Trump criminal case: Full 12-person jury seated in Manhattan

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, G_Money said:

Either way I’m accurate.

 

What year did Stormy the horny take place?

 

At least it wasn’t 30+ years ago like the other Gold Digger.  20?

 

 

In what sane country would charges relating to so long ago that recollections will be erroneous, and it is unlikely any proof exists be accepted in a court?

Going to court and the only proof one has is that they say so Is an abomination, IMO.

 

If they lose, IMO the accusers should have to pay compensation to Trump for wasting his time.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/20/2024 at 9:35 AM, Danderman123 said:

It sounds like you are about to set yourself on fire.

 

Seriously, Trump allegedly committed crimes, and is now on trial. Why are you so worked up over it?

 

There is no end of people who were unjustly prosecuted, why aren't you posting about them? Do you know about the Central Park Five?

If he wasn't trying to be president again If he didn't look like he is going to be president again do you believe that he would have so many charges against him, all of them conveniently happening during the election campaign? I very much doubt it.

[Tug]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

In what sane country would charges relating to so long ago that recollections will be erroneous, and it is unlikely any proof exists be accepted in a court?

Going to court and the only proof one has is that they say so Is an abomination, IMO.

 

If they lose, IMO the accusers should have to pay compensation to Trump for wasting his time.

There is a paper trail it will be proven in a court not by mr trump crying like the trustfund baby that he is go ahead and carry water for him buy some stock or one of his comic book nft jokes us Americans are sick of the Putin  fan boy ex president pull the handle and flush plus the republicans would be wise to dump him take the hit and move on

[pomchop]

On 4/19/2024 at 12:51 AM, BigStar said:

 

Imagined massive importance in the minds of the loony left. Political attempt to apply state law to a federal matter, which the Feds already declined to prosecute. Will be overturned.

 

 

Indictments aren't damning, no defense is presented, and a good prosecutor can get a ham sandwich indicted. Jan 6 already in trouble at SCOTUS. How much of "documents" can proceed, and proceed to where, is in doubt. 🙂 

 

 

One word: Bitcoin. New companies, particularly in media, tech, and biotech, are often vastly overvalued long before they show a profit. Trump's wealth isn't dependent on TMTG. I doubt he's worried. Entrepreneurs are used to bankruptcies and ups and downs.

 

 

You have to admire his resilience and strength in the face of relentless persecution by the left. Man's got balls. Also the ability to make lemonade out of lemons. Had a great campaign appearance recently. I imagine donations will increase.

 

So let's do hope that justice is done and all these Dem political cases against him will be dismissed or overturned on appeal. And hope on the other hand that justice is done to the Biden family. 🙂 

 

 

 

yep those damn dem political witch hunts where most all those testifying against him are people that were life long repulicans who voted for trump and worked for him then suddenly decided to just make up a bunch of lies so they and their families can get death threats from the maga mob....

[pomchop]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If he wasn't trying to be president again If he didn't look like he is going to be president again do you believe that he would have so many charges against him, all of them conveniently happening during the election campaign? I very much doubt it.

yep those damn dem political witch hunts where most all those testifying against him are people that were life long repulicans who voted for trump and worked for him then suddenly decided to just make up a bunch of lies so they and their families can get death threats from the maga mob....

[Danderman123]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If he wasn't trying to be president again If he didn't look like he is going to be president again do you believe that he would have so many charges against him, all of them conveniently happening during the election campaign? I very much doubt it.

Sure.

 

He was going to go down for the January 6 stuff.

 

Sure indictment for the classified documents.

 

The Stormy Daniels case was in process for a long time.

 

So, yeah, these cases have nothing to do with his candidacy 

[G_Money]

What’s Stormy afraid of?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-lawyers-tried-to-subpoena-stormy-daniels-but-instead-this-happened

[G_Money]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

If the facts did not point to trump having violated these laws, he would not have been charged. That I can guarantee.

 

Michael Cohen is not, to the best of my knowledge, running for President, yet he was tried and convicted on some of these very same charges, and went to jail because of it. The same is true of Allen Weisselberg. Both allegedly did trump's bidding and paid the price. The jury will now decide if what witness statements, documents, and recorded telephone conversations back up what Cohen and others allege.

 

The laws, as noted in the indictment and my post, are quite clear and on the books of the State of NY. Beginning Monday, we shall all see exactly why the charges were brought. The defense will be interesting to watch, as although trump has denied the affairs with Stormy and Ms McDougal, it seems the defense is now leaning toward admitting at least the Stormy affair. The prosecution apparently plans to call, inter alia, both Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to the stand to discuss both their assignations with trump as well as the payments for them to remain silent. It should make for grand theater.

