated US a terrorist state?

Edited April 15 by Bkk Brian

[MangoKorat]

8 hours ago, sirineou said:

do you think that small border with NATO might be to operative phrase. .

If you had a dangerous neighbored, would you want him neighboring 66km ( The Suwałki Gap) or would you want an additional  2,295.04 kilometres to keep an eye on?

I don't get your point. People have speculated that Putin doesn't want Nato on his borders.  However the facts are that he already has that and if he takes Ukraine, he will have a much bigger one.

[Wobblybob]

5 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

They were terrorists to the UK and the US, but they were freedom fighters to several other nations. 2 states out of 205.

 

Interestingly, several IRA members ended up in the Irish Dail (parliament) Gerry Adams being one of the most prominent. The situation in Ireland is slightly similar to the current conflict between Hamas & Israel. Several nations consider Hamas to be freedom fighters, whilst a handful (around 20) designate them as a terrorist group.

I thought Gerry Adams was in Sinn Fein?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Netanyahu is horrible and he has to go, most Israelis want him gone, but the conflicts lsrael is dealing with don't magically go away without him.

Again IMHO, getting rid of Netanyahu and his government which is the biggest stumbling block, will also go a long way to getting rid of the next stumbling block which is Hamas and all of its government.

 

The biggest part after that will be to find enough sensible and powerful people on both sides to say that enough is enough. Too many people have died for NO good reason on either side.

 

The hatred and distrust on both sides must stop, and both Israelis and Palestinians HAVE to live and work side by side

Edited April 15 by billd766
Altered some text slightly

[eisfeld]

3 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I don't get your point. People have speculated that Putin doesn't want Nato on his borders.  However the facts are that he already has that and if he takes Ukraine, he will have a much bigger one.

 

Putins justifications never made any sense if one thinks about it for 5 seconds. He even strengthened NATO by pushing more countries to join and for existing members to increase defense spending. It's a sign of a twisted mind. Same for Iran. Just that Iran isn't as strong as Russia and knows they'd be pounded into dust in a full scale war. Both countries actually have quite some potential but it's completely wasted by their leaders who only know how to stir sht up instead of improving their own country. They only know how to scheme and make trouble.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Again IMHO, getting rid of Netanyahu and his government which is the biggest stumbling block, will also go a long way to getting rid of the next stumbling block which is the next problem.

 

The biggest part after that will be to find enough sensible and powerful people on both sides to say that enough is enough. Too many people have died for NO good reason on either side.

 

The hatred and distrust on both sides must stop, and both Israelis and Palestinians HAVE to live and work side by side

Easy to say what you're saying. Must this. Must that. Totally divorced from reality.

[billd766]

55 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

Totally agree with you. IMO Iran knew their missiles/drones probably wouldn't do any damage (ie: would be intercepted by the iron fist!), so their response was really symbolic. Unless provoked again by Israel they won't send anymore missiles/drones.

Thank you for a common sense response.

[MangoKorat]

2 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

Putins justifications never made any sense if one thinks about it for 5 seconds.

I don't believe any of what either he or his buddies have said.  The man is a meglamaniac and dreams of returning to Soviet days or maybe he dreams of being a Tsar?  If that's the case he might want to take account of what happened to the last Tsar and his family.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for a common sense response.

You have no idea have you, had it not been for the US, UK, France and Jordan all helping in shooting down missiles and drones there would have been massive damage in Israel, the Iron dome is not that good on its own. That said it was not as large as it could have been but large enough.

 

The experts:

 

IRAN’S ATTEMPT TO HIT ISRAEL WITH A RUSSIAN-STYLE STRIKE PACKAGE FAILED...FOR NOW

The Iranian April 13 missile-drone attack on Israel was very likely intended to cause significant damage below the threshold that would trigger a massive Israeli response.  The attack was designed to succeed, not to fail.  The strike package was modeled on those the Russians have used repeatedly against Ukraine to great effect. The attack caused more limited damage than intended likely because the Iranians underestimated the tremendous advantages Israel has in defending against such strikes compared with Ukraine. The Iranians will learn lessons from this strike and work to improve their abilities to penetrate Israeli defenses over time as the Russians have done in repeated strike series against Ukraine.

