The reality

[Srikcir]

Reality can bite.

"Will hydrogen overtake batteries in the race for zero-emission cars?", by Jasper Jolly Feb. 13, 2024

https://www.theguardian.com/business/

• Batteries are already the post-petrol choice for almost every manufacturer.
• Batteries’ domination is likely to be extended as the money pouring into research and infrastructure addresses questions of range and charging times. Compared with that flood of investment, hydrogen is a trickle.
• Toyota acknowledges that hydrogen in cars has so far “not been successful”, mainly because of the lack of fuel supply, according to its technical chief, Hiroki Nakajima

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

You’ve obviously never sat in an EV, much less driven one.

 

You should try it sometime, before common here and exposing your ignorance.

 

 

 

Great video, very balanced.

[josephbloggs]

4 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Looks like BYD has a service problem in Thailand 🇹🇭. 

 

Maybe, maybe not.  I recently had an accident in my wife's Honda HR-V. Nothing major, but a rear ender in traffic. It took six weeks to fix, and when I got it back the radiator was leaking so they took it back for another 10 days.

You have to wait for parts, I didn't go whining to a FB group.

Is 32 days too long? It would definitely be nice to be quicker, but it is a relatively new brand expanding quickly in Thailand. And my legacy brand took longer for less damage than that.

Aren't we really scraping the barrel now with this post finding a single person who thought their repair took too long?? She has some pretty extensive panel damage. Do they keep those body panels sitting around in all colours in warehouses? No. Do Honda? No. Do BMW? No. She also looks to have some not insignificant A pillar damage, not an easy fix.

 

32 days "without fixing a nut"? They order parts, wait for them to arrive then fix everything, just as they did with my HR-V.

It is just nonsense.

Maybe the new more reasonable EOW is no more?

 

 

Edited April 23 by josephbloggs

[josephbloggs]

33 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Maybe, maybe not.  I recently had an accident in my wife's Honda HR-V. Nothing major, but a rear ender in traffic. It took six weeks to fix, and when I got it back the radiator was leaking so they took it back for another 10 days.

You have to wait for parts, I didn't go whining to a FB group.

Is 32 days too long? It would definitely be nice to be quicker, but it is a relatively new brand expanding quickly in Thailand. And my legacy brand took longer for less damage than that.

Aren't we really scraping the barrel now with this post finding a single person who thought their repair took too long?? She has some pretty extensive panel damage. Do they keep those body panels sitting around in all colours in warehouses? No. Do Honda? No. Do BMW? No. She also looks to have some not insignificant A pillar damage, not an easy fix.

 

32 days "without fixing a nut"? They order parts, wait for them to arrive then fix everything, just as they did with my HR-V.

It is just nonsense.

Maybe the new more reasonable EOW is no more?

 

 

 

 

Too late to edit, but for @ExpatOilWorker if you smashed your BMW, bent the wheels, had significant body panel damage and A pillar damage would you have to wait for parts? More than 32 days? How long would your "Performance Motors" stickers take to be reprinted? That is obviously the most important thing, as a BMW is nothing without the stickers....

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Too late to edit, but for @ExpatOilWorker if you smashed your BMW, bent the wheels, had significant body panel damage and A pillar damage would you have to wait for parts? More than 32 days? How long would your "Performance Motors" stickers take to be reprinted? That is obviously the most important thing, as a BMW is nothing without the stickers....

You should try one of those BMWs - if you can afford them.

Most of them are fun, even without stickers.

 

 

 

 

[AhFarangJa]

23 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There should be no government support for BEVs, charging stations, end of life of real cars, etc.

If people want to buy EVs, ok, let them buy them. And if people choose real cars, that is also fine. Up to each individual.

Greata can walk. 

Agreed, nothing to do with climate control, I still believe it is all part of the future control. 15 minute cities, CBDC, etc. People may tell me to adjust the tin hat, but you only have to look towards the banks to see what is happening.