 

Now I wonder if anyone will also argue that if trump were not running for President, Georgia would not have indicted him for RICO violations and attempting to coerce the GA SecState to alter votes, or that the DoJ would not have indicted trump for the theft of highly classified documents and subsequently lying to the FBI about returning them, or obstruction the pro forma certification of the 2020 election which trump lost?

And why these are charges being made now and not within a timely manner after the supposed allegations?

 

Because Trump is running for President and will most likely win.  No other reasons.

[BigStar]

4 hours ago, pomchop said:

yep those damn dem political witch hunts where most all those testifying against him are people that were life long repulicans who voted for trump and worked for him then suddenly decided to just make up a bunch of lies so they and their families can get death threats from the maga mob....

 

So naive. It's all about money & power. The threats came from Dim party and their thugs. 

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

And why these are charges being made now and not within a timely manner after the supposed allegations?

 

Because Trump is running for President and will most likely win.  No other reasons.

Perhaps you need to consider the reasons behind the dismissal of U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman, by Barr and later Trump, during the investigation of Individual No.1 after Cohen's 2019 arrest for campaign finance violations.

[G_Money]

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Perhaps you need to consider the reasons behind the dismissal of U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman, by Barr and later Trump, during the investigation of Individual No.1 after Cohen's 2019 arrest for campaign finance violations.

And the reverence to Stormy is?

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The Stormy Daniels case was in process for a long time.

How long ago did it happen ( 2006 )? Yet they waited till now to do something about it.

 

Stop pulling my leg, you've pulled it so much it's getting sore.

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How long ago did it happen ( 2006 )? Yet they waited till now to do something about it.

 

Stop pulling my leg, you've pulled it so much it's getting sore.

Once again, the trial isn't about Trump's adultery in 2006, it's about writing checks in 2016-17 to cover up his adultery. The coverup wasn't uncovered until 2018-19.

 

You don't seem to know the basic facts of this case.

[Danderman123]

20 hours ago, G_Money said:

And why these are charges being made now and not within a timely manner after the supposed allegations?

 

Because Trump is running for President and will most likely win.  No other reasons.

Because the coverup wasn't discovered until much later.

 

DA Bragg came into office in 2022, and indicted Trump the next year.

 

And Trump's lawyers have been delaying ever since.

Edited April 22 by Danderman123

[Walker88]

21 hours ago, G_Money said:

And why these are charges being made now and not within a timely manner after the supposed allegations?

 

Because Trump is running for President and will most likely win.  No other reasons.

Danderman123 already answered, but I will add that a thorough investigation takes time, and since Bragg entered office and began questioning Michael Cohen, it took time to gather all the documents and recorded phone calls, get a warrant to look at the accounting entries trump and Weisselberg made, etc.

 

Once the charges were brought, trump filed a host of motions that delayed, as he has been doing in every case for which he has been indicted. Had he not filed all the motions to delay---and perhaps if he knew he was innocent and was intent on proving it---the trials might all be over now, and either trump would have been proven innocent, or he would have been proven guilty.

 

The voters have a right to know if one candidate is a felon, yet trump files endless motions to delay, hoping he can avoid conviction until after the election. Of course he cannot pardon himself for the hush money trial, as that is a State issue, and neither can he pardon himself for alleged RICO violations in Georgia.

 

He has now spent $86 million in legal fees, all of which he took from goober donations to his various PACS. The endless motions to delay no doubt have cost him a considerable portion of that sum, though the lawyers must be happy they are getting paid that much, and the goobers who donated to his PACS don't seem to mind getting fleeced by their messiah.

[ballpoint]

On 4/19/2024 at 6:20 AM, Social Media said:

In a significant development for the legal proceedings surrounding former US President Donald Trump, a full jury has been sworn in for his historic criminal trial in New York City.

 

Headline coming soon:

 

"In a significant development for the legal proceedings surrounding former US President Donald Trump, a full jury has been sworn at on Truth Social".

[Danderman123]

47 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How long ago did it happen ( 2006 )? Yet they waited till now to do something about it.

 

Stop pulling my leg, you've pulled it so much it's getting sore.

It sounds like you are reciting the talking point of the day. Unfortunately, this talking point has come up before, and has been rebutted many times.

 

Judge denies Trump’s third attempt this week to delay hush-money trial

 

Keeping Up With the Trump Trials: So Those Delay Tactics Really Worked, Huh?

 

 

[bendejo]

On 4/19/2024 at 8:00 PM, jerrymahoney said:

So as of today,  Count 28, which references the Raffensperger phone call, does not exist.

Take this as a reminder that Georgia is still Georgia.  As if that raving rep in the House isn't enough.