The strike consisted of approximately 170 drones, 30 cruise missiles, and 120 ballistic missiles.[1]  The drones were launched well before the ballistic missiles were fired, very likely in the expectation that they would arrive in Israel’s air defense window at about the same time as the cruise missiles and drones.  

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran’s-attempt-hit-israel-russian-style-strike-package-failedfor-now

[billd766]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Easy to say what you're saying. Must this. Must that. Totally divorced from reality.

Of course it is easy to say.

 

Much like murdering innocent Palestinian men women and children is easy. Stopping that happening is a hard part, and stopping that happening forever is harder than that.

 

What sensible suggestions do you have for stopping it?

[MangoKorat]

5 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I don't believe any of what either he or his buddies have said.  The man is a meglamaniac and dreams of returning to Soviet days or maybe he dreams of being a Tsar?  If that's the case he might want to take account of what happened to the last Tsar and his family.

Nice people those Russians.............

 

The Russian Imperial Romanov family (Nicholas II of Russia, his wife Alexandra Feodorovna, and their five children: Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexei) were shot and bayoneted to death^[2][3] by Bolshevik revolutionaries under Yakov Yurovsky on the orders of the Ural Regional Soviet in Yekaterinburg on the night of 16–17 July 1918.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_the_Romanov_family

[Brickleberry]

25 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

I thought Gerry Adams was in Sinn Fein?

 

Yes, that's right. Sinn Fein is the political wing, IRA was the military wing. Gerry Adams belonged to both, even though he denies it!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Adams#:~:text=Adams has stated repeatedly that,IRA leadership since the 1970s.

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Adams has stated repeatedly that he has never been a member of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA). However, journalists such as Ed Moloney, Peter Taylor and Mark Urban, and historian Richard English have all named Adams as part of the IRA leadership since the 1970s. Moloney and Taylor state Adams became the IRA's Chief of Staff following the arrest of Seamus Twomey in early December 1977, remaining in the position until 18 February 1978 when he, along with twenty other republican suspects, was arrested following the La Mon restaurant bombing.[36][37] He was charged with IRA membership and remanded to Crumlin Road Gaol.[38] 

 

Similar to Hamas really. Hama is the political wing, Whereas the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades form the military wing of the Palestinian organization Hamas.

 

As with the IRA/Sinn Fein, several countries that list 'Hamas' as a terrorist organization, only list the military wing as a terrorist organization, not the political wing.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-is-hamas-what-to-know-about-its-origins-leaders-and-funding

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Dozens of countries have designated Hamas a terrorist organization, though some apply this label only to its military wing. Iran provides it with material and financial support, and Turkey reportedly harbors some of its top leaders.

Its rival party, Fatah, which dominates the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and rules in the West Bank, has renounced violence. The split in Palestinian leadership and Hamas’s unwavering hostility toward Israel have diminished prospects for stability in Gaza.

 

[norfolkandchance]

1 hour ago, Paul Catton said:

Would suggest reference leans towards Private Pike

Dads Army "Pike"

Or the Travelling Comunity

[norfolkandchance]

54 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

I hope it isn't Rabbi Schmooley. You might wake up with one of his buttplugs and a hangover one day....

The Rabbit is back

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, eisfeld said:

 

Article 22 of the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations clearly states that the premises of the diplomatic mission are inviolable. It does not say inviolable by the host country. It is a convention that applies to all countries that ratified the treaty. That also applies to Israel. It would have been much smarter for Israel to bomb them when their targets were in some car or whatever. But I guess Israel doesn't care much anymore at this point.

 

   They were referring to the host Country .