[Sticky Rice Balls]

20 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

yet you posted a  video from a  journalist (at best). The infrastructure isnt there and charging is too  slow. Id  take Sabines view over the bimbo woman.

i posted a vdo from the SAME LADY you did......so when u dont agree a woman becomes a bimbo...thanks for showing your true self 🙂

[Sticky Rice Balls]

21 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

The whole video is  about infrastructure but  keep playing stupid  fukkin games if u like

says the rabbit that uses "REALITY" as a header and vdo that headlines about EV.......whos playing the games here????.....

[Sticky Rice Balls]

20 hours ago, brianthainess said:

I hate those touch buttons to 'press', give me a leaver I can feel, not something I'd have to glance down at or at least a proper button.

plenty of ladyboys in LOS if thats your thing 🙂  jk

[ExpatOilWorker]

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Maybe the new more reasonable EOW is no more?

The reasonable EOW is celebrating 🍾 a million wells completed 😊 😃. 

[ExpatOilWorker]

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

How long would your "Performance Motors" stickers take to be reprinted?

We have plenty of stickers. You want some?

[ExpatOilWorker]

We have plenty of stickers. You want some?

Edited April 24 by ExpatOilWorker

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

You should try one of those BMWs - if you can afford them.

Most of them are fun, even without stickers.

Bit of a silly and pointless dig there about affording them. Not going to get in to a pissing contest but I have owned much higher performance cars than any BMW.  And driven (rented) many more much higher performance supercars. Happy with my choices.

No doubt the M3's and M5's of this world are great cars but they've never really floated my boat. Maybe because they didn't have stickers on them, not sure. But your bog standard BMWs - 320, 325, 330, 520 etc do absolutely nothing for me, and I have test driven them in the past before choosing something else. And their diesels are appalling.

[josephbloggs]

7 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

We have plenty of stickers. You want some?

Sticker-tastic! And glad to see your daughter is taking her safety seriously with the helmet, very nice.

I think you could do with a spirit level next time you apply stickers though....

[josephbloggs]

37 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The reasonable EOW is celebrating 🍾 a million wells completed 😊 😃. 

Well done (excuse the pun).  Oil is - for now - still important, and it keeps my cars running.

Doesn't change the reality of EVs being superior vehicles though.

Edited April 24 by josephbloggs

[JBChiangRai]

13 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

 

The title of the thread is "Reality". EV's are one-trick ponies. 0 to whatever acceleration is their only trick. Or the only trick people keep harping on about. 

 

GWM Ora is quicker away from the lights but slower to 100kph/60 than a Suzuki Celerio.

 

Acceleration is not their only trick, there is handling, braking, reliability, total cost of ownership, reduced fuel & maintenance cost, increased driver satisfaction, do you need more?

 

9 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Reality can bite.

"Will hydrogen overtake batteries in the race for zero-emission cars?", by Jasper Jolly Feb. 13, 2024

https://www.theguardian.com/business/

• Batteries are already the post-petrol choice for almost every manufacturer.
• Batteries’ domination is likely to be extended as the money pouring into research and infrastructure addresses questions of range and charging times. Compared with that flood of investment, hydrogen is a trickle.
• Toyota acknowledges that hydrogen in cars has so far “not been successful”, mainly because of the lack of fuel supply, according to its technical chief, Hiroki Nakajima

 

The issue is not just availability of fuel, it's cost of that fuel, it's more expensive than petrol.  Another problem is icing up of the filler nozzle delaying unplugging the nozzle by minutes to an hour or more.

 

42 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

We have plenty of stickers. You want some?

 

We have totally different approaches to decorating our cars, I remove most of the manufacturer's badges because I think they are tacky. I think I took 4 off my daughter's MG4 and 2 off my BYD Seal. I also told the dealers NOT to put any dealer stickers on the car and replaced the registration holders for ones without the dealer's name.

