Danderman123 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 NBC reported that Trump carried his online ranting into Manhattan Criminal Court Tuesday morning, telling reporters as he arrived, “signing a NDA is not a crime.” NBC noted this was an unusual statement for Trump to make, as he previously claimed no awareness of a non-disclosure agreement with Stormy Daniels. Oops 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Source? Google 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Have cleaned the topic up somewhat and tidied up the worst of the personal attacks. Hopefully we can return to more civil conversation now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 On 5/8/2024 at 7:39 AM, Chomper Higgot said: So Daniels gives sworn testimony on the sexual encounter that Defendant Trump denied took place and that the Prosecution allege was the facts that the Defendant conspired to hide from voters. The Defense are given the opportunity to cross examine and of course Defendant Trump can himself take the stand. What the Defense choose to do is put on a performance for their client. There's this also... Davis urged Cohen to "own his lying" and his "sins" while answering questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Haven't heard from the former CIA case worker for a while. I wonder if his former employer has anything to do with his silence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 We still don't know the judge's jury instructions, but some possible jury decisions are: Convict on all felony charges Convict on all charges, as misdemeanors Convict on one felony or misdemeanor Acquit No decision IMHO, it's possible that conviction on just one charge is very possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, Danderman123 said: We still don't know the judge's jury instructions, but some possible jury decisions are: Convict on all felony charges Convict on all charges, as misdemeanors Convict on one felony or misdemeanor Acquit No decision IMHO, it's possible that conviction on just one charge is very possible. I think the judges jury instructions will be number one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, Danderman123 said: We still don't know the judge's jury instructions, but some possible jury decisions are: Convict on all felony charges Convict on all charges, as misdemeanors Convict on one felony or misdemeanor Acquit No decision IMHO, it's possible that conviction on just one charge is very possible. As long as you have entered the realm of the possible: Motion for Directed Verdict/Dismissal At the conclusion of the plaintiff's or government's evidence, the lawyer will announce that the plaintiff or government rests. Then, when the jury leaves the courtroom, the defendant's lawyer in a civil case has the option of making a motion for a directed verdict, arguing that his or her client's liability has not been proven by a preponderance of the evidence. In a criminal trial, the defendant's lawyer can ask for a motion to dismiss the charges, arguing that the government has failed to prove its case. In effect, in both kinds of cases, the lawyer asks the judge to direct a verdict for the defendant. The judge will either grant or deny the motion. If it is granted, the case is over and the defendant wins. If the motion is denied, as it usually is, the defense is given the opportunity to present its evidence. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_related_education_network/how_courts_work/motiondismiss/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yellowtail said: I think the judges jury instructions will be number one. If so, that could the basis for an appeal. If I were a juror in this case, I would consider a misdemeanor conviction, or conviction on a single charge, if allowed by the judge. Edited May 16 by Danderman123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: If so, that could the basis for an appeal. If I were a juror in this case, I would consider a misdemeanor conviction, or conviction on a single charge, if allowed by the judge. An appeal is meaningless, it would be after the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, Yellowtail said: An appeal is meaningless, it would be after the election. A conviction is meaningless, any prison sentence would be appealed for the rest of Trump's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: A conviction is meaningless, any prison sentence would be appealed for the rest of Trump's life. The only thing the judge, the prosecutor and the DOJ care about is the election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: The only thing the judge, the prosecutor and the DOJ care about is the election. They all know that Trump can appeal the case has indefinitely. DOJ is not involved in the case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: They all know that Trump can appeal the case has indefinitely. Only fools believe Trump (or anyone) can appeal indefinitely. 26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: DOJ is not involved in the case. Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Trump's defense is trying to confuse jurors about the facts of the case. The Prosecution will easily eliminate any remaining doubt that the jurors may have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Reportedly, the Secret Service and NY City officials have conferred over procedures should Trump be sentenced to jail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Observers in the courtroom claim that one juror is acting strangely, and may be a candidate for a holdout juror. Also - and this is new - the National Enquirer payment to Karen McDougal was an illegal campaign contribution, yet another underlying crime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 The Defense's closing argument was weak and easily rebutted by the Prosecution. The prosecutor handling the close is a pro, and knows what he is doing. Even though it's a long close, the jury seems to be hanging in there. The jury will probably deliberate through Friday, and there is a small chance of a single holdout juror. Otherwise, Trump will be convicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Joshua Steinglass is now describing evidence from February 2018, and he is competing not only with the defense but with jurors' flagging attention spans as the clock moves toward 6:30. One juror just rubbed his eyes, another’s are heavily lidded. Four jurors in the back row are still paying close attention, but the signs of fatigue are definitely becoming more visible. Some are still looking at Steinglass, but several are fidgeting, tilting their heads and glancing around, signs that a jury is being pushed to its limit. Before they (jury) returned, the judge told the prosecutor that he needed to wrap up — at least for the day — by 8 p.m. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/28/nyregion/trump-trial-closing-arguments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) The Biden campaign announced a press conference at the courthouse today. Rather than Biden or Harris speaking, they sent Robert DeNiro. Edited May 28 by Danderman123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 And it's over for the night. Jury deliberations tomorrow, court starts at 10 am EDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, Danderman123 said: Even though it's a long close, the jury seems to be hanging in there. That's OK. Even though you and the NY Times reporters were in the same courtroom, you still can see it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: The Biden campaign announced a press conference at the courthouse today. Rather than Biden or Harris speaking, they sent Robert DeNiro. De Niro spoke, I support him. The actor Robert De Niro, speaking on behalf of the Biden campaign outside the Manhattan courthouse where Trump’s trial is being held, declared in an off-script moment that Trump should go to jail. Edited May 29 by earlinclaifornia 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 The closing argument from Steinglass, which lasted more than five hours, somewhat undermines the idea this is a simple case. It’s a simple story, but not a simple legal case. Maggie Haberman NY Times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) 54 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said: De Niro spoke, I support him. The actor Robert De Niro, speaking on behalf of the Biden campaign outside the Manhattan courthouse where Trump’s trial is being held, declared in an off-script moment that Trump should go to jail. That's a "deplorables" moment. Holding a campaign rally outside the court proves to million of voters that it's a political prosecution. Edit: I align myself more with Dennis Quaid than with De Niro when it comes to Trump: “He may be an a-hole, but he’s my a-hole!” He sounds like a sane person, unlike De Niro who sounds like he's got a bad case of TDS. https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/28/dennis-quaid-donald-trump-piers-morgan-uncensored-vote-<deleted>-politics/ Edited May 29 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted May 29 Popular Post Share Posted May 29 44 minutes ago, impulse said: That's a "deplorables" moment. Holding a campaign rally outside the court proves to million of voters that it's a political prosecution. And Donald Trump campaigning every trial day inside the court room foyer? Is that also a "deplorables" moment? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) Democrats in full blown freak out! https://www.foxnews.com/video/6353842538112 Edited May 29 by G_Money 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) 56 minutes ago, LosLobo said: And Donald Trump campaigning every trial day inside the court room foyer? Is that also a "deplorables" moment? Is he being accused of persecuting his political opponent? Millions of voters are snapping to the fact that this is just a politically driven prosecution. Now they have one more data point, proving it is political. Just like the "deplorables" moment for Hillary, it probably feels good to see De Niro out there ragging on The Donald. But just like the deplorables fiasco, this is going to have unintended consequences. The best move for Team Biden would have been to stay as far away from the courthouse as they could, to convey the illusion that they had nothing to do with prosecuting a crime. Instead, they proved it's about politics. Political idiots. Like Hillary. Edited May 29 by impulse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 8 minutes ago, impulse said: Is he being accused of persecuting his political opponent? Millions of voters are snapping to the fact that this is just a politically driven prosecution. Now they have one more data point, proving it is political. Just like the "deplorables" moment for Hillary, it probably feels good to see De Niro out there ragging on The Donald. But just like the deplorables fiasco, this is going to have unintended consequences. The best move for Team Biden would have been to stay as far away from the courthouse as they could, to convey the illusion that they had nothing to do with prosecuting a crime. Instead, they proved it's about politics. Political idiots. Like Hillary. Biden is nowhere near the court. The same cannot be said of Trump, though he did spend a lot of other people’s money to try to avoid being required to be present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 3 hours ago, impulse said: That's a "deplorables" moment. Holding a campaign rally outside the court proves to million of voters that it's a political prosecution. Edit: I align myself more with Dennis Quaid than with De Niro when it comes to Trump: “He may be an a-hole, but he’s my a-hole!” He sounds like a sane person, unlike De Niro who sounds like he's got a bad case of TDS. https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/28/dennis-quaid-donald-trump-piers-morgan-uncensored-vote-<deleted>-politics/ De Niro is just a silly old man trying to stay relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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