It would be logical to have an embassy inviolable to everyone, China could just declares North Korea as being its Embassy and NK would then be untouchable 

 

Article 22 :

 

"The premises of a diplomatic mission are inviolable and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission; likewise, the host country must never search the premises, may not seize its documents or property, and must protect the mission from intrusion or damage"

 

   I

[sirineou]

46 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I don't get your point. People have speculated that Putin doesn't want Nato on his borders.  However the facts are that he already has that and if he takes Ukraine, he will have a much bigger one.

Incredible!! 

[Wobblybob]

The chief architect of 7/10 was one of the terrorists hit by the Israeli strike along with 5 other member of this evil regime.

 

 

[rexpotter]

Who cares about this <deleted>? Its too friggin hot.

[rexpotter]

1 minute ago, rexpotter said:

Who cares about this <deleted>? Its too friggin hot.

Stuck in my room with good aircon watching this forum all day long Not healthy.

Edited April 15 by rexpotter

[Yellowtail]

Has Biden cut off Israel yet? If not what's the hold up? I know he's trying to oust Bibi, but that might be a waste of time.  

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

 

 

Also you seem to have forgotten my comment about your wikipedia source .  Do I need to remind you?

 

 

   Those are facts though .

Iran states its senior military personnel were killed in the attack

Al-Jazeera states  that as well .

The Iranian revolutionary guard Corps also put out a statement saying 7 of their members died in the attack .

Wiki has stated that also 

They have all been named and their positions held and you seem to be the only person in the World who thinks they were just ordinary civilians unconnected with the military 

[eisfeld]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They were referring to the host Country .

It would be logical to have an embassy inviolable to everyone, China could just declares North Korea as being its Embassy and NK would then be untouchable 

 

Article 22 :

 

"The premises of a diplomatic mission are inviolable and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission; likewise, the host country must never search the premises, may not seize its documents or property, and must protect the mission from intrusion or damage"

 

   I

 

Of course China couldn't declare North Korea as being its Embassy. You can only declare something as a diplomatic mission inside a foreign country and with the permission of the host. Diplomatic missions also have specific duties and purposes. A whole country doesn't fit that requirement.

 

The first sentence of Article 22, paragraph 1 speaks only about the inviolability. What you quoted in bold is part of several paragraphs mixed together.

 

Your interpretation that an embassy is only protected from the receiving country but is fair game to third parties is absurd.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Brickleberry said:

 

I hope it isn't Rabbi Schmooley. You might wake up with one of his buttplugs and a hangover one day....

 

   Did he ask you to pay for the drink ?

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Those are facts though .

Iran states its senior military personnel were killed in the attack

Al-Jazeera states  that as well .

The Iranian revolutionary guard Corps also put out a statement saying 7 of their members died in the attack .

Wiki has stated that also 

They have all been named and their positions held and you seem to be the only person in the World who thinks they were just ordinary civilians unconnected with the military 

But they were someone's children!

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

 

Of course China couldn't declare North Korea as being its Embassy. You can only declare something as a diplomatic mission inside a foreign country and with the permission of the host. Diplomatic missions also have specific duties and purposes. A whole country doesn't fit that requirement.

 

The first sentence of Article 22, paragraph 1 speaks only about the inviolability. What you quoted in bold is part of several paragraphs mixed together.

 

Your interpretation that an embassy is only protected from the receiving country but is fair game to third parties is absurd.

 

   Its not absurd , Diplomats are only protected from the laws of the Country where they serve in , they arent protected from laws World wide .

   Besides , when an Embassy engages in military action, the Embassy then loses its right for protection .

  As a terror group were at the Iran Embassy engaging in terrorism, the Embassy then lost its right for protection 

[Jingthing]

54 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Of course it is easy to say.

 

Much like murdering innocent Palestinian men women and children is easy. Stopping that happening is a hard part, and stopping that happening forever is harder than that.

 

What sensible suggestions do you have for stopping it?

Obnoxious shameless one sided bait ignored.