[UWEB]

On 4/23/2024 at 8:06 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Thanks for sharing your superior knowledge. 

You are welcome. I'm more than willing to help older people to understand new technology.

[john donson]

if you live in a condo...how do you charge your car ? lol

[couchpotato]

32 minutes ago, john donson said:

if you live in a condo...how do you charge your car ? lol

Just run a long extension cord from your Condo window/balcony down to the garage...so easy!

Or if you have that very small EV, then it'll probably fit in the elevator, so can actually charge in the room!

[richard_smith237]

38 minutes ago, john donson said:

if you live in a condo...how do you charge your car ? lol

 

Some will suggest get away with it until someone complains.

 

Ultimately, you will not be a permitted to charge your car on 'co-owners' electricity.... Thus, you'd have to arrange (and pay for) a dedicated meter so you can pay separately. 

 

OR... the condo installs their own outlets (just a 240v regular plug) - and you use a 'log in device' such as an RFID card and your electricity usage is registered - you receive a bill monthly etc.

 

As EV usage increases - I imagine Condo's and Apartments will go this way and install extra power-points that run off some sort of meter which is paid for by the user.

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

Just run a long extension cord from your Condo window/balcony down to the garage...so easy!

Or if you have that very small EV, then it'll probably fit in the elevator, so can actually charge in the room!

 

But you'd still be using electricity generated by hydrocarbons... 

So... Put SolarCells on the roof, and run the power down to your car charger from that.... 

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, john donson said:

if you live in a condo...how do you charge your car ? lol

If you have no way to charge your car at home then an EV is not for you - it is not rocket science.

Has anyone ever claimed everybody should have an EV no matter what their circumstance? Why do people insist on coming up with ridiculous "what if" scenarios to support their anti EV stance?

If you can't charge one you shouldn't buy one. 

Next!

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

If you have no way to charge your car at home then an EV is not for you - it is not rocket science.

Has anyone ever claimed everybody should have an EV no matter what their circumstance? Why do people insist on coming up with ridiculous "what if" scenarios to support their anti EV stance?

If you can't charge one you shouldn't buy one. 

Next!

 

Next here...   think bigger picture....

 

What if scenario for you: What IF the whole idea of EV's is to have cleaner cities... then more in the city will be encouraged to have an EV.

More of those people in the inner cities will live in largo condo blocks and areas of high population density.

 

How will charing occur in Condo's when many more people or even most of the occupants have an EV ???

 

 

So...  while I agree, on the individual level its not rocket science, thinking beyond over simplified and dumbed down responses.... the issue is genuine... 

 

 

12 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Has anyone ever claimed everybody should have an EV no matter what their circumstance?

 

"No new petrol or diesel cars sold from 2030"  -   Ring a bell ???

 

 

 

[josephbloggs]

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Next here...   think bigger picture....

 

What if scenario for you: What IF the whole idea of EV's is to have cleaner cities... then more in the city will be encouraged to have an EV.

More of those people in the inner cities will live in largo condo blocks and areas of high population density.

 

How will charing occur in Condo's when many more people or even most of the occupants have an EV ???

 

 

So...  while I agree, on the individual level its not rocket science, thinking beyond over simplified and dumbed down responses.... the issue is genuine... 

More "what ifs". So allow me to "what if" too. 

What if governments mandated that all new condos need to provide EV charging? What if they also backdated that so existing condos need to add them? Condos also have councils and people pay common fees, so if the people want them they will be installed.

I don't think the whole world will be driving EVs any time soon, but they are continuing to grow in popularity, especially in cities (where most condos are). I imagine in future EV charging will be a selling point of a new condo. You live in Bangkok and a young family in five years' time want to buy one I expect EV charging will be a consideration in where they choose, and I also expect it will be a requirement to have charging stations for any new condo. Do I know this for a fact? No. But I expect it - it's my "what if".

Do you not expect this to change given the EV uptake? You are talking about condos that were built before EV popularity was a thing.