 

[Walker88]

It's certainly going to be entertaining watching how the trial unfolds. From comments made by trump's legal team, it suggests the defense is going to change from 'don't even know horseface' to 'yes, he had an affair, but his goal was to keep from embarrassing his wife'.

 

That, however, would do nothing to change the allegations of altered business records. It seems that if the payoff was done in order to affect the election, that makes it a felony in NY State, but if the defense admits to the affair and wins over the jury that the poor little serial philanderer just didn't want to upset the wife he was cheating on, the business alterations and fraud might be reduced to misdemeanors.

 

No matter the defense strategy, trump is going to have to sit hours and days on end, listening to witness after witness talk about his affairs and his attempts to cover them up. For a guy who likes to believe he's always in control, this is going to hurt him badly.

 

The danger for trump if he forces his defense team to still claim the trysts never happened, is that the prosecution then will be able to ask each witness---Stormy and Karen McDougal---to describe exactly what went down, and for bonafides they will likely be asked to describe trump's physical makeup. Because Stormy has already made comments about what she (allegedly) saw, the prosecution can quote her word for word and ask her if she stands by those descriptions under oath. trump definitely wouldn't like the entire world to be reminded of 'mushrooms' and 'well below average'.

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Because the coverup wasn't discovered until much later.

 

DA Bragg came into office in 2022, and indicted Trump the next year.

 

And Trump's lawyers have been delaying ever since.

Exactly what I expected.  
 

Just in time for Trump’s campaign and Bragg had to keep his promise to “Get Trump “.

 

Political?  I think so.

[Tug]

3 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Exactly what I expected.  
 

Just in time for Trump’s campaign and Bragg had to keep his promise to “Get Trump “.

 

Political?  I think so.

One thing to me is telling not one of his family members is there in court supporting him not a one,those are the folks that know him best very telling but not in the least surprising 

[jerrymahoney]

12 minutes ago, Tug said:

One thing to me is telling not one of his family members is there in court supporting him not a one,those are the folks that know him best very telling but not in the least surprising 

During his lengthy remarks to potential jurors regarding the case, Judge Merchan listed several individuals who could potentially be called as witnesses at trial -- but emphasized that not all would be summoned to the stand. <SKIP>

 

Several Trump family members were also named, including Melania Trump, Eric Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-hush-money-trial/trump-family-administration-officials-could-be-called-as-witnesses-109263105?id=108402689

 

 

 

[candide]

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

During his lengthy remarks to potential jurors regarding the case, Judge Merchan listed several individuals who could potentially be called as witnesses at trial -- but emphasized that not all would be summoned to the stand. <SKIP>

 

Several Trump family members were also named, including Melania Trump, Eric Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-hush-money-trial/trump-family-administration-officials-could-be-called-as-witnesses-109263105?id=108402689

 

 

 

In case Trump's lawyer would claim that his 'mushroom' is not as described by Stormy, his wife may be called to testify in order to corroborate (or not) Stormy's testimony! 😀

[jerrymahoney]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

In case Trump's lawyer would claim that his 'mushroom' is not as described by Stormy, his wife may be called to testify in order to corroborate (or not) Stormy's testimony! 😀

And that presumes that Stormy actually ever saw it.

[earlinclaifornia]

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

And that presumes that Stormy actually ever saw it.

Maybe the Judge will have Trump come to the bench and settle the argument?

[candide]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

And that presumes that Stormy actually ever saw it.

Isn't it the reason why another testimony would be necessary?

[jerrymahoney]

I was just replying to Mr. Tug that named potential witnesses are not allowed in court.

 

You folks can provide the comedy.

[Walker88]

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

And that presumes that Stormy actually ever saw it.

Prosecution can ask both Stormy and Karen McDougal to describe what they claim to have seen. Melania cannot be called to the stand, as far as I know, as she is the current wife, but in a pinch, Marla Maples could be called to corroborate or take exception to, what Stormy and McDougal describe.

 

No matter, it's not going to be pretty, and is likely to upset trump a lot (though it could be a bonanza for enoki mushroom sales, as trumpers will scoff them up to show their fealty).

Edited April 22 by Walker88

[jerrymahoney]

17 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Prosecution can ask both Stormy and Karen McDougal to describe what they claim to have seen.

Maybe someone else told them so hearsay.

 

NB Today's headline NY Times:

 

Will a Mountain of Evidence Be Enough to Convict Trump?

Monday will see opening statements in the People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump. A conviction is far from assured.

Edited April 22 by jerrymahoney

[Danderman123]

59 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Exactly what I expected.  
 

Just in time for Trump’s campaign and Bragg had to keep his promise to “Get Trump “.

 

Political?  I think so.

Nothing in your post helps Trump prove his innocence.

 

A DA promising to convict a perp doesn't make the perp innocent.