HighPriority Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 hours ago, vinny41 said: Thailand is known to be one of the most unsafe countries worldwide when measured by the proportion of people who die in a road traffic accident. In its most recent global report (2018), the WHO ranks Thailand as the number 9 country with the highest road traffic death rate, with 32.7 deaths per 100,000 population (2018) We know what the main causes of accidents are: motorcyclists not wearing a helmet, people drinking and driving, and speeding. These three risk behaviors, often combined, make traffic dangerous for both the drivers and the passengers, but also for pedestrians, bicyclists and other road users. https://www.who.int/thailand/news/detail/03-01-2023-a-new-year-s-resolution--for-life Once we have seen a major accident in Thailand resulting in a number of children deaths and the root cause of the accident was ev extreme acceleration I expect the Government will pass laws that mandate acceleration be limited in EV Acceleration and speeding are very different creatures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, HighPriority said: Acceleration and speeding are very different creatures. Both dangerous in the wrong hands......🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPriority Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, Presnock said: When/if EV's rule the road, then cometh the tax man. Nowadays (US anyway) fuel is taxed and supposedly goes for infrastructure repairs and constructions...so, once gasoline ceases to be needed, states and fed will look to taxing motorists by the miles they drive every year - just wait they'll have to make up those billions of gasonline taxes for infrastructure in some manner and we already know that the govt is tax happy anyway. My opinion. Congratulations on forming an opinion, what is its relevance to the price of fish and chips ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 minutes ago, transam said: Back home, insurance cost is based on a few things, including performance of the vehicle. The acceleration of an EV would put it into a very high insurance bracket. Also, I would expect to see more folk killed in an EV if they start using the available power and didn't know what they were doing..... Anyone here got an EV in the UK, if so what is the insurance premium...? 🤗 Chinese EVs Become Virtually Uninsurable In UK Even Though There’s Nothing Wrong With Them Lack of parts, Long period off the road waiting for parts from China ,No documentation on how to repair vehicles, mismatch in the viability of repairs Chinese costs vs European Costs No Supply Chain https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPriority Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 15 minutes ago, transam said: Back home, insurance cost is based on a few things, including performance of the vehicle. The acceleration of an EV would put it into a very high insurance bracket. Also, I would expect to see more folk killed in an EV if they start using the available power and didn't know what they were doing..... Anyone here got an EV in the UK, if so what is the insurance premium...? 🤗 Where does your assumption that ev drivers can’t drive come from ? The ev drivers here are your peers in age and driving experience who have decided that they have found a vehicle better than an ice. Go troll elsewhere. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPriority Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 11 minutes ago, transam said: Both dangerous in the wrong hands......🤔 But safe in yours… 🤣🤣🤣🤣 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, HighPriority said: Congratulations on forming an opinion, what is its relevance to the price of fish and chips ? To fish and chips nothing other than perhaps recycled vegetable oil . But I understand the question raised is when will Govts. introduce an identified levy ( tax ) on EV charging stations ? And will that extend to the home charger plug in wall socket arrangements people have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, HighPriority said: But safe in yours… 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I never said that, another EV twist........🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPriority Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, 0ffshore360 said: To fish and chips nothing other than perhaps recycled vegetable oil . But I understand the question raised is when will Govts. introduce an identified levy ( tax ) on EV charging stations ? And will that extend to the home charger plug in wall socket arrangements people have? If governments choose to levy electricity they will. i very much doubt they will levy electricity I produce Even if somehow electricity was taxed to the point where ev cost the same per km to run as an ice the ev still has better performance and lower maintenance costs, so what exactly is your problem ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HighPriority said: Even if somehow electricity was taxed to the point where ev cost the same per km to run as an ice the ev still has better performance The title of the thread is "Reality". EV's are one-trick ponies. 0 to whatever acceleration is their only trick. Or the only trick people keep harping on about. GWM Ora is quicker away from the lights but slower to 100kph/60 than a Suzuki Celerio. Edited April 23 by VocalNeal 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, HighPriority said: If governments choose to levy electricity they will. i very much doubt they will levy electricity I produce Even if somehow electricity was taxed to the point where ev cost the same per km to run as an ice the ev still has better performance and lower maintenance costs, so what exactly is your problem ? Whoah Neddy ! Less assumptive aggression please! I am merely adding opinion to an aspect of ev operating costs that I have never seen mentioned or "factored in ". I do not own an ev but I do agree that in most ways they have an advantage over ICE vehicles. The simplist explanation to support my approval is explained just the same as EV versus ICEV. But more to the point of road/highway taxes to offset costs of creation or maintaining I have yet to see mention of such imposed on ev. The historical imposition of fuel taxes theoretically based on providing transport corridors has long been made illegitimate by use of public taxpayer funds to create toll roads operated for profit . OSY ! Regardless it is road user levies that keep wheels turning. Best efficiency is rail ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 9 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: The title of the thread is "Reality". EV's are one-trick ponies. 0 to whatever acceleration is their only trick. Or the only trick people keep harping on about. GWM Ora is quicker away from the lights but slower to 100kph/60 than a Suzuki Celerio. Does the typical owner of an ev require 100 kph in seconds in urban streets? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 ^ No, so mythical better performance is not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Why can't rational people come to terms with the fact that "horses for courses" still applies ? Somewhere I recall reading that the average speed of a horse and carriage along the main street of New York in the early 1900's was about 16 mph. Now supercars in traffic average about 4 mph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 41 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Chinese EVs Become Virtually Uninsurable In UK Even Though There’s Nothing Wrong With Them Lack of parts, Long period off the road waiting for parts from China ,No documentation on how to repair vehicles, mismatch in the viability of repairs Chinese costs vs European Costs No Supply Chain https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/ Sounds like chaos in the BYD/MG after market service centers. Is it any different in Thailand 🇹🇭 or are the Chinese brands hanging their customers out to dry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: ^ No, so mythical better performance is not an issue. In "real " terms of usage for that majority? IMO no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motdaeng Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said: Does the typical owner of an ev require 100 kph in seconds in urban streets? answer: no ... neither a porsche, ferrari, lamborghini, mb or even a transam ... but it is nice to have it ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Sounds like chaos in the BYD/MG after market service centers. Is it any different in Thailand 🇹🇭 or are the Chinese brands hanging their customers out to dry? Or are well funded lobby groups countering competition with propaganda and bureaucratic obstruction? Perhaps not dis-similar to initial resistance to Japan then Korea then Taiwan then Chinese whatevers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, motdaeng said: answer: no ... neither a porsche, ferrari, lamborghini, mb or even a transam ... but it is nice to have it ... Lol. True for those who desire the image. Unfortunately the reality so often featured not only in Thailand is that money .does not purchase driving competency . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPriority Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 20 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said: Whoah Neddy ! Less assumptive aggression please! I am merely adding opinion to an aspect of ev operating costs that I have never seen mentioned or "factored in ". I do not own an ev but I do agree that in most ways they have an advantage over ICE vehicles. The simplist explanation to support my approval is explained just the same as EV versus ICEV. But more to the point of road/highway taxes to offset costs of creation or maintaining I have yet to see mention of such imposed on ev. The historical imposition of fuel taxes theoretically based on providing transport corridors has long been made illegitimate by use of public taxpayer funds to create toll roads operated for profit . OSY ! Regardless it is road user levies that keep wheels turning. Best efficiency is rail ! “Most” fuel tax simply goes into consolidated revenue, wherever it actually gets spent is anyone’s guess, most would agree that not enough is actually spent on actual roads. As ice decline and ev increase (or hydrogen, fairy dust, moon rocks etc) obviously money will be required from someone, somewhere to maintain road infrastructure. Im of the opinion that over the next 20 yrs ice are going to be taxed to the point of oblivion, people want and need to breathe clean air. At that point, will ev or other options be seen as cash cows to be harvested… likely yes, or we can walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, HighPriority said: “Most” fuel tax simply goes into consolidated revenue, wherever it actually gets spent is anyone’s guess, most would agree that not enough is actually spent on actual roads. As ice decline and ev increase (or hydrogen, fairy dust, moon rocks etc) obviously money will be required from someone, somewhere to maintain road infrastructure. Im of the opinion that over the next 20 yrs ice are going to be taxed to the point of oblivion, people want and need to breathe clean air. At that point, will ev or other options be seen as cash cows to be harvested… likely yes, or we can walk. Take it to the extreme then ...Will we be allowed outside ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPriority Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, 0ffshore360 said: Take it to the extreme then ...Will we be allowed outside ? Of course we will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ffshore360 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, HighPriority said: Of course we will I feel...reassured ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UWEB Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: Real cars make vroom vroom, every toddler knows that! 😉 What a nonsenses. Just stay beside a high-class ICE Car, hardly to hear the Engine running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 43 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said: Does the typical owner of an ev require 100 kph in seconds in urban streets? This would be the only reason why I would buy one. Would love a Lucid Sapphire, sadly my pockets are not deep enough . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 10 minutes ago, UWEB said: What a nonsenses. Just stay beside a high-class ICE Car, hardly to hear the Engine running. Thanks for sharing your superior knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 The anti-EV amongst us are constantly arguing… This could happen or that could happen or this will happen and that will happen…. The reality is nothing has happened and nothing probably will. All the doom and gloom is nothing more than fantastic imagination. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, 0ffshore360 said: Or are well funded lobby groups countering competition with propaganda and bureaucratic obstruction? Perhaps not dis-similar to initial resistance to Japan then Korea then Taiwan then Chinese whatevers? Looks like BYD has a service problem in Thailand 🇹🇭. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 24 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Looks like BYD has a service problem in Thailand 🇹🇭. I think the majority of parts for EV's are supplied from China There will be a EV supply chain park opening at the end of this year In current terms of economy, jobs supply chain ICE is the key provider example toyota hilux built in Thailand as built 90% from locally supported parts https://aseannow.com/topic/1325045-chinese-firms-eye-ev-supply-chain-in-thailand’s-smart-park/#comment-18846391 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gweiloman Posted April 23 Popular Post Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, VocalNeal said: The title of the thread is "Reality". EV's are one-trick ponies. 0 to whatever acceleration is their only trick. Or the only trick people keep harping on about. GWM Ora is quicker away from the lights but slower to 100kph/60 than a Suzuki Celerio. You’ve obviously never sat in an EV, much less driven one. You should try it sometime, before common here and exposing your ignorance. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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