 

Quote

"No new petrol or diesel cars sold from 2030"  -   Ring a bell ???

If you are talking of the UK it is 2035. And see my reply above.  You think they will mandate EVs without mandating charging infrastructure in buildings? I know the Tories are corrupt and useless but surely not that useless. Then again....

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

More "what ifs". So allow me to "what if" too. 

What if governments mandated that all new condos need to provide EV charging? What if they also backdated that so existing condos need to add them? Condos also have councils and people pay common fees, so if the people want them they will be installed.

I don't think the whole world will be driving EVs any time soon, but they are continuing to grow in popularity, especially in cities (where most condos are). I imagine in future EV charging will be a selling point of a new condo. You live in Bangkok and a young family in five years' time want to buy one I expect EV charging will be a consideration in where they choose, and I also expect it will be a requirement to have charging stations for any new condo. Do I know this for a fact? No. But I expect it - it's my "what if".

Do you not expect this to change given the EV uptake? You are talking about condos that were built before EV popularity was a thing.
 

 

I agree...  Well done - nice big picture thinking there !!...

 

 

 

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

If you are talking of the UK it is 2035. And see my reply above.  You think they will mandate EVs without mandating charging infrastructure in buildings? I know the Tories are corrupt and useless but surely not that useless. Then again....

 

I'm guessing it'll keep getting nudged on....    

 

[Ralf001]

On 4/24/2024 at 12:46 AM, josephbloggs said:

Maybe, maybe not.  I recently had an accident in my wife's Honda HR-V. Nothing major, but a rear ender in traffic. It took six weeks to fix, and when I got it back the radiator was leaking so they took it back for another 10 days.

You have to wait for parts, I didn't go whining to a FB group.
 

Yeah a lad at work got into a fender bender in his 2023 Ford Ranger.

 

Needs new Hood/Headlights/RH Fender/RH Door.

 

Its has been at the repair center since November last year, still waiting for replacement parts.

 

[JBChiangRai]

8 hours ago, john donson said:

if you live in a condo...how do you charge your car ? lol

 

My 76 year old lady friend just bought an EV, she can't charge at home, she goes for a coffee once a week at Amazon/PTT and charges her car there whilst relaxing.

[Gweiloman]

9 hours ago, john donson said:

if you live in a condo...how do you charge your car ? lol

If you don’t have a petrol pump at home, how do you fill your petrol tank? You go to a petrol station, don’t you? Similarly, if you can’t charge your EV at home, you go to a charging station. Never thought of that, did you? Did you? Lol.

[KhunLA]

On 4/24/2024 at 12:46 AM, josephbloggs said:

Maybe, maybe not.  I recently had an accident in my wife's Honda HR-V. Nothing major, but a rear ender in traffic. It took six weeks to fix, and when I got it back the radiator was leaking so they took it back for another 10 days.

You have to wait for parts, I didn't go whining to a FB group.

Is 32 days too long? It would definitely be nice to be quicker, but it is a relatively new brand expanding quickly in Thailand. And my legacy brand took longer for less damage than that.

Aren't we really scraping the barrel now with this post finding a single person who thought their repair took too long?? She has some pretty extensive panel damage. Do they keep those body panels sitting around in all colours in warehouses? No. Do Honda? No. Do BMW? No. She also looks to have some not insignificant A pillar damage, not an easy fix.

 

32 days "without fixing a nut"? They order parts, wait for them to arrive then fix everything, just as they did with my HR-V.

It is just nonsense.

Maybe the new more reasonable EOW is no more?

 

 

We had an oops, posted about elsewhere, and MG squared it all away in a timely manner.  Actually expected it to take longer.   Did the initial repair in about a month, then when test driving, noticed it needed more, so just another 2 weeks to rectify that.  Actually impressed with timing and workmanship.

 

Didn't need the car during that time, and why we have the scooter, for a bit of pleasure, and back up.

Edited April 26 by KhunLA